Boxing fans...Why do some of you guys hate MMA so much and love to discredit it?

[Master Teacher]

Havent watched mma in a while, but last I checked MMA had the best bjj guys/wrestlers because thats their only outlet. Demian maia, vinny magaielies, and dean lister etc



they have to learn multiple arts (boxing included)

Damian Maia is as great BJJ, but he is not the best in world, there's guys who can school him in BJJ in dojos and also people who are champions in that sport.
That's the point I'm making

Floyd Mayweather is without a doubt the most skilled boxer on the planet

Like you say they train boxing, but that doesn't make them good at it.

They are only a hand full of complete fighters in MMA, you can count them on one hand, and that's why boxing is better right now.

It's more beautiful to watch. A lot of MMA looks sloppy, and this is coming from a fan of the sport.

Bret Rogers went from working at Sam's club with no experience, coming into MMA for few bouts ten to fighting Fedor in a competitive fight he almost won.

Bret Rogers could not have hope into a boxing ring and fight Vitali, he'd get killed.

 

[Juven]

Damian Maia is as great BJJ, but he is not the best in world, there's guys who can school him in BJJ in dojos and also people who are champions in that sport.
That's the point I'm making

Floyd Mayweather is without a doubt the most skilled boxer on the planet

Like you say they train boxing, but that doesn't make them good at it.

They are only a hand full of complete fighters in MMA, you can count them on one hand, and that's why boxing is better right now.

It's more beautiful to watch. A lot of MMA looks sloppy, and this is coming from a fan of the sport.

Bret Rogers went from working at Sam's club with no experience, coming into MMA for few bouts ten to fighting Fedor in a competitive fight he almost won.

Bret Rogers could not have hope into a boxing ring and fight Vitali, he'd get killed.

No one is schooling maia in a dojo. He won the ADCC, which is a tourney that consists of the best grapplers. BJ penn is also a top BJJ practitioner as well as that vinny guy. They dont have to be #1 on the planet, but they are some of the best.

I like to box, but I hate watching it. Nothing much happens. I like MMA more because its a true fight and anything can happen (hate lay and prayers tho). Yeah some of the stand up looks sloppy but it will get better.

I forgot what happened in the fedor fight, but rodgers beat up a couple of cans and hes now done. The smaller gloves allow for more KOs, but if youre a whack fighter, then you will be exposed eventually.

 

[Northern Son]

I'm a fan of both and coming from a more neutral perspective, I honestly think boxing fans dump on MMA, and especially MMA culture, because most MMA fans have made it their life's mission to prove boxing is a "dead" sport and inferior to MMA as a combat sport. Ever since the Ultimate Fighter, internet MMA fans have incessantly trashed other forms of competition (including stick and ball league sports) with boxing being their favourite target (sadly it's mostly because they're just parroting Dana White), as a way to bolster their new sport. Boxing is an enduring sport that's been around for over a century and places a lot of value on tradition and respect for fighters of bygone eras and the arbitrary and ignorant disrespect from MMA fans really offends that sensibility. It's the dismissal of legendary legacies from sport neophytes (let's face it most internet MMA fans only watch MMA) that bothers boxing heads. Most boxing fans didn't care about MMA at all until Dana and his followers started proclaiming boxing dead and MMA the new premier combat sport.

The "white boy" thing comes down to the fact that the UFC's advertising in particular, is very, very Monster Truck-like in nature. The intro PPV theme sounds like a nu-metal song from 2001, they tend to promote mohawked, tatted up brawlers over elite competition (compare the exposure of Dan Hardy and Chris Leben to say, Yushin Okami) and the gear is mostly skulls, dragons, flames, wings etc. Most important however is the fact that a significant portion of the fanbase are indeed xenophobic rednecks who root against foreign and or non-white fighters. Exciting champions like Jon Jones, Cain Velasquez and Anderson Silva are passionately HATED and Chael Sonnen is hailed as a God and most fans seem to live vicariously through him and quote his corny bootlegged jokes all over the internet. MMA fans chanting "USA" every time a white guy is winning a fight (Trevor Prangley, a white South African, got a USA chant in a smaller league) and cheering ugly, technique deficient brawls over technical clinics really looks bad to boxing fans who tend to understand the subtle "science" behind the fighting and value fighter quality over nationality (unless they're Hispanic ). The rednecks and the Sherdog types have made MMA culture look bad and borderline white supremacist to boxing heads.

I get what you're saying though, it would be nice if boxing fans gave MMA a chance. Technical BJJ is often just as exciting as crisp, technical boxing. Loudmouth Dana White declared war on boxing and got MMA fans to join him so many long time boxing fans are instinctively cold towards it. The early disrespect and the pointless claims that MMA fighters would beat boxers put off potential fans forever.

 

[Northern Son]

Boxing is more technical from a plain BOXING perspective

As far as a real FIGHT, you cant just rely on your boxing when you fighting someone who's trained in other Martial Arts...you just cant. You cant say boxing is more technical than MMA because in MMA you gotta defend a takedown, know how to block submissions on the ground, be able to check kicks, know how to handle yourself in a clinch position...with all of those variables, how is boxing more TECHNICAL?...

Pure boxing is way more technical than MMA boxing, but to say boxing is more technical than MMA as a whole is just wrong on many levels

No, boxing is more technical than MMA. Boxing has got to be one of the hardest sports in the world. Brawlers like JDS (yes he's a brawler) would never ever become champion in boxing and definitely you would never see a past his prime, football washout like Lesnar win a world title in three fights. You can bring up his amateur wrestling credentials as proof of his experience but remember that almost every decent boxer has lengthy amateur boxing credentials before they go pro.

Anderson Silva's striking is really not much compared to the best Muay Thai fighters in the world. He wins because everyone else in MMA severely lacks stand up ability and he's also trained in grappling and pure MMA disciplines. He's a good striker, don't get me wrong, but the best MMA fighters are mostly jacks of all trades masters of none with one particular discipline they're better in than others.

The best boxers are by far the best at boxing. They may not be well rounded as martial artists but trust that Mayweather is way better at boxing than say GSP is at anything he does combined. GSP would get killed in any Mundial competition, any world class wrestling competition and any world championship level boxing or kickboxing match. Take into consideration that most MMA guys are only alright in one or two (for example Muay Thai and BJJ or boxing and wrestling) and the GSP's are pretty rare even today. MMA is a decent mix (hence Mixed Martial Arts) of all of those disciplines but few guys are the best at what they do. Even the guys that are tend to be BJJ fighters and BJJ is seriously not an elite competition in the grand scheme of things (WAY smaller and WAY less athletic talent pool than boxing). Only a handful of Olympic wrestlers have ever competed MMA (majority didn't even take it seriously or go full time) and you have K-1 kickboxing champs like Alistair Overeem and Melvin Manhoef (not a champ but he's close to that level) getting knocked out cold by brawlers. That happens maybe 99.9% of the time in boxing because the skill/talent level at the very top is so ridiculously ahead of the the guys at the middle or the bottom.

A guy like Jon Gatti is considered a sloppy slugger in boxing but he'd be looked at as a "technical genius" in MMA or K-1.

 

[Master Teacher]

No, boxing is more technical than MMA. Boxing has got to be one of the hardest sports in the world. Brawlers like JDS (yes he's a brawler) would never ever become champion in boxing and definitely you would never see a past his prime, football washout like Lesnar win a world title in three fights. You can bring up his amateur wrestling credentials as proof of his experience but remember that almost every decent boxer has lengthy amateur boxing credentials before they go pro.

Anderson Silva's striking is really not much compared to the best Muay Thai fighters in the world. He wins because everyone else in MMA severely lacks stand up ability and he's also trained in grappling and pure MMA disciplines. He's a good striker, don't get me wrong, but the best MMA fighters are mostly jacks of all trades masters of none with one particular discipline they're better in than others.

The best boxers are by far the best at boxing. They may not be well rounded as martial artists but trust that Mayweather is way better at boxing than say GSP is at anything he does combined. GSP would get killed in any Mundial competition, any world class wrestling competition and any world championship level boxing or kickboxing match. Take into consideration that most MMA guys are only alright in one or two (for example Muay Thai and BJJ or boxing and wrestling) and the GSP's are pretty rare even today. MMA is a decent mix (hence Mixed Martial Arts) of all of those disciplines but few guys are the best at what they do. Even the guys that are tend to be BJJ fighters and BJJ is seriously not an elite competition in the grand scheme of things (WAY smaller and WAY less athletic talent pool than boxing). Only a handful of Olympic wrestlers have ever competed MMA (majority didn't even take it seriously or go full time) and you have K-1 kickboxing champs like Alistair Overeem and Melvin Manhoef (not a champ but he's close to that level) getting knocked out cold by brawlers. That happens maybe 99.9% of the time in boxing because the skill/talent level at the very top is so ridiculously ahead of the the guys at the middle or the bottom.

A guy like Jon Gatti is considered a sloppy slugger in boxing but he'd be looked at as a "technical genius" in MMA or K-1.

I pretty much agree, I can't even watch K-1, Bas Rutten had the nerve to say those were the best strikers in the world. Man that shyt is even more sloppier than MMA not to mention all of them are juiced out of their minds.

MMA has a long way to go before you can put it next to boxing in competition.

 

[Master Teacher]

No one is schooling maia in a dojo. He won the ADCC, which is a tourney that consists of the best grapplers. BJ penn is also a top BJJ practitioner as well as that vinny guy. They dont have to be #1 on the planet, but they are some of the best.

I like to box, but I hate watching it. Nothing much happens. I like MMA more because its a true fight and anything can happen (hate lay and prayers tho). Yeah some of the stand up looks sloppy but it will get better.

I forgot what happened in the fedor fight, but rodgers beat up a couple of cans and hes now done. The smaller gloves allow for more KOs, but if youre a whack fighter, then you will be exposed eventually.

Check the world rankings in BJJ and then check the all-time greatest rankings, then holler back at me, I'm talking strickly BJJ.

Tito Ortiz and Jon Jones are terrible wrestlers, they did excel at the sport to an elite level, but in the UFC they are hall of famers regarded for their wrestling.

Did you see the Broner fight, if you box how can you not appreciate the dazzling display, the technical destruction of human body he put on, pure class.

I'm saying MMA can't fight or are bums, I'm just saying as a sport Boxing is harder you have to be at an elite level to achieve.

It's gonna take several generations for MMA to evolve into a science like boxing.

 

[Miggs]

I cant take MMA seriously for the same reason i cant take MLS seriously,because they are both in there respective league second and third class athletes in there respective fields...I cant watch certain sports knowing that im a better athlete/fighter than the ppl who are doing it on the tv,ring,field...

I could train for 6 months and dominate MMA in the welterweight division and i would do it with hands and sheer speed,athleticism i wouldnt have to convert to dry humping guys for 10 mins to zap there energy and heterosexuality...

I cant say that about boxing,i cant honestly say i could go in the ring with a legit welterweight or heavyweight or someone of a elite level like PBF and be ok and go toe to toe with them in there realm thats what still makes boxing special is they are elite and far greater than the viewing public in terms of specimen...

Most of these MMA guys are grunts who got sick and tired of getting there asses kicked by boxers and ppl with hands so decided to jump into this sport to dry hump other C level fighters realizing its there only shot to make it in a sport or else they'd have to go back to selling ginsus door to door...

 

[Carlos Huerta]

I love watching boxing and for some reason i loved watching pride, but i cant get myself to enjoy UFC and i actually hate it. I really wish i could but for some reason i cant. If i knew id let you know, but lets get it straight nothing in sports fukks with Big Boxing matches

WHAT big fights?

 

[Master Teacher]

I cant take MMA seriously for the same reason i cant take MLS seriously,because they are both in there respective league second and third class athletes in there respective fields...I cant watch certain sports knowing that im a better athlete/fighter than the ppl who are doing it on the tv,ring,field...

I could train for 6 months and dominate MMA in the welterweight division and i would do it with hands and sheer speed,athleticism i wouldnt have to convert to dry humping guys for 10 mins to zap there energy and heterosexuality...

I cant say that about boxing,i cant honestly say i could go in the ring with a legit welterweight or heavyweight or someone of a elite level like PBF and be ok and go toe to toe with them in there realm thats what still makes boxing special is they are elite and far greater than the viewing public in terms of specimen...

Most of these MMA guys are grunts who got sick and tired of getting there asses kicked by boxers and ppl with hands so decided to jump into this sport to dry hump other C level fighters realizing its there only shot to make it in a sport or else they'd have to go back to selling ginsus door to door...

you taking a little bit too far, if you think you can dominate MMA, you should do it and get paid.

I ain't trying to discredit mma fighters, I'm just saying the product of Boxing is Superior right now as far as Entertainment

Boxing is a sport, a science, the way it is setup, its made to be entertaining and engaging to an audience.

that's why when a big fight happens it is an Event, you see Tiger Woods, Puff Daddy, them type of celebrities come out, shyt be more star studded than the super bowl.

MMA ain't on that level, and might not ever be.

 

[Miggs]

you taking a little bit too far, if you think you can dominate MMA, you should do it and get paid.

I ain't trying to discredit mma fighters, I'm just saying the product of Boxing is Superior right now as far as Entertainment

Boxing is a sport, a science, the way it is setup, its made to be entertaining and engaging to an audience.

that's why when a big fight happens it is an Event, you see Tiger Woods, Puff Daddy, them type of celebrities come out, shyt be more star studded than the super bowl.

MMA ain't on that level, and might not ever be.

breh we saying the same sh1t..look at some of those house shows,some of these MMA guys are ATROCIOUS fighters...a few exceptions but the majority of fighters i have seen have slow hands and bad form all the way around..if they werent able to hug and basically lunge at your knees(weak) they'd get killed...Boxing always has been superior athletes and fighters...

 

[Lakerman0834]

WHAT big fights?

manny pac 4 >>>>any ufc fight this decade

 

[Miggs]

manny pac 4 >>>>any ufc fight this decade

Outside of GSP,Silva,Brock,Jones there is nothing interesting about UFC...These cards where they got Alex Havarti vs Chet Steadman headlining is hilarious...

 

[sfgiants]

@ boxing being more technical than MMA, when all you focus on is striking/defense against strikes and dont have to worry about developing a ground game, kicks, or defending against them as well. theres no threat of getting kicked in the head or continuing to get urass kicked once u hit the ground as well.

dudes saying stupidass sht like "i can train for 5 months and dominate the welterweight division"


fact remains, a mma fighter fighting a boxer in mma rules will make him look worse than a boxer vs mma fighter w/ boxing rules.

i.e, oldass randy couture sonning james toney after all that sht toney was talking.

 

[Master Teacher]

@ boxing being more technical than MMA, when all you focus on is striking/defense against strikes and dont have to worry about developing a ground game, kicks, or defending against them as well. theres no threat of getting kicked in the head or continuing to get urass kicked once u hit the ground as well.

dudes saying stupidass sht like "i can train for 5 months and dominate the welterweight division"


fact remains, a mma fighter fighting a boxer in mma rules will make him look worse than a boxer vs mma fighter w/ boxing rules.

i.e, oldass randy couture sonning james toney after all that sht toney was talking.

Your missing the point, it's not about who can win a fight, that's up for grabs.
Ray Mercer destroyed Tim Silvia who was a CHAMPION just as easily as randy sonned tony's fat ass.

I'm saying boxing just looks better and its better executed period .
It's more entertaining to watch, that's why they make way more money.

The fact they train all that shyt, don't mean they're efficient at that shyt.

I'm watching Vitor fight Anthony Johnson, that shyt looked like a lockeroom brawl in High School

Boxing is about artistry. It's a science to it. The way it is designed as a sport, is more entertaining than MMA.

Only using your hand takes more technical skill, than being able to do another things, when you have more options, you don't have to be as proficient.

that's what I mean by more technical, boxing matches seem more controlled aggression, MMA is pretty wild and unorthodox at times

there's only a hand full for complete mix martial artist period,

 

[Lakerman0834]

@ boxing being more technical than MMA, when all you focus on is striking/defense against strikes and dont have to worry about developing a ground game, kicks, or defending against them as well. theres no threat of getting kicked in the head or continuing to get urass kicked once u hit the ground as well.

dudes saying stupidass sht like "i can train for 5 months and dominate the welterweight division"


fact remains, a mma fighter fighting a boxer in mma rules will make him look worse than a boxer vs mma fighter w/ boxing rules.

i.e, oldass randy couture sonning james toney after all that sht toney was talking.

Your missing the point, it's not about who can win a fight, that's up for grabs.
Ray Mercer destroyed Tim Silvia who was a CHAMPION just as easily as randy sonned tony's fat ass.

I'm saying boxing just looks better and its better executed period .
It's more entertaining to watch, that's why they make way more money.

The fact they train all that shyt, don't mean they're efficient at that shyt.

I'm watching Vitor fight Anthony Johnson, that shyt looked like a lockeroom brawl in High School

Boxing is about artistry. It's a science to it. The way it is designed as a sport, is more entertaining than MMA.

Only using your hand takes more technical skill, than being able to do another things, when you have more options, you don't have to be as proficient.

that's what I mean by more technical, boxing matches seem more controlled aggression, MMA is pretty wild and unorthodox at times

there's only a hand full for complete mix martial artist period,

Theres a reason one is called sweet science. If u actually watch technical boxers youlls be like