Bone Thugs E. 1999 Eternal-Top 5 Album of All Time

[mobbinfms]

It's not about Spotify not existing when that song came out. It gave them relevance, which goes a long way when streaming became a thing.

Bone going platinum in 2000 is small chips to a group that was consistently going multi-platinum, which definitely means they were dwindling in popularity.

Then it should go a long way for Bone as well who had an equally bigger single on Billboard that also went Platinum and a gold album.
Yes, they were dwindling in popularity, but their low point in popularity was Mobb’s peak. Any objective observer would look at that and conclude that Bone’s present day streaming numbers would greatly outpace Mobb, unless Bone receded with time or Mobb became more prominent by something outrageous like a factor of ten.

 

[JustCKing]

Wu was never bigger than Bone. Unless you want to count the initial solos, and then you would have to add the solo streaming numbers, but that gets messy.
Hammer is the poster boy for not standing the test of time. You are proving the point that The streaming numbers show that Bone has not stood the test of time. They have receded with time.

Wu was still one of the biggest groups in the 90's. They sold like 600K in one week in 1997. Wu Tang Forever and Art of War both dropped in 1997 and both went 4X platinum.

Breh, are you really on this stood the test of time shtick. Today, Hammer's "Can't Touch This" video has 703 million views.

Streaming numbers show nothing more than Bone has 4.2 million monthly listeners and their top 5 most listened to songs. And the crazy part about your argument is you're ONLY using Spotify numbers when there's mire platforms than Spotify.

 

[JustCKing]

Then it should go a long way for Bone as well who had an equally bigger single on Billboard that also went Platinum and a gold album.
Yes, they were dwindling in popularity, but their low point in popularity was Mobb’s peak. Any objective observer would look at that and conclude that Bone’s present day streaming numbers would greatly outpace Mobb, unless Bone receded with time or Mobb became more prominent by something outrageous like a factor of ten.

They weren't going to outpace Mobb or any of their contemporaries because they dwindled. And yes, Mobb Deep definitely got a boost. Again, they have a song in the climax in a popular movie that still gets played on television. It isn't a coincidence that "Shook Ones Pt. 2" is their most streamed song. And on top of that, they were affiliated with Em via signing to G Unit.

 

[JustCKing]

So past commercial activity and style of music doesn’t set expectations?
If so, you would agree that nothing concrete says that Jay Z should be out streaming Gangstarr?
Do you see how your logic is faltering here?

There are literally no expectations in regard to streaming. Those numbers are all over the place. Amd no there's nothing concrete that says anyone should be outstreaming anyone. Michael Jackson is the biggest artist EVER. Look up his streaming numbers. He has the biggest selling album ever. Please tell me his music isn't timeless and that all of these artists who have higher streaming numbers have music that is more timeless.

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, are you really on this stood the test of time shtick.

Pretending that streaming numbers have nothing to do with whether an artist has stood the test of time is the “shtick”.

Wu was still one of the biggest groups in the 90's. They sold like 600K in one week in 1997. Wu Tang Forever and Art of War both dropped in 1997 and both went 4X platinum.

Without a doubt Wu was one of the biggest. But Bone had the 4x EP and the 4x album. Before the double LP. That’s why I say they were bigger. Plus Crossroads was #1 for weeks.

Streaming numbers show nothing more than Bone has 4.2 million monthly listeners and their top 5 most listened to songs.

Which is highly relevant data

And the crazy part about your argument is you're ONLY using Spotify numbers when there's mire platforms than Spotify.

Spotify is what I use. I don’t think the other streaming platforms release similar data. Share it if they do and you have access to it.
The more data the better.

 

[TheAnointedOne]

Their falloff is crazy. People today don't really care for Bone Thugs anymore.

I personally think their music is fukking godly. Same league as Michael Jackson and 2Pac.

 

[JustCKing]

Pretending that streaming numbers have nothing to do with whether an artist has stood the test of time is the “shtick”.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether an artist has stood the test of time.

Without a doubt Wu was one of the biggest. But Bone had the 4x EP and the 4x album. Before the double LP. That’s why I say they were bigger. Plus Crossroads was #1 for weeks.

Wu only had ONE album as a group before they dropped in 1997. By 1997, one could conclude they were at least on equal footing.

Which is highly relevant data

It isn't relevant AT ALL to the discussion at hand. It literally has nothing to do with whether E. 1999 is a Top 5 album.

Spotify is what I use. I don’t think the other streaming platforms release similar data. Share it if they do and you have access to it.
The more data the better.

Then it's already biased because you're basing it on what YOU use. And even sharing that information from other platforms proves nothing. Even bigger, is that the data from streaming is still fresh. Even the industry is having to still adjust to how this data applies. None of this information is concrete.

 

[mobbinfms]

They weren't going to outpace Mobb or any of their contemporaries because they dwindled. And yes, Mobb Deep definitely got a boost.

This makes zero sense.
It also contradicts what you’ve written elsewhere that there are zero expectations with regard to present day streaming. You agreed that there is no way to know whether Jay Z would out stream Gangstarr in 2022.
Here you are arguing that Bone wouldn’t outpace Mobb in 2022 because their albums in 2000 and 99 performed similarly, which was a high point for Mobb and a low point for Bone. Put to the side that Bone massively outsold them in the mid 90s. You are twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting what is obvious for reasons unbeknownst to me.

 

[mobbinfms]

There are literally no expectations in regard to streaming.

That’s delusional. I dont see how we can continue this discussion if we can’t agree on a basic fact like that.

 

[mobbinfms]

There are literally no expectations in regard to streaming. Those numbers are all over the place. Amd no there's nothing concrete that says anyone should be outstreaming anyone. Michael Jackson is the biggest artist EVER. Look up his streaming numbers. He has the biggest selling album ever. Please tell me his music isn't timeless and that all of these artists who have higher streaming numbers have music that is more timeless.

Which of Michaels contemporaries are out streaming him? I checked the Beatles, Eagles, Rolling Stones, Prince and Madonna and he outstreams all of them. Is there a huge pop star from the 80s I’m forgetting?

 

[mobbinfms]

Their falloff is crazy. People today don't really care for Bone Thugs anymore.

I personally think their music is fukking godly. Same league as Michael Jackson and 2Pac.

@JustCKing
This is exactly what I’m saying. The streaming data backs up the sentiment.

 

[mobbinfms]

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether an artist has stood the test of time.



Wu only had ONE album as a group before they dropped in 1997. By 1997, one could conclude they were at least on equal footing.



It isn't relevant AT ALL to the discussion at hand. It literally has nothing to do with whether E. 1999 is a Top 5 album.



Then it's already biased because you're basing it on what YOU use. And even sharing that information from other platforms proves nothing. Even bigger, is that the data from streaming is still fresh. Even the industry is having to still adjust to how this data applies. None of this information is concrete.

Wait? What is the bias exactly?

 

[JustCKing]

This makes zero sense.
It also contradicts what you’ve written elsewhere that there are zero expectations with regard to present day streaming. You agreed that there is no way to know whether Jay Z would out stream Gangstarr in 2022.
Here you are arguing that Bone wouldn’t outpace Mobb in 2022 because their albums in 2000 and 99 performed similarly, which was a high point for Mobb and a low point for Bone. Put to the side that Bone massively outsold them in the mid 90s. You are twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting what is obvious for reasons unbeknownst to me.

You aren't getting it because you're randomly conpating two groups and one of those groups is yout favorite. You aren't making any sense. Bone outsold Mobb in the '90's. By the 00's, Bone had one last album that went platinum. Then they had one gold album. HUGE fall off of a group that was once one of the biggest groups in Hip Hop rivaled only by Wu. It's not rocket science.

It was ridiculous to compare Gangstarr to Jay because Jay didn't have the fall off and he has new music (as late as 2017) that still sells.

 

[JustCKing]

Wait? What is the bias exactly?

You just sat there and said the streaming service YOU use.

 

[JustCKing]

@JustCKing
This is exactly what I’m saying. The streaming data backs up the sentiment.

The streaming doesn't back that sentiment. Bone's decline started BEFORE there ever was a streaming service. It says nothing about how people feel about an E. 1999 Eternal. People could've written Bone off a decades ago and still consider that particular album to be timeless. It is possible to like past music from an artist and not really check for anything else from that artist at all.