BREAKING: US tells Ukraine we’re broke, HYON

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"First and foremost, what an immense waste of human life. Not only was this one of the most easily preventable wars of all times, but the West actively worked to prevent any peace deals early on in the war like the one tentatively reached in Istanbul just 1 month or so into the war, convincing Ukraine they'd be better off fighting. 100s of thousands of deaths later and here we are.... Will there be any reckoning? Sadly, I'm pretty sure there won't, just a depressing disaster all around."

Sobering reality of what we did when we could have just used diplomacy and skipped the 500K dead to get to the same exact place. Also, yeah we wasted billions of dollars to.



"We"? Im sure the politicians and possibly G.I Joe made some billions on the backend:respect:.


What other possible reason was their to gas up the Ukranians to think that they could beat Russia. The people at the top in the U.S,Ukraine and Russia probably on a zoom call talking about what yachts they plan on purchasing.
 

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maybe. sometimes i read things that imply america was talking to russia the whole time without even involving zelensky until the americans encourage him to get involved. if they have done that, then who knows what the terms were, but if true, then it means zelensky is the least important person in the discussion no matter what he does.

it's also possible that zelensky may burn through men at too fast a rate or that russia gets a second wind and attacks with renewed strength later. in terms of resources, zelesnky is at a disadvantage over time.
Manpower isn’t the issue for Ukraine. Equipment is.
 

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Who were/are trying to overthrow Ukraine... :dead:

Why wouldn't Ukraine bomb clowns that are trying to overthrow it with help from Russia? :skip:

moron.
You have weirdly wrong and backwards ideas about certain current events, breh. You are otherwise a smart and funny guy. :manny:

Before 2014, Ukraine's freely and fairly democratically elected government was considering buddying up to Russia a little bit. Given simple geography, this seemed like the best option to them. NATO said "fukk that!" and engineered a coup that installed a right wing reactionary government. American media misreported this as a popular uprising, of course.

A couple years later they get a literal comedian installed as president. It's all bullshyt. Putin is not a good guy in any way. Well, except for that time he said "Street rap may be a bit tough, but it has an important message about social change." But NATO is the continuation of fascism on the continent. Operation Gladio stuff.

Ukraine was, to a great extent, a willing and happy participant in the Holocaust. After WW2, a whole bunch of Ukrainian Nazis escaped to Canada.

And what have they been doing since then? :mjpls:
 

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Manpower isn’t the issue for Ukraine. Equipment is.
Every analysis I've read the past month says otherwise. Ukraine has huge problems with manpower to the point that even if NATO gave them enough equipment right now they don't have trained soldiers to use it.



Meanwhile Russia has slowly consolidated their industry and economy for prolonged war:
 

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Yeah, Ukraine is screwed. Russia bombing civilians might have paid off for them in the end because Ukraine has a manpower shortage.

Russia is perfectly fine throwing prisoners and old people at them to make them burn the ammo that they do have.

shyt's fukked, but it's a war of attrition.
 

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You have weirdly wrong and backwards ideas about certain current events, breh. You are otherwise a smart and funny guy. :manny:

Before 2014, Ukraine's freely and fairly democratically elected government was considering buddying up to Russia a little bit. Given simple geography, this seemed like the best option to them. NATO said "fukk that!" and engineered a coup that installed a right wing reactionary government. American media misreported this as a popular uprising, of course.

This is total nonsense.

Three consecutive Ukrainian governments (now 5 consecutive) had pushed for greater alliance with the European Union, and Yanukovych ran on the promise that he would continue negotiations. Ukraine's democratically elected government overwhelmingly voted to approve the association agreement with the EU. Then Yanukovych received personal pressure from Moscow, likely some mix of bribes and threats, and single-handedly chose to sink an agreement the large majority of Ukrainians wanted.

Claiming that "they" wanted greater alignment with Russia is nonsense. It was only Yanukovych who wanted it, and even he wasn't arguing for that until a last second 180.



A couple years later they get a literal comedian installed as president. It's all bullshyt.

Claiming that Zelenskyy was "installed", as opposed to "a wildly popular anti-establishment candidate who dominated every opinion poll and the election with massive majorities", is definitely all bullshyt.




Well, except for that time he said "Street rap may be a bit tough, but it has an important message about social change." But NATO is the continuation of fascism on the continent. Operation Gladio stuff.

Ukraine was, to a great extent, a willing and happy participant in the Holocaust. After WW2, a whole bunch of Ukrainian Nazis escaped to Canada.

And what have they been doing since then? :mjpls:


This is a fukking wild conspiracy even for TLR. :dead:
 

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It's a wrap for both sides. Russians want troops back home. Both sides lost. Ukraine is deep in America's debt as well which was always the plan. As long as they are not absorbed by Russia then America will get a return on its investment. Believe that. But the war was a general waste of time as far as today.

Yup. I said from about a month or so in that it was pretty clear both sides were going to lose. Americans will feel like they "won" because they enjoy seeing their enemies suffer and lose lives and don't really give a shyt if their allies or just plain innocents suffer and lose lives.




"First and foremost, what an immense waste of human life. Not only was this one of the most easily preventable wars of all times, but the West actively worked to prevent any peace deals early on in the war like the one tentatively reached in Istanbul just 1 month or so into the war, convincing Ukraine they'd be better off fighting. 100s of thousands of deaths later and here we are.... Will there be any reckoning? Sadly, I'm pretty sure there won't, just a depressing disaster all around."

Sobering reality of what we did when we could have just used diplomacy and skipped the 500K dead to get to the same exact place. Also, yeah we wasted billions of dollars to.
The second phase, however, was foolish and should have been focused on shoring up defenses so that the ukrainian interior is much stronger than it ever was and then start negotiating a ceasefire and the annexation of the land they couldnt take back.
When we told theColi this they leveled all sorts "pro-Russian" allegations against us.

I remember when you were all talking about the Wagner Group invading Moscow. :russ:


It's wild - I'm one of the most anti-Putin posters on these boards, yet was being called a Putin sympathizer solely because I said back in 2021 that negotiating to end earlier and save lives would be better than losing hundreds of thousands of your own people just to have to negotiate eventually anyway.

Napoleon and his sycophants STILL haven't answered how this war is going to end without Ukraine negotiating with Russia. Neither side can win conclusively on the battlefield. It's going exactly as I said it would.
 

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Perfection.

Ancient, out of touch, rapidly decaying, unaware of simple facts about material reality on the ground in the twenty first century.
 

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Russia should have never invaded
Shouldn't have been killing ethnic Russians in the east. Now those areas belong to Russia and no NATO membership for them. All that bloodshed, death and infrastructure destruction and Ukraine accomplished nothing but being 100 billion in debt and Ukrainians of child bearing & fighting ages scattered all over Europe.

Anyway the smart Coli brehs were telling you the obvious since the war started but y'all were busy spreading NATO babble. :sas2:
 
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