It isn't relevant in terms of what is timeless and what isn't. We both know if this was an exchange in which the numbers weren't in favor of Mobb Deep, these numbers would suddenly hold no value. Like say for instance, I argued that Missy Elliott's discography was more timeless than Mobb's because she has 2 million more monthly listeners and multiple songs that exceed 100 million plays.
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It isn't relevant in terms of what is timeless and what isn't. We both know if this was an exchange in which the numbers weren't in favor of Mobb Deep, these numbers would suddenly hold no value. Like say for instance, I argued that Missy Elliott's discography was more timeless than Mobb's because she has 2 million more monthly listeners and multiple songs that exceed 100 million plays.
I’m surprised Warren G is out streaming Bone as well
Joe > Ja > Warren makes perfect sense.
Warren peaked in 94.
Ja peaked in 2002, when hip hop had an overall larger audience and more mainstream penetration. He was also bigger than Warren commercially, although 94 to 02 isn’t apples to apples.
Joe was actually still relevant going all the way to 2016 with All The Way Up and we know that current shyt out streams old shyt.
It doesn't matter that 90's albums get a fraction of streaming activity. The fact is, you made it a point that the streams indicated how timeless the music is. Those five albums are the most streamed of any 90's albums, which according to you would mean they are more timeless. We weren't talking about trends. You made it a point to stress that Bone's music wasn't as timeless because they had less streams than Mobb Deep. If that is the case, one could conclude that those five albums (2001, Life After Death, Ready To Die, and All Eyez On Me) are the most timeless Hip Hop albums of the 90's if the streams indeed indicate how timeless an artist, song, or album is.
Like I said earlier, context matters.
Missy was a much larger commercial artist who had a long run and made mainstream club and radio friendly shyt. She is supposed to be out streaming Mobb Deep by a factor of at least 3x and have multiple songs out streaming Shook Ones. The fact that she isn’t, speaks to how timeless Mobb’s shyt is
I’m surprised Warren G is out streaming Bone as well
Joe > Ja > Warren makes perfect sense.
Warren peaked in 94.
Ja peaked in 2002, when hip hop had an overall larger audience and more mainstream penetration. He was also bigger than Warren commercially, although 94 to 02 isn’t apples to apples.
Joe was actually still relevant going all the way to 2016 with All The Way Up and we know that current shyt out streams old shyt.
And this post plays to my point. Bone peaked commercially in the 90's just like Warren did in '94 even though he sold more copies in '94-'95 than Fat Joe did in nearly two decades of his career. Ja Rule was outperforming Joe in the 90's and during the early '00's. Fat Joe has more streams because he has more recent hits. Same goes for Mobb Deep. When Bone was dwindling in popularity during the late '90's, Mobb was still peaking. Again, their biggest record commercially (albeit feature) came in 2005.
Everything can be faked. Except ICP sales/certifications
Like I said earlier, context matters.
Missy was a much larger commercial artist who had a long run and made mainstream club and radio friendly shyt. She is supposed to be out streaming Mobb Deep by a factor of at least 3x and have multiple songs out streaming Shook Ones. The fact that she isn’t, speaks to how timeless Mobb’s shyt is
That's not what you said. Nothing concrete says that Missy should be out streaming a Mobb Deep if streaming directly correlates to timelessness according to you. And you're pulling factors out of your hat.
Everything can be faked. Except ICP sales/certifications
Yep. ICP certifications are undercounted because it costs money to track. They should have more platinum albums than what's listed.
I explained to you right when you first brought up this list that you had to look at context. I said you would have to look at more underground albums and see how they perform versus expectation.
You can’t just look at Bone’s streaming numbers in a vacuum. There is no way to know whether they are streaming a lot or a little. You have to compare them to other similar artists.
Can you identify an artist that was bigger than Bone in the 90s who now streams the same or less?
You might have a point here, except the Outta Control remix isn’t one of Mobb Deep’s five most popular records on Spotify. Temperatures Rising is #5 with over 20 million streams, so it has less than that.
Not to mention that Spotify didn’t exist in 2005 but did in 2016 when Joes record dropped.
Also, Bone dwindling in popularity was a platinum album in 2000 that debuted at #2. Just slightly better than Murda Muzik.
It's not about Spotify not existing when that song came out. It gave them relevance, which goes a long way when streaming became a thing.
Bone going platinum in 2000 is small chips to a group that was consistently going multi-platinum, which definitely means they were dwindling in popularity.
Remember when I posted about about Survival of the Fittest having more streams than Crossroads? Despite Crossroads being number one for multiple weeks and Survival not being top 40? That Crossroads should have ten times the streaming numbers as Survival?
You should. It was the first post of mine in this thread you quoted. That’s context.
Then when you posted the top 100 list and asked if that meant that those four albums were the most timeless of the 90s I responded by saying we would have to compare to more underground albums as well to see how they performed compared to expectations to see. That’s context.
So past commercial activity and style of music doesn’t set expectations?
If so, you would agree that nothing concrete says that Jay Z should be out streaming Gangstarr?
Do you see how your logic is faltering here?
Wu was never bigger than Bone. Unless you want to count the initial solos, and then you would have to add the solo streaming numbers, but that gets messy.
Hammer is the poster boy for not standing the test of time. You are proving the point that The streaming numbers show that Bone has not stood the test of time. They have receded with time.