Can we stop pretending Kamala is a power player now?

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Probably still would given that Hillary was torn apart here.

Hilary is a special case. She was subject to a series of coordinated attacks on multiple platforms by the Russians. US conservatives fed into those attacks and piled on. Seeing as there's a loud minority of conservatives in TLR, it's not surprising that she received a lot of criticism here.

I don't rock with Hilary but the above is 100% true.
 
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Kamala's problem on a national level has always been she doesn't have a base of supporters to defend her. Progressives don't fukk with her and think she's not progressive enough, moderates don't really care about her, the right obviously hates her, and black people don't trust her and think she panders to black people to get ahead.
All true and valid.
 

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Attack people who tried to get Trump out of office and then big-up Mike Pence brehs. :francis:

Mike Pence was incompetent as fukk in Indiana, he probably wasn't even going to win reelection for governor before resigning to be Trump's VP. The only reason Trump picked him was because he was a non-swearing religious guy who made the "But Trump is such a foulmouth and doesn't go to church!" religious conservatives happy....and he had no political future so he didn't mind being connected to trump unlike some people who turned Trump down.
Stop being irrational or emotional.

We are saying the same thing.

Pence satisfied (for the gop) the reasons he was selected while

Kamala continues to fail on ALL the reasons
 

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I wouldn't have but I am still disappointed with what we got.

Trump was so bad everyone lowered their standards.

A lot of us spent two years fighting for someone better. If you were looking at HL in 2019/2020 most of us were shytting on Biden and Kamala on the regular when they were competing in the primaries. Unfortunately South Carolina voters decided to go with Biden and a lot of old heads and others followed their lead, so this is the shyt we're stuck with. It blows my mind that so many older and Black voters really felt that Biden was the best thing for the country but it is what it is. The only way to change that is to convince those same voters to take a more progressive route the next time up.
 

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A lot of us spent two years fighting for someone better. If you were looking at HL in 2019/2020 most of us were shytting on Biden and Kamala on the regular when they were competing in the primaries. Unfortunately South Carolina voters decided to go with Biden and a lot of old heads and others followed their lead, so this is the shyt we're stuck with. It blows my mind that so many older and Black voters really felt that Biden was the best thing for the country but it is what it is. The only way to change that is to convince those same voters to take a more progressive route the next time up.
I remember, it’s just so disappointing that this is what we have and nothing is being fixed. It just feels like a pause before another worst Republican takes over.
 

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And y'all talking like you would have preferred that..... :patrice:
Both are horrible choices
So no preference.
Trump was a politician for 4 years.
Biden has been writing devilish black people destroying policy for decades
I would have rather a real choice... a good candidate
 

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Both are horrible choices
So no preference.
Trump was a politician for 4 years.
Biden has been writing devilish black people destroying policy for decades
I would have rather a real choice... a good candidate
If you thought or still think there was no difference between what Biden and Trump would do in office you're a fukking clown.

What were you doing to fight for a good candidate? Who were you promoting on here or elsewhere? Were you telling Black voters in South Carolina to make a better choice?
 

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A lot of us spent two years fighting for someone better. If you were looking at HL in 2019/2020 most of us were shytting on Biden and Kamala on the regular when they were competing in the primaries. Unfortunately South Carolina voters decided to go with Biden and a lot of old heads and others followed their lead, so this is the shyt we're stuck with. It blows my mind that so many older and Black voters really felt that Biden was the best thing for the country but it is what it is. The only way to change that is to convince those same voters to take a more progressive route the next time up.
Looking back at it, seems the voters should get more blame. So many complain about women not having a fair chance, and yet female voters go with the old white guy over any woman in a political race. Seems all the talk is for nothing.
 

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Hilary is a special case. She was subject to a series of coordinated attacks on multiple platforms by the Russians. US conservatives fed into those attacks and piled on. Seeing as there's a loud minority of conservatives in TLR, it's not surprising that she received a lot of criticism.

I don't rock with Hilary but the above is 100% true.
All true for Hillary, but Kamala's case she didn't have any of those issues and still couldn't make it to Iowa. I really think she has a bad team around her minus symone sanders and I think she was ticked about not going to the G7.
 
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