BREAKING: The Washington Wizards are trading three-time All-Star Bradley Beal to the Phoenix Suns for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, second-rounders

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The one man who was gonna give him a 4 year deal got fired two months ago.

Not sure of KP's market...
KP just had his best season in 5 years, career highs in scoring, raw FG%, EFG and TS%, and assists. 1 games away from matching his high in games played. And will be just 28.

He has a market.
 

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apparently heat in drivers seat.. its in advance stages.. robbery
 

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If they don’t want to pay it they don’t have to, but just because the Charlotte’s & Indiana’s of the world are content with being mediocre and putting in bare minimum effort doesn’t mean other teams need to be punished

The Warriors didn’t buy their team through free agency. They drafted Steph, they drafted Klay, they drafted Draymond, they drafted Looney, they drafted Poole. Isn’t that what we want as a league? And now it’s a problem because a team is willing to pay a premium to keep their own homegrown core together?
Charlotte simply doesn't draft or run their team well. Indiana does well but are never really bad enough to draft a Steph, and aren't going to attract a free agent of that caliber.

The Warriors signed free agents to supplement their core. Iggy, Livingston, Barbosa, Bogut, Speights, KD. All of which was, again, possible with an MVP on a run of the mill guard deal.

The fact of the matter is Indiana and Golden State are playing on two different levels as far as desirability and financial market power. Boiling it down to "Team X is okay being bad" is lazy and disingenuous.
 

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Charlotte simply doesn't draft or run their team well. Indiana does well but are never really bad enough to draft a Steph, and aren't going to attract a free agent of that caliber.

The Warriors signed free agents to supplement their core. Iggy, Livingston, Barbosa, Bogut, Speights, KD. All of which was, again, possible with an MVP on a run of the mill guard deal.

The fact of the matter is Indiana and Golden State are playing on two different levels as far as desirability and financial market power. Boiling it down to "Team X is okay being bad" is lazy and disingenuous.

They traded their star player (that they drafted) for Bogut, they traded two 1sts for Iggy, the only reason they were able to sign KD was because of an unprecedented cap spike and Livingston/Barbosa/Speights were signed on small deals

And making it seem like teams have high payrolls because they’re just lazily tossing out “powerball contracts” isn’t disingenuous?
 

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They traded their star player (that they drafted) for Bogut, they traded two 1sts for Iggy, the only reason they were able to sign KD was because of an unprecedented cap spike and Livingston/Barbosa/Speights were signed on small deals

And making it seem like teams have high payrolls because they’re just lazily tossing out “powerball contracts” isn’t disingenuous?
The cap spike wasn't the "only reason", if Steph makes superstar money from 2013-16, they're not in the market for KD.

I never attributed powerball contracts to how high any given NBA team's payroll is, though it's obviously a part of it, and that comment was about teams giving max deals to players who "show something" and hoping those players play into those deals by 25. And that usually does not happen with chip cores (though Poole seems to be breaking this rule).

So, no, it's not disingenuous because we can look at the next biggest league with 0 salary cap whatsoever and see where the franchises sit that are spending the most money.

New York
New York
San Diego
Philadelphia
Los Angeles
Los Angeles
Toronto
Atlanta
Dallas
Boston


Again, the Memphis Warriors don't have the same story.
 

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He doesn't have unlimited money. That's another thing brehs don't understand or don't want to understand for militant reasons. These owners aren't Gates/Bezos billionaires and for many of them just as much of their wealth is the worth of their teams as it is their other ventures.
He as money though..

He is liquid
 

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Not liquid enough to pay a team 300M a year to win. Especially since he owns a bunch of teams and would have to do the same across the board.
So basically you agree with my point

The NBA didn't have to change the CBA to make teams with 3 stars pay a heavy tax then. They should've just left it alone.
 

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The cap spike wasn't the "only reason", if Steph makes superstar money from 2013-16, they're not in the market for KD.

I never attributed powerball contracts to how high any given NBA team's payroll is, though it's obviously a part of it, and that comment was about teams giving max deals to players who "show something" and hoping those players play into those deals by 25. And that usually does not happen with chip cores (though Poole seems to be breaking this rule).

So, no, it's not disingenuous because we can look at the next biggest league with 0 salary cap whatsoever and see where the franchise sit that are spending the most money.

New York
New York
San Diego
Philadelphia
Los Angeles
Los Angeles
Toronto
Atlanta
Dallas
Boston


Again, the Memphis Warriors don't have the same story.

There’s a correlation with market size but it’s not one to one.

Cleveland has paid more luxury tax dollars in their history than Boston, Philly, Chicago, Atlanta & Houston combined. Portland & OKC have paid more than Boston, Philly & Chicago combined. It’s about ownership.

The Clippers used to avoid the tax like the plague before Ballmer bought the team from Sterling. Phoenix was known for being cheap and cutting corners under Sarver

And comparing to baseball is comparing apples to oranges because of the difference in spending on free agency. Those teams with sky high payrolls typically aren’t those who build organically. The Mets have the highest payroll and their 5 highest paid players were all free agent signings
 

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Fire sale :wow:


Smokescreen. They can get a better deal out of the Pelitanks.
I don't understand why the league keeps making it harder to build

Stop protecting the owners from themselves

The onus should be on these front offices to make wise decisions with how they spend money

This is ridiculous

The Warriors situation with KD was some shyt that won't be replicated

Steph was on a dirt cheap contract because of his ankle problems which alllowed them to sign KD outright.

You can have a championship team in small markets if you make the right decisions and draft wisely.

The NBA was wylin with this new CBA
There's no mystery about this CBA.

The likes of CJ McCollum, Silver, and cheap owners formed up like Voltron to kill the Warriors no matter the cost.
They saw them actually manage to get the Dynasty Core, Weedplate, and a bunch of rejects and snotty-nosed kids into a team that not only won another ring but looked like the second coming of the Dynasty Warriors.

Their only reaction was to say "Oh hell nah" and make sure to empty the clip on them, even if their feet were on the way.

Ironically, they didn't even need to do shyt because the pre-existing cap hell and Draymond being a fukking idiot killed them before the new CBA even went into effect.

Besides the Basketball Reasons Lakers, your teams don't have haters like this!!! :damn:
 
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