Appreciate the mods on this regardless of where they personally stand
. Not only with this thread but just in general moderation has been great lately. The agitators and bad faith posters have had a much shorter leash to act a fool.
I hear you and to be clear I hate the framing of this as "pro-life versus pro-choice". Even as a left-leaning brother this makes me uneasy. I don't wish the decision of having an abortion on any woman or couple. I'm not so lost in my opinions that I don't respect the miracle of conception for what it is. But if we're keeping it real this boils down to the autonomy/rights of a living, sentient human versus that of an embryo that may develop into one. And I hate being that coldly reductive but breh our science has not taken us beyond that point. I fukking wish there were more dummy-proof methods of birth control. Because people are gonna keep on smashing, sometimes irresponsibly, and there's no stopping that. We are wired to fukk for obvious reasons. So, yes, we teach and we preach but
I don't think being overly punitive towards women solves anything. Condemning them and the child to a life of potential misery and poverty just seems cruel.