Can a "both sider" please tell me how Kamala Harris' plan to expand refundable tax credits isn't tangibles?

[RickyDiBiase]

Because it would step on the toes of other lineages that they simply can't touch. Ie jews, native Americans etc.

I think ya'll underestimate how much white people just see us all as black breh. No "dealinating" or whatever is gonna mean shyt.

You remember the scene in Rosewood where the black masons declared their allegiances and they still got killed?

Same shyt

 

[Marc Spector]

Because it would step on the toes of other lineages that they simply can't touch. Ie jews, native Americans etc.

I do think you’re on something but just having a very broad stroke of lineage of slavery is not going to get us very far. Specially since the further we get from slavery the less white people truly give a shyt and cannot really be shamed into doing the right thing.

The first thing these courts would do is tie up everything by making the claimant prove that they are from a bloodline that was a part of American chattel slavery and as a direct result of that incident and that incident alone, were not fully able to be an economically viable family in the United States.

Already this will be extremely difficult to prove because the United States has not formally in any way shape or form declared slavery as the main predictor for black life outcomes.

then having to provide all the conclusive paperwork and studies and ledgers and census to demonstrate that your bloodline is mostly made up of people who were directly impacted by slavery would be a nightmare.

Jewish and Native American people are able to have ledgers and records…. and very granular inciting incidents that they can historically point to for their plight. understand that for as justified as it is for Black people to ask for reparations we are ultimately dealing with a government that doesn’t wanna give shyt to anybody and that if you’re gonna come for what is rightfully due to your people….you have to have a very strong case that stands up to scrutiny.

I personally think the best chance African-Americans have any sort of reparations is to find the records of their relatives who went to World War II and never cashed in their G.I. bill or VA home loan… even better if you can find proof that they were never approved by a bank or were denied their benefits by the department of veteran affairs. I also think we stand a good chance if you have proof that your family were victims of race riots and lost a lot of property or were irreparably injured/killed.

Some of y’all look at the reparations and other reconciliatory programs that were laid out for Jewish and Native American people and only look at it from the perspective of “well the plight that happened to them was just as bad if not better than what happened to Black people so we have a chance!”

Instead of looking at it from the lens that these groups had to have decades upon decades of congressional hearings and studies… had to have the cases survive all levels of court had to have sponsorship from congressman and senators… had to pull in lobbying groups to pay for the lawyers and pay off the politicians. And ultimately….get far less than they probably were asking for. They had to beg steal and borrow to get even a little bit of restitution and you look at the case of Native Americans and “all they got” and they still rank extremely low and most quality of life indicators.

 

[bnew]

Spoiler: Not happening on his watch

dems will win the senate if they show up to vote for kamala and other senate seats that are up for grabs.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Because it would step on the toes of other lineages that they simply can't touch. Ie jews, native Americans etc.

Jews don't get anything by lineage in US law.

And why is Native American lineage untouchable? You think conservatives give a flying fukk about their rights? Native Americans are a special case due to tribal semi-sovereignty so it's not even an analogous application of the law, but if the Supreme Court decided that they couldn't bush Black claims to reparations without bushing Native American lineage rights, they would bush the Native Americans in a hot second. Their White rural base would see that as a feature, not a bug.


This has already been tested in US law. When the survivors of the Japanese internment camps got reparations, it only went to the living survivors and not their descendants - everyone who had died in the 40 years between the internment camps and the reparations was just straight out of luck. They didn't get anything for lineage, they only got the reparations if they were actually there.

 

[Tair]

Too many folk are coming with different numbers, no solid timeframe that reparations is for (slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, etc...), whether reparations should be done at the federal or state level, how it will be distributed, etc...
We also need to know the history and why reparations is needed.

All of that needs to be ironed out.

So voting for Kamala is just harm reduction and giving more time to Black folk to push for a solid plan to help propel us forward in this country.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

dems will win the senate if they show up to vote for kamala and other senate seats that are up for grabs.

Goddamn, I thought that was true and now just saw the latest polls have Tester getting his ass kicked in Montana.

 

[Amo Husserl]

This is an outright lie.

In that interview, she said you can never say anything she does "solely benefits black people" because anything that benefits Black people will also benefit their whole community and the country by default, so you can't say that it only benefits black people.


Liars cut off the rest of the clip, and morons believed them.


Which one are you?

Kamala said she would not do something that would solely benefit black people.

@1:40



"Any policy that will benefit black people will benefit all of society... I'm not gone sit here and say I'ma do something that's only going to benefit black people, no. Because whatever benefits that black family will benefit that community and society as a whole and the country, right?"

It's not a black-specific tangible.
Tangibles for ADOS/FBA are centered around reparations.
Kamala said she would not do something that would solely benefit black people.

These don't mean the same in grammar or semantic logic:

she said you can never say anything she does "solely benefits black people" because anything that benefits Black people will also benefit their whole community and the country by default, so you can't say that it only benefits black people.

I'm not gone sit here and say I'ma do something that's only going to benefit black people, no. Because whatever benefits that black family will benefit that community, and society as a whole and the country, right?"

their whole community =/= that community

 

[Houston911]

Black people don't get excited about getting tax returns

Raising the Earned income Tax Credit from $600 to $1500 for people without kids.

$6,000 tax credit for first year of kids life.

$3,600 per child under six years old and $3,000 for older children up from $2,000

And that's not to mention a $50,000 for startups

$25,000 home buyers assistance credits?


How is not giving working class Black folks more money not "tangibles"?

Is this question aimed at black people? If so, stop asking about shyt that everyone is eligible for. No other group does that dumb shyt

the homebuyer credit is nice though

 

[Absolut]

dems will win the senate if they show up to vote for kamala and other senate seats that are up for grabs.

That’s a big if. GOP is a sizable favorite to retain senate control

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@1:40



"Any policy that will benefit black people will benefit all of society... I'm not gone sit here and say I'ma do something that's only going to benefit black people, no. Because whatever benefits that black family will benefit that community and society as a whole and the country, right?"


These don't mean the same in grammar or semantic logic:



their whole community =/= that community

Yes, she's saying that if you give tangibles to Black Americans, it will improve their lives and that will improve that community by default - not just Black people but any people in their community. When someone in your community becomes wealthier, more educated, better health, etc, it improves the whole community, so you can't say that it only benefitted Black people.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Is this question aimed at black people? If so, stop asking about shyt that everyone is eligible for. No other group does that dumb shyt

And that 25k homebuyers assistance credit is misleading. Low key, kids of immigrants might be more likely to benefit from that than black folks

It’s 10k if you’re a first time homebuyer, 25k if you’re a first generation homebuyer

Most black folks grandparents or great grandparents owned a home. that was the norm in those days. The homes were very modest and not worth much, but they’ll were still classified as homeowners

That's not how "first generation homebuyer" is federally defined. It's defined by whether you or your parents have owned a home in the last 3 years. What your grandparents owned is irrelevant, and if you parents used to own but lost it 3+ years ago than they don't count either.

Even by your definition, why would immigrants benefit more? Wouldn't foreigners coming from villages and such have been way more likely to own "very modest" homes in their home countries than Black Americans are?

 

[Absolut]

Ok let’s say we are 13% of the population like they say. Take 2-3% due to mass incarceration that leaves to 10. That’s roughly 40% the remaining are split between renters and buys and buyers is a minuscule amount in comparison to renters so what other shyt do you have to say

some foxy brown affirmative action math

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I personally think the best chance African-Americans have any sort of reparations is to find the records of their relatives who went to World War II and never cashed in their G.I. bill or VA home loan… even better if you can find proof that they were never approved by a bank or were denied their benefits by the department of veteran affairs. I also think we stand a good chance if you have proof that your family were victims of race riots and lost a lot of property or were irreparably injured/killed.

Some of y’all look at the reparations and other reconciliatory programs that were laid out for Jewish and Native American people and only look at it from the perspective of “well the plight that happened to them was just as bad if not better than what happened to Black people so we have a chance!”

Instead of looking at it from the lens that these groups had to have decades upon decades of congressional hearings and studies… had to have the cases survive all levels of court had to have sponsorship from congressman and senators… had to pull in lobbying groups to pay for the lawyers and pay off the politicians. And ultimately….get far less than they probably were asking for. They had to beg steal and borrow to get even a little bit of restitution and you look at the case of Native Americans and “all they got” and they still rank extremely low and most quality of life indicators.

This is part of the conversation that the "ADOS" and "FBA" folk have completely buried, and it could cause real harm.

Reparations for slavery should not be the only reparations. We need to talk about reparations for Jim Crow, reparations for land stolen, reparations for red-lining, etc. There are specific, direct actions that hurt Black families in the last 160 years that need to be addressed. The Black community has actually had WINS on this front - look at the $4 billion in reparations that the Black farmers fought for over the last 25 years. Real farmers got real help due to that fight. That should be a blueprint.

The fight for reparations should take place on EVERY level that life was stolen from the Black community, not just the pre-1865 slavery. Not that the fight for reparations for slavery should be abandoned either.

 

[bnew]

That’s a big if. GOP is a sizable favorite to retain senate control

Spoiler: thread continued

Spoiler: full text

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Remember the thing Republicans did in 2020 where they flooded the zone with absolute junk polls to make it look like Trump was winning?

Yeah, they’re doing that again. This time, one of them even removed Philly from their PA poll.

Polls don’t vote. Stupid red hats don’t vote.



2/2
Can’t beat him?

You been asleep for the last 4 years? Joe Biden is your president. I’m sorry this is happening to you




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[Absolut]

Spoiler: thread continued

Spoiler: full text

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Remember the thing Republicans did in 2020 where they flooded the zone with absolute junk polls to make it look like Trump was winning?

Yeah, they’re doing that again. This time, one of them even removed Philly from their PA poll.

Polls don’t vote. Stupid red hats don’t vote.



2/2
Can’t beat him?

You been asleep for the last 4 years? Joe Biden is your president. I’m sorry this is happening to you




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What’s stopping you from making life changing money betting dem senate control at +275 then?