Can Islam Solve All of Africas Issues?

[Blackking]

really its not religions fault? were gonna act like religion doesnt cause war,racism,sexism,violence,etc.?

no nikka, because religion isn't helping anyone succeed (especially human achievements). for every good deed done by some religious person, there's 20x a religious extremists that will get mad at you and sometimes even verbally attack for no reason just because your not religious.

so basically you think just like the "white man", all black civilizations are here do to influence of another s culture, we have no indigenous civilizations that are considered great.....dumbass.

and i salute them on donating, im dissing the religion not the ideal person. and that's what im getting at we don't need religion to teach us morality, and generosity. they would be better off as atheist.

You say they would be better off as atheist.... I say they are better off with doing whatever they see fit.

You don't understand how poverty, international politics, culture, and tribalism affect war racism sexism rape and violence.....so instead of learning about all that- you u put all the blame on anything you don't like.

You're confused... you say for every religious person who does a good deed there are 20 extremists that are attacking. .. That's ignorant and untrue. The vast majority of religious people are just normal people. some are great people. Nearly all great black people on Earth have been religious - can you deny that? .... Not that they were great because of religion--it's just that obviously religion didn't hold them back The religious extremist are less than 1% of religious people so clearly - --- you are spitting ignorance as usual.

And I never said what u said about black civilizations. I said that they weren't weak like you all make them out to be.. they were great before all these other groups came in.... But weren't connected and were influenced.. but they also influenced others. I pointed out that many of the black kingdoms that advance throughout the land and even into Europe were Islam. That's a fact... what's wrong with acknowledging that? You're gonna diss these great African empires like Mali, Moors, and the rest just because them nikkas were practicing Islam?? That's what I mean about divisions and ignorance.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

so let me guess your religion is the only "true" one right? all other religions are wrong and thier gods are fake huh? outta here dumb ass nikka, id rather be than anyday .

FYI @tmonster is a troll...

 

[tstone]

...We should probably make a few phone calls

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...documents_criminalization_discrimination.html

Lol, You use the most Islamophobia website on the internet to discuss islam, You might as well use st0rmfr0nt.org to do research on the civil rights movement. The above sections of the of the quran has nothing to due with apostates. The above verse has to do with times of war and aggressors and people signing war treaties during the time of prophet Muhammad which the next verse mention which you have not quoted.

Qur'an (4:90) Therefore, if they stay aloof and do not fight you, or if they make overtures of peace, then Allah has given you no reason to commit aggression against them.

aloof: distant, unsympathetic, or supercilious in manner, attitude, or feeling

aggression: the practice of making assaults or attacks; offensive action in general.

So the quran is saying that if someone is neutral toward you at any time or during war, they do not have to be your allies, you have no right to be aggressive towards them and leave them alone

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

You say they would be better off as atheist.... I say they are better off with doing whatever they see fit.

You don't understand how poverty, international politics, culture, and tribalism affect war racism sexism rape and violence.....so instead of learning about all that- you u put all the blame on anything you don't like.

You're confused... you say for every religious person who does a good deed there are 20 extremists that are attacking. .. That's ignorant and untrue. The vast majority of religious people are just normal people. some are great people. Nearly all great black people on Earth have been religious - can you deny that? .... Not that they were great because of religion--it's just that obviously religion didn't hold them back The religious extremist are less than 1% of religious people so clearly - --- you are spitting ignorance as usual.

And I never said what u said about black civilizations. I said that they weren't weak like you all make them out to be.. they were great before all these other groups came in.... But weren't connected and were influenced.. but they also influenced others. I pointed out that many of the black kingdoms that advance throughout the land and even into Europe were Islam. That's a fact... what's wrong with acknowledging that? You're gonna diss these great African empires like Mali, Moors, and the rest just because them nikkas were practicing Islam?? That's what I mean about divisions and ignorance.

im not dissing those great african civilizatiins, hell you basically are by saying that they are great civilizations due to influence fron the arab religion/world. i call bs im done arguing with you and that dumbass troll, soon youll realize religion isnt shyt but myths. if not i feel bad for you...

 

[tmonster]

Lol, You use the most Islamophobia website on the internet to discuss islam, Yo might as well use st0rmfr0nt.org to do research on the civil rights movement. The above sections of the of the quran has nothing to due with apostates. The above verse has to do with times of war and aggressors and people saying war treaties during the time of prophet Muhammad which the next verse mention which you have not quoted.

Qur'an (4:90) Therefore, if they stay aloof and do not fight you, or if they make overtures of peace, then Allah has given you no reason to commit aggression against them.

aloof: distant, unsympathetic, or supercilious in manner, attitude, or feeling

aggression: the practice of making assaults or attacks; offensive action in general.

So the quran is saying that if someone is neutral toward you at any time or during war, they do not have to be your allies, you have no right to be aggressive towards them and leave them alone

so they are lying? what about the other verses? they are lying about those too?
what about that dude who, for being an atheist, is facing the death penalty in Dubai?

 

[tmonster]

FYI @tmonster is a troll...

you're a troll

 

[tstone]

I see you really like Mansa Musa. I do too. In fact, I wish there was more literature on this great African man who happened to be Muslim. He is an example of someone who used Islam as a tool and did not let it use him. So many stories of his pilgrimmage. One being where he wanted to re-do the Well of Zamzam, but the imams of the time in Mecca wouldn't let him for fear of beign sacrilegious. Or that he gave so much gold away that he literally plummeted the Egyptian economy. Or that one Arab journalist/historian of the time described Mansa with "He is Africa. There is no other."

My favorite story being where the Arab Islamic leaders wanted to make him a Caliph. Part of the ceremony was for him to kiss their feet, and he said that he would only kiss their feet if they bowed before him and kissed his as well. Nobody's feet got kissed that day. I really wish to learn more about this man...too bad there is so little out there. At the time, he was considered to be the richest man in the world if I'm not mistaken.

I would also like to learn more about Bilal. Funny how so many black muslims know so much about Muhammad yet so little about his black compatriate that gave so much to it. Without Bilal, there would be no Islam since Muhammad would've probably been persecuted and killed in his home country.

Let me ask you, would you be opposed to the prayers in your mosque being translated from Arabic to the native tongue of the Nigerians who run the mosque? Or must they stay in Arabic for them to be proper?

Peace

Good question, I would prefer for the prayer to only be said in arabic. I will give you two reasons why.

1. In Islam it is a requirement to go an worship at the mosque as much as possible especially on Fridays. We recite the words in Arabic, but we understand what they actually mean. If I find myself in predominately spanish area and wanted to pray at a predominately spanish mosque. I would not be able to understand the prayer. Also if a Chinese muslim came from overseas and wanted to pray at a mosque that was predominately Pakistani and that prayed in urdu, he would be out of luck. If the Nigerian mosque prayed in there native language, I won't be able to go there, even though it convenient for me. The prayer is always in arabic, so that it does not matter what corner of the world the muslim is from, they can always pray in congregation at the mosque. It promotes brotherhood. Islam is a universal religion and one language had to be chosen, and it so happen to be Arabic.

2. When words our translated into different languages, over time they get different meaning and interpretations. We have all these islam critics out hear quoting a section of the quran that was translated into English by who knows and do not understand a word of arabic. Which is the original text.

 

[mcdivit85]

Good question, I would prefer for the prayer to only be said in arabic. I will give you two reasons why.

1. In Islam it is a requirement to go an worship at the mosque as much as possible especially on Fridays. We recite the words in Arabic, but we understand what they actually mean. If I find myself in predominately spanish area and wanted to pray at a predominately spanish mosque. I would not be able to understand the prayer. Also if a Chinese muslim came from overseas and wanted to pray at a mosque that was predominately Pakistani and that prayed in urdu, he would be out of luck. If the Nigerian mosque prayed in there native language, I won't be able to go there, even though it convenient for me. The prayer is always in arabic, so that it does not matter what corner of the world the muslim is from, they can always pray in congregation at the mosque. It promotes brotherhood. Islam is a universal religion and one language had to be chosen, and it so happen to be Arabic.

2. When words our translated into different languages, over time they get different meaning and interpretations. We have all these islam critics out hear quoting a section of the quran that was translated into English by who knows and do not understand a word of arabic. Which is the original text.

Gotcha...makes sense in terms of being understood across various peoples.

Peace

 

[emoney]

Islam has been in West Africa, since the 7th Century, It is nothing foreign about it. Way before Islam was in Pakistan, India or Turkey. Way before blacks were in the American south, red-necks in Louisiana, or Hispanics in Latin America. It is a part of the culture in west Africa. Islam was introduced by sufi spiritual movements and merchants. Not Arab armies. There has never been an Arabic colony or official language in west Africa, look it up.

It doesn't matter how long it's been in Africa, if it came from somewhere else and didn't originate on the continent it is still foreign.

 

[Blackking]

im not dissing those great african civilizatiins, hell you basically are by saying that they are great civilizations due to influence fron the arab religion/world. i call bs im done arguing with you and that dumbass troll, soon youll realize religion isnt shyt but myths. if not i feel bad for you...

if u feel bad for me then pray for me and come help me shovel my driveway.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Dude, when did I make a post putting Ancient Egypt on a pedestal? By mentioning it needing to be counted as an African accomplishment? By saying that even if their culture was not the exact same their Nubian counterparts that it was still African in nature? Playa, you seem caught in your feelings.

And what religion are you referring to? I never referred to an Ancient Egyption religion. The poster and I were talking about accomplishments. He seems to believes African accomplishment is tied to religion where I feel African accomplishment is tied to African people irregardless of what religion they are or are not part of. I take issue with the idea that Africans NEED a relgion, especially a religion born in the mind of foreigners, in order to accomplish great things. To believe that says a lot about the person and how they view the capabilities of the African.

And you want to bring up xenophobia against an ancient African civilization yet seem to praise the inclusiveness of Islam? I'm not even going to rehash points from some of my earlier posts. Yea you right....Islam has a long history of being socially inclusive of everyone.

I always find it funny how people can't believe in the ideal of something while still calling out the bad application of it.

Peace

You're the one who started bringing up Egypt as if that's somehow relevant to the conversation. It isn't.

But lets indulge the bolded for a second...the most developed religion that Africa has ever produced (ancient egyptian) also just so happens to correspond to its greatest civilization

The rest of the continent who didn't really have belief systems that were as advanced, stayed in a regressed state for the most part. The ones who made moves did so after coming into contact with *gasp* Islam. Advanced and complex belief systems have historically been paired with advanced cultures. You can believe that atheism is more compatible with Africa if they want to advance, and you have the right to that opinion, but don't act like what I'm saying has no merit. Not sure what you're whining about.

and when Islam started in Arabia, and there are 1 billion muslims on the planet today - the majority of whom AREN'T ARAB....yeah, I'd say it's pretty socially inclusive....it's obviously more inclusive than what the Egyptians or any other group of Africans were working with.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

It doesn't matter how long it's been in Africa, if it came from somewhere else and didn't originate on the continent it is still foreign.

Why do you think so many Africans willingly accepted Islam? Just curious.

 

[88m3]

Why do you think so many Africans willingly accepted Islam? Just curious.

any unbiased source material on that?

 

[Blackking]

any unbiased source material on that?

it was a question, i think.... maybe you have an opinion on it because I'm curious as well.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

any unbiased source material on that?

Source material on what? You question the fact that many Africans did willingly accept Islam?