BREAKING: US tells Ukraine we’re broke, HYON

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Then you really aren't allowed to move there then :mjlol:
I walked right into this one.
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from a ukrainian perspective, the first phase of the war was worth it - they successfully repelled the russians from most of the land they took. with the willpower they displayed, they clearly have a lot of people who would rather die than lose sovereignty in most of the country. the second phase, however, was foolish and should have been focused on shoring up defenses so that the ukrainian interior is much stronger than it ever was and then start negotiating a ceasefire and the annexation of the land they couldnt take back.
they are in a better position to negotiate a ceasefire now than they were before...

negotiating before a defacto stalemate would have completely obliterated their bargaining power
 

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All these dummies who cheerleaded this war like it was drill rap will pretend they never did that. They never really cared. TV and social media told them "we bussin' at the opps" and they stanned.
Breh the US already won, we weren't in this to liberate Russian territory in Ukraine

And people forget Russia was rolling tanks almost into Kiev when this all started
 
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All these dummies who cheerleaded this war like it was drill rap will pretend they never did that. They never really cared. TV and social media told them "we bussin' at the opps" and they stanned.
At the bolded part - It's already starting to happen.

Don't get me wrong, I side with Ukraine in terms that they have a right to defend themselves and their territorial sovereignty and integrity. However, the amount of propaganda that The West was doing for Ukraine while ignoring the fukkery within Ukraine (pre and during the war) was shocking.
 

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Ukrainian Neo-Nazis should not have bombed ethnic Russians in the Donbas.
Ukraine put down a foreign backed separatist movement in the Donbas. People die in separatist movements.

Also, Russia has more than its share of neo nazis. A pox on both of them.n
 

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they are in a better position to negotiate a ceasefire now than they were before...

negotiating before a defacto stalemate would have completely obliterated their bargaining power
maybe. sometimes i read things that imply america was talking to russia the whole time without even involving zelensky until the americans encourage him to get involved. if they have done that, then who knows what the terms were, but if true, then it means zelensky is the least important person in the discussion no matter what he does.

it's also possible that zelensky may burn through men at too fast a rate or that russia gets a second wind and attacks with renewed strength later. in terms of resources, zelesnky is at a disadvantage over time.
 
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