Bouncing idea's 🏀: 2024 NBA Off-Season: Key Decisions and Developments

[No1]

the years do not benefit the bulls because they've invested long-term equity in a guy who's literally stagnated since his first offseason. he has no incentive to play for his next contract, no urgency to protect his position, and the bulls have no way to convince anyone else to take on long-term contracts except through attaching picks that they never stockpiled - hampering their own trade flexibility going forward

"if he breaks out" can't be the only convenient math man

The convenient math here is yours - largely the fact that you think your math is the one that matters here and it doesn’t. The Bulls math matters. Your entire argument is based on the underlying idea that he has to get significantly better to move this contract or to be worth it for the bulls. They have dedicated what they believe a player of his caliber will get annually based on his current value in the league and locked him in at that rate for several years. If he doesn’t improve one bit they think he is worth this annually. That’s what you’re struggling to come to grips with - they don’t agree with your valuation. Harrison Barnes averaged 2 more points than him and played worse defense and is making the same money while being much older.

Moreover, he’s 22 and the 5th year is a player option so he does have an incentive to be playing career ball around that time to be able to out for a longer term deal and likely his last shot at real money at 26 years old. This isn’t the deal to be outraged about.

 

[duckbutta]

Another instance of posters thinking that a player is going to turn down offered bread to demand out proven wrong

Turn down the bread...nope

In two years demand a trade from cleveland...probably

 

[No1]

Another instance of posters thinking that a player is going to turn down offered bread to demand out proven wrong

The new wave is to take the money and then ask for a trade.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The new wave is to take the money and then ask for a trade.

It never even made sense anyways why people and the media thought he was going to turn down the extension from Cleveland be traded elsewhere especially since he was always obviously going to opt out. Not to mention the fact that he had already lost out on $100+ million with the trade from Utah.

Take the money now with a potential opt out in the last year and hit free agency for another payday at age 30.

 

[42 Monks]

So how long you been following the Cavs?

if yal are the experts, then explaining why jb was part of the problem for a team that overachieved shouldn't be this hard fr. like what the fukk did he do? is he the reason garland went braindead this year or something?

what more was he, or anyone, supposed to do with this year's cavs team. and since he took over, who was taking them further without personnel control?

The convenient math here is you’re - largely the fact that you think your math is the one that matters here and it doesn’t. The Bulls math matters. Your entire argument is based on the underlying idea that he has to get significantly better to move this contract or to be worth it for the bulls. They have dedicated what they believe a player of his caliber will get annually based on his current value in the league and locked him in at that rate for several years. If he doesn’t improve one bit they think he is worth this annually. That’s what you’re struggling to come to grips with - they don’t agree with your valuation. Harrison Barnes averaged 2 more points than him and played worse defense and is making the same money while being much older.

Moreover, he’s 22 and the 5th year is a player option so he does have an incentive to be playing career ball around that time to be able to out for a longer term deal and likely his last shot at real money at 26 years old. This isn’t the deal to be outraged about.

duh lmao

 

[Morethan1]

 

[Morethan1]

 

[GoldenGlove]

Patrick Williams doesn’t help teams win, puts fans in stands or make people Turn on tv to watch basketball.

The nfl and mlb pay people that actually matter and let the ones that don’t make money that isn’t stupid

If the nba was smart( it’s not) they would collude to depress salaries of the players that don’t generate interest. Give williams 2yr/20 mill deal to prove his worth to league then if he makes an impact, pay him

This is some hating ass shyt. Collude against a 22 year old player to not get paid.



Bulls obviously knew some team would probably offer him more. His value was already depressed due to injuries and his role.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Props, mans made it to his second contract…

Thibbs was trying his fukkin best to sabotage him.. im glad he returned to NY for the payback in the playoffs

 

[djthegreat88]

I fukked up marrying a 5’4” woman

My son gonna be short as hell

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

I fukked up marrying a 5’4” woman

My son gonna be short as hell

Get a side chic who is tall and get her pregnant

 

[GoldenGlove]

the main issue is years - on both parties here

players taking up a certain percentage of the cap to maintain the floor? cool.

if you're the bulls, why commit 5 years to that block of spending for a guy who's made essentially no progress. teams sign bloated 1+1 deals all the time to maintain the salary floor. typically for established guys on top of that.

if you're the player, 5 years basically says you're comfortable and you've no plans of ever betting on yourself. dude was a top 5 pick and he's running from his own money.

Because they still believe...

 

[Flex Grossman]

I have a hard enough time believing he’d leave California for Philly or Orlando. Definitely ain’t doing it for Utah.

 

[Green Ranger]

Darius garland might be outta here

B-B-B-B But everyone told me he not staying in Cleveland & he was either Knicks or Miami bound

 

[Organic Trees]

if yal are the experts, then explaining why jb was part of the problem for a team that overachieved shouldn't be this hard fr. like what the fukk did he do? is he the reason garland went braindead this year or something?

what more was he, or anyone, supposed to do with this year's cavs team. and since he took over, who was taking them further without personnel control?

duh lmao

His constant failure to adjust. Refusal to play or even utilize the bench until injuries happened to the top guys. Not properly utilizing Evan Mobley even though the team, assistant coaches and the front office got on his ass about it. Lack of an offense. George Niang playing over guys like Wade & CPJr. The Cavs are a talented team especially with Mitchell playing Superman most nights. So I’m not sure where you get that the Cavs ‘overachieved’ when in the opinion of majority of Cavs fans is that we underachieved. Bickerstaff is a good dude and he’ll help the Pistons develop a culture and make some of their guys better defensively but that’s where it will end.

People keep saying he lead us to the playoffs when it was actually Mitchell being all nba, Garland stepping up before getting his jaw broke, Allen/Mobley & Okoro anchoring the defense with Strus having an impact while on the floor.

Edit: ‍ kickin in