Can a "both sider" please tell me how Kamala Harris' plan to expand refundable tax credits isn't tangibles?

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Most white people do not want to see transformative Black economic progress.


That's why Dems have to silently help Black people because America is still severely anti-Black.


You both siders act like you don't understand this.


So silent you cant even see the progress:wow:

You all truly expect me to believe the country has gotten worst than it was during the civil rights movement. Stop making excuses for why Democrats cant talk about a black agenda. You dont need the courts to come up with a plan to fix crime,and improve education for black youth which is currently abysmal. You dont need the courts to provide better marriage incentives. But theyd rather give people tax credits for having a bunch of kids out of wedlock or otherwise. Tax breaks that are probably greater than the ones for getting married. Yet somehow thats a tangible for the black community:mjlol:


Black people know what problems we face. I dont see those problems being addressed with strategies of any kind. So even if you say they cant talk race specefically. They could still have an agenda that addresses fixing problems we know we have specefically.
 

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No, they prefer to get a majority regardless of who it is. :dead:

You want them to try to lose, just so long as they lose while catering to you. And then you're probably call them unserious.


Gary Chambers ran for Senate in Louisiana on reparations.




He ended up with just 18% of the vote in a state that is 31% Black. He got 48% of the Black vote and 9% of the White vote. This is what the election map looked like for him:


2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Louisiana_results_map_by_parish.svg





If a senate candidate running on reparations can only get 18% in one of the Blackest states in the country, why the fukk do you think Democrats would pick that as a winning strategy nationwide?



What was his platform outside of reperations? Are yall implying democrats are unable to address issues we know we specefically have as a community without using the word "black":mjlol:


According to yall we should just read through the lines and see what they are offering will help black people. So if thats possible,its also possible to have a black agenda without mentioning race. The problem is yall want us to see these individualist policys as tangibles for the collective when it isnt. If they actually spoke to issues that truly effects the black community as a whole,they wouldnt have to be specefic. Problem is they dont,so they black people dont see how any of what they are offering will help us as a collective.

Now if yall are ready for us to stop thinking on that collectivism level,let it be known:respect:
 

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What was his platform outside of reperations? Are yall implying democrats are unable to address issues we know we specefically have as a community without using the word "black":mjlol:


According to yall we should just read through the lines and see what they are offering will help black people. So if thats possible,its also possible to have a black agenda without mentioning race. The problem is yall want us to see these individualist policys as tangibles for the collective when it isnt. If they actually spoke to issues that truly effects the black community as a whole,they wouldnt have to be specefic. Problem is they dont,so they black people dont see how any of what they are offering will help us as a collective.

Now if yall are ready for us to stop thinking on that collectivism level,let it be known:respect:


I'm confused. Are you complaining that they're not talking about enough stuff like this?



increased Black employment,
increased SNAP benefits,
increased child tax credit which significantly decreased child poverty,
increased SBA-backed loans for Black businesses,
increased federal contracts for Black-owned small businesses,
record high funding for HBCUs,
increased funding for Pell Grants,
cancelled hundreds of millions of dollars in student loans,
increased funding for Head Start
closed Black-White home misevaluation gap,
reduced mortgage interest premiums for FHA loans,
cut costs for high-speed internet,
billions in funding for Black farmers,
lowered health care premium costs,
made sickle cell the first focus of the new Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services model,
dramatically lowered insulin costs,
dramatically lowered prescription drug costs,
signed executive order on police reform,
signed new laws targeting gun violence,
extra funding for community violence interventions,
thousands of pardons for marijuana possession cases,
made Juneteenth a national holiday,
signed the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act,
appointed the first Black woman to the Supreme Court
appointed more Black judges in one term than any president in history

I think I missed some, but is that the sort of list you're talking about or.....?
 
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No, they prefer to get a majority regardless of who it is. :dead:

You want them to try to lose, just so long as they lose while catering to you. And then you're probably call them unserious.


Gary Chambers ran for Senate in Louisiana on reparations.




He ended up with just 18% of the vote in a state that is 31% Black. He got 48% of the Black vote and 9% of the White vote. This is what the election map looked like for him:


2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Louisiana_results_map_by_parish.svg





If a senate candidate running on reparations can only get 18% in one of the Blackest states in the country, why the fukk do you think Democrats would pick that as a winning strategy nationwide?




That map is fukking insane :francis:
 

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Very short-sighted and selfish.

Project 2025 is 60 years in the making, Republicans believe in chipping away and pushing the Overton window one step at a time. They invested in a long-term plan to shape the country in a way they desire even though people would reject their insanity at the outset.

You throw away possibilities because people don't immediately give you what you want. That is a child's way of thinking, not a serious adult.

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So im shortsighted,but not the Democrats who cant tell us their longterm plans for once the courts are overturned? As an incentive for us to help them overturn the courts:mjlol:


Your literally asking us to "just trust them bro:mjlol:". When Dems have literally given you no reason to believe they will have your back. Despite Biden saying "I got your back" 4 years ago smh. Believing in Santa clause is also very childish.

Sounds like Republicans were not shortsighted,and actually were thinking long term like im suggesting:ohhh:. Now if you actually believe Democrats have their own long strategy thats going to help blacks specefically,but are just playing it close to the vest? More power to you I guess.

Seems pretty naive if you ask me. Weve been telling black people to prepare to leave the country for a while now. Not throwing away possibilities at all. Meanwhile yall did not help prepare your people for all possibilities. You told them "Biden and Kamala" will save us,with a straight face. For that you should be very ashamed:respect:
 

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So im shortsighted,but not the Democrats who cant tell us their longterm plans for once the courts are overturned? As an incentive for us to help them overturn the courts:mjlol:


Your literally asking us to "just trust them bro:mjlol:". When Dems have literally given you no reason to believe they will have your back. Despite Biden saying "I got your back" 4 years ago smh. Believing in Santa clause is also very childish.

Sounds like Republicans were not shortsighted,and actually were thinking long term like im suggesting:ohhh:. Now if you actually believe Democrats have their own long strategy thats going to help blacks specefically,but are just playing it close to the vest? More power to you I guess.

Seems pretty naive if you ask me. Weve been telling black people to prepare to leave the country for a while now. Not throwing away possibilities at all. Meanwhile yall did not help prepare your people for all possibilities. You told them "Biden and Kamala" will save us,with a straight face. For that you should be very ashamed:respect:

I am saying we need to start planning instead of being reactionary. We do the work in planning/organizing, we do the work in educating our people and getting the talking points ready, we do the work in backing and pushing for candidates that are aligned with our viewpoints, we do the work in making inroads with other groups that are aligned with our viewpoints as well.

Throwing up your hands and giving up when the work hasn't really started yet is foolish. Say Trump wins and elects Trumpian judges and guts all manner of social mobility for us. We gonna have to work and wait 30-40 years for new judges and start back at square one when we could have already made significant process and got reparations during those years had Trump not won and decided 3 more SC judges and a bunch of federal judges.

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I'm confused. Are you complaining that they're not talking about enough stuff like this?



increased Black employment,
increased SNAP benefits,
increased child tax credit which significantly decreased child poverty,
increased SBA-backed loans for Black businesses,
increased federal contracts for Black-owned small businesses,
record high funding for HBCUs,
increased funding for Pell Grants,
cancelled hundreds of millions of dollars in student loans,
increased funding for Head Start
closed Black-White home misevaluation gap,
reduced mortgage interest premiums for FHA loans,
cut costs for high-speed internet,
billions in funding for Black farmers,
lowered health care premium costs,
made sickle cell the first focus of the new Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services model,
dramatically lowered insulin costs,
dramatically lowered prescription drug costs,
signed executive order on police reform,
signed new laws targeting gun violence,
extra funding for community violence interventions,
thousands of pardons for marijuana possession cases,
made Juneteenth a national holiday,
signed the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act,
appointed the first Black woman to the Supreme Court
appointed more Black judges in one term than any president in history

I think I missed some, but is that the sort of list you're talking about or.....?


Practically identical to Trumps:mjlol:



The fact you think those things effect everyday black people as a collective shows the disconnect. Yall love bringing up these policies that helped black individuals. But will scoff at people who talk about PPP loans,stimmys,and say their life as an individual was far better under Trump. Collectivism or individualism,which will it be? Some Black people will benefit under either regime. Will the communities problems be fixed under either? The answer is no.

Of course yall will project and say " But Republicans will make it worst". Not addressing our issues specefically will also make it worst over time,this is a fact. Yall are literally cheerleading for a slow death. And me saying it will be slower under Democrats is also projection,and me being generous. For all we know it could come faster under Dems:respect:
 

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Practically identical to Trumps:mjlol:



The fact you think those things effect everyday black people as a collective shows the disconnect. Yall love bringing up these policies that helped black individuals. But will scoff at people who talk about PPP loans,stimmys,and say their life as an individual was far better under Trump. Collectivism or individualism,which will it be? Some Black people will benefit under either regime. Will the communities problems be fixed under either? The answer is no.

Of course yall will project and say " But Republicans will make it worst". Not addressing our issues specefically will also make it worst over time,this is a fact. Yall are literally cheerleading for a slow death. And me saying it will be slower under Democrats is also projection,and me being generous. For all we know it could come faster under Dems:respect:

Business loans to Black companies doubled under Biden from what it was with Trump.

 

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Did you not even read it or are you just lying hoping no one else will? :dahell:


* He brags about HBCU funding (must less than Biden/Harris's funding), even though he made a signing statement early in his term suggesting that HBCU's might be unconstitutional cause they're based on race.
* He brags about opportunity zones, which were a giveaway for rich developers that have had no meaningful impact on Black people.
* He brags about income increasing and poverty decreasing in his first two years (just a carryover from Obama), which ignored that income crashed in his last year.
* He brags about new jobs being created in his first two years, ignoring that employment crashed in his last year.
* He brags about the First Step Act, ignoring that it was FAR watered down from what the Democrats were pushing and that he refused to take a second step.

That's his whole thing. Unlike Biden/Harris, his fact sheet had:

No increase in SNAP benefits
No increase in child tax credit
No increased SBA-backed loans for Black businesses,
No increased federal contracts for Black-owned small businesses,
No record high funding for HBCUs,
No increased funding for Pell Grants,
No cancellation of hundreds of millions of dollars in student loans,
No increased funding for Head Start
No closing in the Black-White home misevaluation gap,
No reduced mortgage interest premiums for FHA loans,
No cut costs for high-speed internet,
No billions in funding for Black farmers,
No lowered health care premium costs,
Did not make sickle cell the first focus of the new Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services model,
Did not dramatically lower insulin costs,
Did no dramatically lower prescription drug costs,
Refused to enact police reform,
No new laws targeting gun violence,
No extra funding for community violence interventions,
Did not make Juneteenth a national holiday,
Did not sign the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act,
Did not appoint any Black people to the Supreme Court
Appointed very few Black judges

Not to mention his closing down of investigations of racist police, closing down of civil rights investigations in every federal department, eliminated disparate impact policy in every department, historic hating on BLM, hating on kneeling for the anthem, hating on the teaching of Black history, demonizing Black immigrants, demonizing Critical Race Theory, demonizing DEI, and appointing judges who killed Black voting rights, gutted the Voting Rights Act, blocked money for Black farmers, blocked student loan relief, and eliminated Affirmative Action.


How did you think those two lists were the same? :dahell:





The fact you think those things effect everyday black people as a collective shows the disconnect. Yall love bringing up these policies that helped black individuals. But will scoff at people who talk about PPP loans,stimmys,and say their life as an individual was far better under Trump.

We scoff at those things because they were pushed by Democrats and Trump alike and only happened because Trump had a historically awful response to the pandemic.

He wasn't doing any of that shyt before his incompetence helped turn the nation into a nightmare. :mjlol:


Seriously, what do you ACTUALLY think Democrats should do? And who else besides you is ACTIVELY pushing for it?
 

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I am saying we need to start planning instead of being reactionary. We do the work in planning/organizing, we do the work in educating our people and getting the talking points ready, we do the work in backing and pushing for candidates that are aligned with our viewpoints, we do the work in making inroads with other groups that are aligned with our viewpoints as well.

Throwing up your hands and giving up when the work hasn't really started yet is foolish. Say Trump wins and elects Trumpian judges and guts all manner of social mobility for us. We gonna have to work and wait 30-40 years for new judges and start back at square one when we could have already made significant process and got reparations during those years had Trump not won and decided 3 more SC judges and a bunch of federal judges.

:martin:


Look around,do black people look serious about working for progress politically? Or do black people look extremely comfortable.

Yes I have given up on white supremacy. Not giving up on white supremacy would mean you dont believe in white supremacy. At what point will you be willing to give up on it? You can do your work while preparing for all possibilities as well as having a plan B.

Your people at large have been assimilated by the cancer of white supremacy. Thinking you can teach black people,teach the white man. And not inevietably have it all be written over later by white supremacy programming? Again,that sounds naive.

Like Bane told Batman "victory has defeated you". So called "proggress" is your enemy. Every generation of black youth will be further removed from slavery and the civil rights movement. "Progress" will only make them see less of a need for pro blackness and sovereignity:respect:
 

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Business loans to Black companies doubled under Biden from what it was with Trump.



I just checked the sig and realized we're arguing politics with a guy who gets his Black empowerment philosophy from Nature Boy. :snoop:
 
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