Can Islam Solve All of Africas Issues?

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All 3 religions should be integrated.
Its 2014 and they all 3 need to come together to finally bring a middle norm of how we should be as humans.
Each book from each religion shouldnt be taken as fact, but combined and used as a stepping stone to understand our purpose on this earth as Humans.
Not everything is correct in those books, but when you understand its cryptic nature and have the passion to learn about a higher being thats POSSIBLY there, I think it can help open eyes.

But that will never happen and the world is doomed.
 

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i'd prefer if the continent didn't rely on religion to unify. Kenyatta and Nkrumah had in mind the Organization of African Nations to be used as a way to recover from colonization and economic growth, and I think that would be a better tool to unify Africa. Not religion.

Islam (starting in the 7th century) and Christianity (about 100 years after christ's death/at the time of colonization) are both religions brought into the continent and in the beginning forced down the throats of the native africans. If we Africans can go back to the place where we practiced our traditional faiths (polytheism or worshiping the earth's elements, the sun, stars, etc.), maybe we can find common ground.


...or each nation can continue to govern themselves however the fukk they feel like.
 

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Seems like a shaky argument, I just wondered if you had some hard numbers?



It was a statement, the way I read it. Islam was spread with a sword. I won't say Africans or anyone for that matter didn't "willingly" convert, I just think its a flimsy argument.
well...

look at the hundreds of thousands of African americans who convert and are attracted to it. Look at the influence of hip hop. Look at some of the ancient laws and how similar they were to Islam law.. when Islamic was closer to african than it was old Arab law.

Regardless of all that... just like anything else, people, kingdoms, and groups do shyt for alternative reasons.
 

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well...

look at the hundreds of thousands of African americans who convert and are attracted to it. Look at the influence of hip hop. Look at some of the ancient laws and how similar they were to Islam law.. when Islamic was closer to african than it was old Arab law.

Regardless of all that... just like anything else, people, kingdoms, and groups do shyt for alternative reasons.

You're going to compare the calm and complacent United States to the chaotic history of North Africa?
5% =/ Islam
Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity
 

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You're going to compare the calm and complacent United States to the chaotic history of North Africa?
5% =/ Islam
Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity

not comparing locations... or eras...

saying idk the answer, but upon observation you can see that it is appealing to some groups/cultures.
 

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You're going to compare the calm and complacent United States to the chaotic history of North Africa?
5% =/ Islam
Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity

Sometimes i think Islam isnt based on Christianity, but just has some info the bible also contains.
 

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To be frank, I just think you're having a hard time admitting that the tenacity of Islamic expansion had a part in creating the underdeveloped, chaotic Africa of today. That doesn't make them weak, would you say Africans are weak due to slavery or colonialism too? I wouldn't. The things that happened were reality, old institutions and ways of life had to be eliminated in order for Arab/Muslim expansion to succeed. Does that or does that not make them culpable for some of the destruction done in Africa?

Two, you completely misunderstood when I said "African way". Simply put, all the things were carried out in an African way as in developed and practiced IN the continent of Africa. No that doesn't mean its all one uniform style, but in all instances these customs, codes of conduct, what have you, were African whether from the East, West, Central, North, or South. Say for instance, tribes of the Niger delta united and created Nigeria without Europeans, then on the backs of their tribal gods went all the way to Arabia and had them submit to African customs and religions. Whether or not people prosper under these hypothetical conquerors is one thing, but in all instances those Arabs would of had to give up aspects of their culture the conqueror don't like or be annihilated. This is true for any people, call a spade a spade breh Islam did this just like Europeans did this, hell just like African tribes did to one another...only difference between those Africans and Euros/Arabs is those Africans were not influenced by outside forces.

Blame is a strong word, I would say I don't absolve or let Islam off the hook like we often do. Plus lets just stop right there, Islam came to Africa because Bilal suggested to Muhammad to send some of the early Muslims to Ethiopia to receive asylum. Thanks to the Christian Negus(Emperor) Armah of Axum they weren't given up to the pre-Islamic Arabs and the religion made its way down the African East Coast from there. Muhammad even went so far as to advise Muslims not to make war with Christian Ethiopia for giving the Muslim pilgrims refuge in Al Nagash(a town in northern Ethiopia) but of course the insatiable thirst for conquest is too much and in the end Islam isolated Ethiopia and helped to make it the underdeveloped nation it is today much like it did to much of Africa, Muslims all but wiped out the old Nubian Christian culture and devastated the Egyptian Copt community. Furthermore, when Christian nations like Ethiopia barred trading slaves that were non-pagan the slave trade in East Africa became 100% Muslim dominated, but let me stop I don't want to ruin your benevolent Muslim narrative.

Also, I take great issue with you suggesting that somehow Africa had no golden age prior to the Moors or the Islamic age which is unequivocally false. As if a HUGE portion of the knowledge Arabs boasted didn't come from African works. It's funny, you accused me of making Africans look weak for acknowledging how savagely and relentlessly they were attacked and yet you believe Islam somehow was the only thing to give these Africans a golden age. What's even more funny is even the moments in which you can credit the Islamic age, you still have jihadists that were bent on destroying those things. Timbuktu was destroyed not only by the Portuguese by making the desert routes irrelevant, but by the non-stop invasions of non-African peoples. Songhai fell to Morrocans with guns. The destruction of Africa was a collaborated effort whether you care to admit it or not. That doesn't mean we can't also acknowledge the good things that came from the Islamic ages, just call a spade a spade.

As for the Ghana Empire:




http://www.mrdowling.com/609-testr.htm
http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/the-ghana-empire <----Great timeline which also discusses how the Islamic invasion was pivitol in the decline of the Ghana Empire.

Lastly, that's not attributable to my argument. First off, Africa was never universally united to begin with so you can't blame Islam for that. But Islam added something new to be divided by, Islam went through great lengths to have the riches of Africa much like Europe did. This doesn't mean there weren't times of mutual cooperation because the Islamic empire couldn't of succeeded had that not been so. However Muslims took slaves at a high rate which helped to depopulate and ways of life and community were altered by Islam. Many empires suffered and ultimately yes whether you want to admit it or not again, Islam IS culpable in these things.



Who said that? :wtf:



I don't think it could. :yeshrug:

no surprise a post like this didnt get one dap, they cant handle the truth brother

edit- by they i mean the general public, not muslims
 

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To be frank, I just think you're having a hard time admitting that the tenacity of Islamic expansion had a part in creating the underdeveloped, chaotic Africa of today. That doesn't make them weak, would you say Africans are weak due to slavery or colonialism too? I wouldn't. The things that happened were reality, old institutions and ways of life had to be eliminated in order for Arab/Muslim expansion to succeed. Does that or does that not make them culpable for some of the destruction done in Africa?

Two, you completely misunderstood when I said "African way". Simply put, all the things were carried out in an African way as in developed and practiced IN the continent of Africa. No that doesn't mean its all one uniform style, but in all instances these customs, codes of conduct, what have you, were African whether from the East, West, Central, North, or South. Say for instance, tribes of the Niger delta united and created Nigeria without Europeans, then on the backs of their tribal gods went all the way to Arabia and had them submit to African customs and religions. Whether or not people prosper under these hypothetical conquerors is one thing, but in all instances those Arabs would of had to give up aspects of their culture the conqueror don't like or be annihilated. This is true for any people, call a spade a spade breh Islam did this just like Europeans did this, hell just like African tribes did to one another...only difference between those Africans and Euros/Arabs is those Africans were not influenced by outside forces.

Blame is a strong word, I would say I don't absolve or let Islam off the hook like we often do. Plus lets just stop right there, Islam came to Africa because Bilal suggested to Muhammad to send some of the early Muslims to Ethiopia to receive asylum. Thanks to the Christian Negus(Emperor) Armah of Axum they weren't given up to the pre-Islamic Arabs and the religion made its way down the African East Coast from there. Muhammad even went so far as to advise Muslims not to make war with Christian Ethiopia for giving the Muslim pilgrims refuge in Al Nagash(a town in northern Ethiopia) but of course the insatiable thirst for conquest is too much and in the end Islam isolated Ethiopia and helped to make it the underdeveloped nation it is today much like it did to much of Africa, Muslims all but wiped out the old Nubian Christian culture and devastated the Egyptian Copt community. Furthermore, when Christian nations like Ethiopia barred trading slaves that were non-pagan the slave trade in East Africa became 100% Muslim dominated, but let me stop I don't want to ruin your benevolent Muslim narrative.

Also, I take great issue with you suggesting that somehow Africa had no golden age prior to the Moors or the Islamic age which is unequivocally false. As if a HUGE portion of the knowledge Arabs boasted didn't come from African works. It's funny, you accused me of making Africans look weak for acknowledging how savagely and relentlessly they were attacked and yet you believe Islam somehow was the only thing to give these Africans a golden age. What's even more funny is even the moments in which you can credit the Islamic age, you still have jihadists that were bent on destroying those things. Timbuktu was destroyed not only by the Portuguese by making the desert routes irrelevant, but by the non-stop invasions of non-African peoples. Songhai fell to Morrocans with guns. The destruction of Africa was a collaborated effort whether you care to admit it or not. That doesn't mean we can't also acknowledge the good things that came from the Islamic ages, just call a spade a spade.

As for the Ghana Empire:




http://www.mrdowling.com/609-testr.htm
http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/the-ghana-empire <----Great timeline which also discusses how the Islamic invasion was pivitol in the decline of the Ghana Empire.

Lastly, that's not attributable to my argument. First off, Africa was never universally united to begin with so you can't blame Islam for that. But Islam added something new to be divided by, Islam went through great lengths to have the riches of Africa much like Europe did. This doesn't mean there weren't times of mutual cooperation because the Islamic empire couldn't of succeeded had that not been so. However Muslims took slaves at a high rate which helped to depopulate and ways of life and community were altered by Islam. Many empires suffered and ultimately yes whether you want to admit it or not again, Islam IS culpable in these things.



Who said that? :wtf:



I don't think it could. :yeshrug:
how the fukk did i miss this?...:wtf:

this shoud've ended it...
 

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if Africans can change their beliefs ,their eyes & mind might open up
 

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An African Muslim is a sellout and an uncle Tom of the highest order
 

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First off, I can tell none of you actually read books.... but let just pretend that you do... you would know that We would know Almost nothing of the Great Ghanian empire if it were not for............ The boogyman, lol aka Islam. The nikkas that converted wrote about the shyt and that is what we base nearly ALL of our info and historical research on.
2) the Soninke Africans made it into a real place... and they didn't do it with candy. They did it by killing women children and men.. and basically going fukking hamm on local AFricans.
3) the King or ancient Ghana' was ruler and controlled everything... one reason Islam slid in the culture of ghana, sengal area, niger... is because the tenents and rules weren't so much different that the shyt the Ghana leaders were kicking. Plus trade. For example... I don't have debt.. the way I pray, the way I do business, the way i live right now in 2014.. is Islamic... and not much different than.... ancient Ghana... Main crimes were debt n shyt.... fill in the blanks side by side and u will see that they valued all the same shyt Any Way, retard do some research.
4)Islam did change some things.. but not the rules just the way to go about it.... for example.. instead of listening to a snake or drinking poison to see if someone is innocent.. There were set ups with judges and witnesses... I guess you feel that's so horrible.
5) It became great because of its wealth at first. so much gold that the animals had gold chains n shyt. BUT then became a Super nation and the shyt we are proud of because of it's trade with the arabs. That trade had them on super Army, Super Trade, Super influence mode... at levels they had not reached yet. They were better off than the Arabs.
6) Mali and( other groups before them )is what weakened them. but that's how the world works.. you have internal conflicts then the neighbors ALL take shots at you. The African groups that attacked them attacked for trade, money, territory, and power reasons---- they just so happened to be Islamic blacks.
7) they were destroyed but went into become part of other groups that we hype up...... that so happen to be.............. Muslim africans that united to do great things.


So you say :Africa was never universally united to begin with so you can't blame Islam for that. But Islam added something new to be divided by.... ummm how that does that make sense. IF they were not united.. then how did Islam add something new to divide by?. What did Islam divide if there was no unity?? Also, Islam is a religion not a person or thing... so it didn't go through "great lengths" to do anything. You really need to read about politics and conflicts in world history. Plus you don't know why some areas had low populations and why some areas had higher populations pre and post Islam in Africa... it didn't have to deal with slavery or trade. It dealt with rivers and resources.

and through none of this babbling have you demonstrated why "islam" is needed.
 

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...and a black christian is what? :usure:

Cause you know damn well it makes no sense for Nigeria to be as "Catholic" as it is...:ufdup:
The most peaceful countries in Africa tend to be more christian or traditional ..think about that for a second.

It means Islam is a cancer were ever it shows up.
 
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