Can a "both sider" please tell me how Kamala Harris' plan to expand refundable tax credits isn't tangibles?

[Professor Emeritus]

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Remember the thing Republicans did in 2020 where they flooded the zone with absolute junk polls to make it look like Trump was winning?

Yeah, they’re doing that again. This time, one of them even removed Philly from their PA poll.

Polls don’t vote. Stupid red hats don’t vote.



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Can’t beat him?

You been asleep for the last 4 years? Joe Biden is your president. I’m sorry this is happening to you




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But the main 2020 polling errors were in the opposite direction.


"The task force found that polling during the two weeks before the election overstated support for then-Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 3.9 percentage points, which was the largest polling error since 1980 "

Pre-election polls in 2020 had the largest errors in 40 years

Public opinion polls ahead of the 2020 election were the most inaccurate in a generation, according to Josh Clinton, Abby and Jon Winkelried Chair and professor of political science, who recently served as chair of a special task force convened by the American Association for Public Opinion...

news.vanderbilt.edu

 

[Still Benefited]

Since it's purely financial, the Democrats can pass it through reconciliation just like Trump passed his tax cut with only 50 votes. If the only Senator they lose is Manchin (who wouldn't have voted for it anyway) and Sinema gets replaced by a real Democrat, then the Democrats would likely have the 50 votes they need to pass it.






Both sides promise lots of things they can't enact, but this complaint is bizarre in a thread where multiple posters are begging for Democrats to promise Black-only policies, which the Republican Supreme Court has said EXPLICITLY is unconstitutional and can't be enacted.

I don't understand how those posters can understand that Supreme Court ruling and not turn around and say, "Okay, so policies like this are the next best thing that can actually be done now until Democrats get a majority on the Supreme Court."

I dont understand whats so hard about revealing what your black specefic agenda is once we help overturn the Supreme court through religiously voting for Democrats. Would you help pull off a heist before finding out what your cut was? That doesnt sound very intelligent to me. Plus if your supposedly essential to cracking the safe, Does it seem wise that you didnt use your leverage to negotiate a better cut than the getaway driver?



Until I see some plans and agendas,all this "bu bu but if it wasnt for the Supreme Courts" talk is purely projection and wishful thinking from black democrats. Or on the more sinister side,knowingly lying and selling dreams to get people to vote. But only yall can say if deep down you believe Dems would push for black specefic agendas if they had the Supreme Court

 

[bnew]

But the main 2020 polling errors were in the opposite direction.


"The task force found that polling during the two weeks before the election overstated support for then-Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 3.9 percentage points, which was the largest polling error since 1980 "

Pre-election polls in 2020 had the largest errors in 40 years

Public opinion polls ahead of the 2020 election were the most inaccurate in a generation, according to Josh Clinton, Abby and Jon Winkelried Chair and professor of political science, who recently served as chair of a special task force convened by the American Association for Public Opinion...

news.vanderbilt.edu

do you think that takes into account the votes that were thrown out?

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Impeached AG of Texas,
@KenPaxtonTX giving a news interview saying that if he wouldn’t have stopped 2.5 Million mail-in ballots during the Presidential Election, that Biden would have won Texas & Trump would have lost Texas.


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[Amo Husserl]

Yes, she's saying that if you give tangibles to Black Americans, it will improve their lives and that will improve that community by default - not just Black people but any people in their community. When someone in your community becomes wealthier, more educated, better health, etc, it improves the whole community.

It's not a black-specific tangible.

The Civil Liberties Act of 1988 is a group-specific tangible where a specific group is the intended end user, the Japanese who were interned during WW2.
Covid checks were income-specific tangibles where all intended end users were common.

Black-specific tangibles benefit black people as the intended end user by default, not that community as end users where black people are incidental.
Semantically "that community" is not specific to the question asked about a specific group of people referenced in the question.

The host's question, "Do you support reparations for black people?" identifies a black-specific tangible that clearly makes black people the intended end user Kamala denied when she said:

"Any policy that will benefit black people will benefit all of society... I'm not gone sit here and say I'ma do something that's only going to benefit black people, no. Because whatever benefits that black family will benefit that community and society as a whole and the country, right?"

"Any policy that will benefit black people" does not require black people to be the intended end user of the policy, they are part of the policy because it is not a group-specific tangible where black people are the end user. Kamala was asked about reparations for black people. "For" makes black people the intended end user of the specific tangible.

for =/= any policy that will

"Any policy that will" means anything which the end user is a part of, not what is specifically intended for the end user.

The question was not about the community, it was about black people. Kamala answered the question for the community, not black people.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Can someone give me cliff notes of how they plan to do all that?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I dont understand whats so hard about revealing what your black specefic agenda is once we help overturn the Supreme court through religiously voting for Democrats.

Maybe the fact that just 18% of White people support reparations in the latest polls, so that anyone who comes out strongly in favor of reparations in 2024 doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the presidency?


You want her to self-sabotage her chance of winning the election right now so she can virtue-signal regarding a policy that can't get through Congress, the Senate, OR the Supreme Court right now. What the fukk would be the point of that?

 

[Houston911]

That's not how "first generation homebuyer" is federally defined. It's defined by whether you or your parents have owned a home in the last 3 years. What your grandparents owned is irrelevant, and if you parents used to own but lost it 3+ years ago than they don't count either.

Even by your definition, why would immigrants benefit more? Wouldn't foreigners coming from villages and such have been way more likely to own "very modest" homes in their home countries than Black Americans are?

Thanks for informing me. I’m happy to hear that.

And nah, they wouldn’t be tracking home from overseas.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Too many folk are coming with different numbers, no solid timeframe that reparations is for (slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, etc...), whether reparations should be done at the federal or state level, how it will be distributed, etc...
We also need to know the history and why reparations is needed.

All of that needs to be ironed out.

So voting for Kamala is just harm reduction and giving more time to Black folk to push for a solid plan to help propel us forward in this country.

Yep harm reduction in the mean time until we can increase our leverage.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Thanks for informing me. I’m happy to hear that.

And nah, they wouldn’t be tracking home from overseas.

They don't "track" either way - it's a self-declaration on the form by the prospective home-buyer. So it's up to the homebuyer whether they want to lie or not, and whether they get caught depends on how much work the government wants to do to investigate any particular claim (probably at random just like with taxes). I believe lying on a self-declaration on a federal form is a felony, so immigrants might think they have a better chance of getting away with it but would also have a bigger motivation to not try because they could be deported. And there's a good chance that they've already declared their previous and parents's residences on their initial immigration forms.

 

[Still Benefited]

Maybe the fact that just 18% of White people support reparations in the latest polls, so that anyone who comes out strongly in favor of reparations in 2024 doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the presidency?


You want her to self-sabotage her chance of winning the election right now so she can virtue-signal regarding a policy that can't get through Congress, the Senate, OR the Supreme Court right now. What the fukk would be the point of that?

It would make me feel hopeful,and much better about committing to the Democrats. But if they prefer to appeal to the racist white republicans,liberals and independents? Well,hopefully those white people come out in full force based on the Dems ommission of black tangibles/agendas. White liberals not wanting to see black people progress is certainly understandable. We wish them the best of luck,as well as a cruel unforgiving loop of karma

 

[Voice of Reason]

It would make me feel hopeful,and much better about committing to the Democrats. But if they prefer to appeal to the racist white republicans,liberals and independents? Well,hopefully those white people come out in full force based on the Dems ommission of black tangibles/agendas. White liberals not wanting to see black people progress is certainly understandable. We wish them the best of luck,as well as a cruel unforgiving loop of karma

Most white people do not want to see transformative Black economic progress.


That's why Dems have to silently help Black people because America is still severely anti-Black.


You both siders act like you don't understand this.

 

[BiggWebb79]

At the end of the day...

 

[Tair]

It would make me feel hopeful,and much better about committing to the Democrats. But if they prefer to appeal to the racist white republicans,liberals and independents? Well,hopefully those white people come out in full force based on the Dems ommission of black tangibles/agendas. White liberals not wanting to see black people progress is certainly understandable. We wish them the best of luck,as well as a cruel unforgiving loop of karma

Very short-sighted and selfish.

Project 2025 is 60 years in the making, Republicans believe in chipping away and pushing the Overton window one step at a time. They invested in a long-term plan to shape the country in a way they desire even though people would reject their insanity at the outset.

You throw away possibilities because people don't immediately give you what you want. That is a child's way of thinking, not a serious adult.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It would make me feel hopeful,and much better about committing to the Democrats. But if they prefer to appeal to the racist white republicans,liberals and independents?

No, they prefer to get a majority regardless of who it is.

You want them to try to lose, just so long as they lose while catering to you. And then you're probably call them unserious.


Gary Chambers ran for Senate in Louisiana on reparations.




He ended up with just 18% of the vote in a state that is 31% Black. He got 48% of the Black vote and 9% of the White vote. This is what the election map looked like for him:

If a senate candidate running on reparations can only get 18% in one of the Blackest states in the country, why the fukk do you think Democrats would pick that as a winning strategy nationwide?

 

[perfectblack999]

The “it doesn’t count unless it explicitly says ADOS” argument is so unserious to me. It’s impossible to argue against because their stance is dead on arrival, and they know it, but they don't care.