Boxing fans...Why do some of you guys hate MMA so much and love to discredit it?

[Juven]

not only did james toney lose that fight, he QUIT

getting KO'd > quitting. quitting is basically saying "you are better than i am, i quit before you continue to embarrass me any further"
at least getting ko'd you go out fighting. lol@ tapping out after talking all that sht. couture was about to put that boy to sleep

where was the sweet science when he needed it

Imagine if he had won? we would have never heard the end of it. Dudes got quiet all of a sudden

MMA fans knew he never stood a chance

 

[sfgiants]

Imagine if he had won? we would have never heard the end of it. Dudes got quiet all of a sudden

MMA fans knew he never stood a chance

word...
i mean, he was a champion in 3 weight classes he should've mopped up couture right?

the diff between me and these angry boxing guys here is that i will watch an mma fight the same way i will watch a boxing match, because im not a stan for either sport
it's all entertainment

 

[Master Teacher]

word...
i mean, he was a champion in 3 weight classes he should've mopped up couture right?

the diff between me and these angry boxing guys here is that i will watch an mma fight the same way i will watch a boxing match, because im not a stan for either sport
it's all entertainment

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yall don't get man. Let's see Randy get in a boxing ring with Toney

Ray Mercer step in the octagon and won

why won't an MMA guy step in the boxing ring and fight a past his prime champion. Won't ever happen, Dana even blocked Anderson from boxing Roy because he knew what was up.

Boxing is a sport it's more technical than just fighting

It's like a knight in medieval times challenge somebody to a jousting match, its different than if they fought on battlefield or dueled with rapiers.

A boxer can go into any MMA fight with just his boxing and I HAVE GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING

No MMA dude has a chance against a real boxer in the RING, they wouldn't have the skilll

 

[Jutt]

A lot of people in here really dont know shyt




This shyt is like comparing cricket to baseball. Two entirely different sports with two entirely different skillsets.

 

[Dr. Fauci]

i dont think a lot of people realize, MMA is a brand new sport...it just started getting big here in the last few years...people bytch about the "level of striking" and "this champion wasnt any good"....do u know why? A lot of these guys may have wrestled their whole life...and JUST started training boxing/muy thai/striking arts in their mid 20's.....thats fukkin why. Theres so many disciplines u need to master, its impossible to master them flawlessly when u pick a certain aspect of it too late. This new breed of fighters were going to see in the next 5-10 years are going to be training in all aspects, at a true elite "MMA gym" (rather then just 1 art, and trying to learn the other ones on the run), and u will real see higher levels of all the arts (we are already seeing it)

Interestingly enough, its well known in MMA circles that striking is the "easiest" aspect of it all to pick up on the fly (wrestling the hardest/takedown defense)

aka...a 25 year old wrestler can get to a higher level of striking FASTER (frankie edgar, gray maynard, josh koschek, jon jones ect. ect. ect.) then an "elite boxer" will ever be able to improve his wrestling skills...and not even "offensive wrestling"...im talking to just be able to use it defensively to keep from being taken down and put on his back, not even the offensive part


Yes, elite boxers are better then these MMA fighter in boxing....but thats it. thats the point

 

[Northern Son]

U have to take into account all the skills that have to be developed to be a good MMA fighter compared to just boxing. MMA, u have to worry about takedowns, grappling, knees, kicks, submissions spinning backfists etc. U don't have to worry about any of that in boxing. And most boxers would get their azz whooped if they went over to MMA

Most MMA fighters would get their ass whooped if they came to boxing (definitely all of them would be laid out if not literally murdered if they fought top 100 competition).

Let's put it this way, Rivers Cuomo from Weezer can sing, play drums, play guitar and play piano. But he is nowhere near as skilled at instrumentation as Michael Angelo Batio who may only play one instrument but is a master at guitar. Rivers sings and plays guitar at the same time but he's not as good at either as Batio is at straight guitar playing.

Like I said, most MMA fighters are just okay at most disciplines while noticeably above average at one or two in particular whereas boxers can't afford to be mediocre at all. Boxing isn't just as simple as avoiding punches and punching. There's a ridiculously exhaustive wealth of technique that goes into defense, offense, clinching, footwork etc.

MMA might be more "effective" than boxing (Weezer makes much better music than Batio because they have a diversified focus on guitar riffs, songwriting, vocal melodies and a full band sound rather than guitar wankery) but boxing is way harder. MMA guys have to watch out for take downs and strikes at the same time but the fights mostly transition from grappling (striking is thrown out the window when a fighter gets taken down) to stand up rather than encompassing both at the same time.

 

[Jutt]

Why do people think that theres no such thing as technique in MMA? Because their punching "looks" sloppy? I guess there are no sloppy punchers and everyone has pinpoint accuracy like Floyd. Theres more to MMA than punching. If were gonna talk about it, i think some of you should look into the intricacies of BJJ or wrestling and tell me that theres no technique in that.

 

[Northern Son]

aka...a 25 year old wrestler can get to a higher level of striking FASTER (frankie edgar, gray maynard, josh koschek, jon jones ect. ect. ect.) then an "elite boxer" will ever be able to improve his wrestling skills...and not even "offensive wrestling"...im talking to just be able to use it defensively to keep from being taken down and put on his back, not even the offensive part

How do you know that? A ton of strikers in MMA have developed decent wrestling defense for MMA (Cro Cop, Jose Aldo, Tarec Saffedine, recently Anderson Silva) so why do you assume it's impossible for an elite boxer to do the same? There are literally no examples to back up that claim since no elite boxers has ever seriously trained MMA (Mercer and Toney at this point are NOT elite boxers nor did they seriously train MMA).

Koscheck, Maynard, Jon Jones and Edgar are garbage strikers in the grand scheme of things. The guys you mentioned have not reached an elite level of striking by any stretch of the imagination. They're college (not even close to world class) level wrestlers with mediocre to bad striking who are out striking other MMA guys with worse striking. That's just not a good measure of elite striking skills.

Small MT strikers like Buakaw would put Jon Jones on his ass in a kickboxing match and an old 5 foot 7 Jose Luis Castillo would KO him through the ropes in a boxing match. The level of striking in MMA is pure ass and really only Anderson Silva has reached a respectable level. Even other elite strikers like Shogun look like trash compared to boxers (nikka's punching technique is and his defense isn't good either). The GRAPPLING can be elite (Werdum, Magalaes, Shalorus, Maia, Askren, Jacare, Cormier, Rousey, Roger Gracie, King Mo etc.) but even then most MMA fighters are still just above average on the world scale. It's the mixture of the arts together that makes MMA fighters elite.

Why do people think that theres no such thing as technique in MMA? Because their punching "looks" sloppy? I guess there are no sloppy punchers and everyone has pinpoint accuracy like Floyd. Theres more to MMA than punching. If were gonna talk about it, i think some of you should look into the intricacies of BJJ or wrestling and tell me that theres no technique in that.

There's a hell of a lot of technique! Guys just aren't as good at what they do as boxers. It's not even about the disciplines themeselves, it's just that boxing has a way better, way bigger talent pool and over a hundred years of refinement and trial and error. MMA will get better when athletes who are good by most standards (like Jon Jones), not just MMA standards, start training the sport. That won't happen though unless the UFC starts paying these guys and BJJ becomes a realistic option for inner city youths.

 

[Jutt]

How do you know that? A ton of strikers in MMA have developed decent wrestling defense for MMA (Cro Cop, Jose Aldo, Tarec Saffedine, recently Anderson Silva) so why do you assume it's impossible for an elite boxer to do the same? There are literally no examples to back up that claim since no elite boxers has ever seriously trained MMA (Mercer and Toney at this point are NOT elite boxers nor did they seriously train MMA).

Koscheck, Maynard, Jon Jones and Edgar are garbage strikers in the grand scheme of things. The guys you mentioned have not reached an elite level of striking by any stretch of the imagination. They're college (not even close to world class) level wrestlers with mediocre to bad striking who are out striking other MMA guys with worse striking. That's just not a good measure of elite striking skills.

Small MT strikers like Buakaw would put Jon Jones on his ass in a kickboxing match and an old 5 foot 7 Jose Luis Castillo would KO him through the ropes in a boxing match. The level of striking in MMA is pure ass and really only Anderson Silva has reached a respectable level. Even other elite strikers like Shogun look like trash compared to boxers (nikka's punching technique is and his defense isn't good either). The GRAPPLING can be elite (Werdum, Magalaes, Shalorus, Maia, Askren, Jacare, Cormier, Rousey, Roger Gracie, King Mo etc.) but even then most MMA fighters are still just above average on the world scale. It's the mixture of the arts together that makes MMA fighters elite.



There's a hell of a lot of technique! Guys just aren't as good at what they do as boxers. It's not even about the disciplines themeselves, it's just that boxing has a way better, way bigger talent pool and over a hundred years of refinement and trial and error. MMA will get better when athletes who are good by most standards (like Jon Jones), not just MMA standards, start training the sport. That won't happen though unless the UFC starts paying these guys and BJJ becomes a realistic option for inner city youths.

They are as good in their respective arts though. Thats why the two cannot be compared as simply as everyone tries. Its not about being a good athlete though. Technique and skill will almost always trump a great athlete with good skill. I do see more kids getting involved with bjj though moreso than i have before though. Its a great martial art for kids to get into imo

 

[Northern Son]

Your missing the point, it's not about who can win a fight, that's up for grabs.
Ray Mercer destroyed Tim Silvia who was a CHAMPION just as easily as randy sonned tony's fat ass.

I'm saying boxing just looks better and its better executed period .
It's more entertaining to watch, that's why they make way more money.

The fact they train all that shyt, don't mean they're efficient at that shyt.

I'm watching Vitor fight Anthony Johnson, that shyt looked like a lockeroom brawl in High School

Boxing is about artistry. It's a science to it. The way it is designed as a sport, is more entertaining than MMA.

Only using your hand takes more technical skill, than being able to do another things, when you have more options, you don't have to be as proficient.

that's what I mean by more technical, boxing matches seem more controlled aggression, MMA is pretty wild and unorthodox at times

there's only a hand full for complete mix martial artist period,

Yes! Thank you.

 

[Luke Cage]

to me MMA would be better than or as good as boxing if they took away the ground game. on their feet punching and kicking works like other martial arts tournaments. but once they go to the floor its basically wrestling. And nobody likes that, thats the reason it was taken out of the olympics wrestling is boring unless you use folding chairs.

But thats just my opinion no need to go spreading it around.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

People still can't seperate the two sports. I like both, I grew up watching both but more boxing and I will probably love boxing more than any other sport other than football. They're two different sports that need to stop being compared to one another.

 

[Jutt]

to me MMA would be better than or as good as boxing if they took away the ground game. on their feet punching and kicking works like other martial arts tournaments. but once they go to the floor its basically wrestling. And nobody likes that, thats the reason it was taken out of the olympics wrestling is boring unless you use folding chairs.

But thats just my opinion no need to go spreading it around.

This is completely off base and not true breh. I understand thats your opinion and all, but why would they abandon BJJ and thats the cornerstone of the sport. BJJ is like wrestling like muay thai is like karate. Similiar concept but totally different. Going to the ground can be exciting, but some dudes just lay and pray, which NOBODY likes, but myself and quite a few people around enjoy a good grappling spell in a fight as much if not more as a striking battle.


Back to you nikkas that are saying that MMA is wild and unorthadox Yall are acting like every single boxer has crisp concise punches at all times. We've had dudes like Ricky Hatton holding titles. Just like people keep saying, these are two entirely different sport. It takes skills to be a good boxer, and it takes a totally different skillset to be a good mixed martial artist. Do you guys expect Calvin Johnson to come into the NBA and dominate like he does in the NFL? No, because theyre two different sports.

 

[Northern Son]

I dont know if we will ever see the #1 bjj guy join MMA (consistenly at least). MMA is not BJJ. Not everyone wants to get punched in the face, and I doubt the #1 bjj guy (or grappler in general) wants to either. Takes a certain kind of person to enter MMA, plus I doubt a #1 guy on the planet would have any impact (MMA already has legit black belts trained by the best)

MMA is still harder than boxing. In MMA you have to learn boxing along with the other martial arts. Yea sure brock came in, but he won a couple of fights in the weakest weight class (Dana white gave him the title fight after a win). Ill catch that fight though, thanks for the tip.

No it's not. No one on Earth (unless they were shockingly stupid) would take the pennies MMA fighters receive over the millions upon millions boxing champions make. If boxing was easier, these broke MMA fighters would drop MMA and do that instead. Fighters like Shogun, Brock and Junior dos Santos could never become world champions in boxing. The margin of error is nuts. The gap between good and great boxer is astronomical and the amount and level of competition is insane. MMA isn't inherently easier than boxing it's just that in the infant stage it's at guys can get by on sloppy striking and average grappling as long as they have one or two trump cards like KO power or solid take downs (Shane Carwin and Nik Lentz for example). MMA isn't at the point where being complete and near perfect technique wise is a must for tom competition like it is in boxing.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Because boxing is a dying boring sport and they're just being salty.

Yeah I went there...