Bone Thugs E. 1999 Eternal-Top 5 Album of All Time

[mobbinfms]

None of this has anything to do with how timeless that music is though especially comparing one artist to another. There's all kinds of factors that affect that data.

That’s fair. But even if the powers that be are engaged in a vast conspiracy to boost Mobb Deep streaming numbers, at the end of the day, the conspiracy is working and Bone has greatly diminished over the years while Mobb Deep’s legacy has grown stronger and Coolio is about where you would expect him to be.

Why would comparing artists not be fair with regard to evaluating how the music has held up over time?

 

[JustCKing]

That’s fair. But even if the powers that be are engaged in a vast conspiracy to boost Mobb Deep streaming numbers, at the end of the day, the conspiracy is working and Bone has greatly diminished over the years while Mobb Deep’s legacy has grown stronger and Coolio is about where you would expect him to be.

Why would comparing artists not be fair with regard to evaluating how the music has held up over time?

Put it this way, these are the most streamed albums from the 90's:

• Chronic 2001
• All Eyez On Me
• Ready To Die
• Life After Death

The 100 Most Streamed Hip Hop Albums of All Time - Beats, Rhymes & Lists

Those are the only 90's albums to appear on the list of the Top 100 most streamed Hip Hop albums. Does this mean those are the most timeless 90's albums? Does this mean those albums are more timeless than every other album released in the 90's?

 

[mobbinfms]

Put it this way, these are the most streamed albums from the 90's:

• Chronic 2001
• All Eyez On Me
• Ready To Die
• Life After Death

The 100 Most Streamed Hip Hop Albums of All Time - Beats, Rhymes & Lists

Those are the only 90's albums to appear on the list of the Top 100 most streamed Hip Hop albums. Does this mean those are the most timeless 90's albums? Does this mean those albums are more timeless than every other album released in the 90's?

It doesn’t surprise me that those are the top 4. All were commercial behemoths in real time and have stood the test of time. Are they the most timeless albums of the 90s? That’s tough to say because you’d have to compare them to albums that were far less commercially successful and evaluate how those albums performed versus expectations.
I will say this, one would expect E.1999 to be among the four you mentioned, given how populate Bone and that album were in real time, but because that album, and Bone, hasn’t stood the test of time, it’s not.

 

[JustCKing]

It doesn’t surprise me that those are the top 4. All were commercial behemoths in real time and have stood the test of time. Are they the most timeless albums of the 90s? That’s tough to say because you’d have to compare them to albums that were far less commercially successful and evaluate how those albums performed versus expectations.
I will say this, one would expect E.1999 to be among the four you mentioned, given how populate Bone and that album were in real time, but because that album, and Bone, hasn’t stood the test of time, it’s not.

That doesn't mean the album hasn't stood the test of time. In fact, I would expect The Chronic to be among those albums as it was huge commercially and widely considered better than its sequel. It doesn't appear on this list though. Doggystyle isn't there either. 400 Degreez? Vol. 2? It's Dark and Hell Is Hot? And Then There Was X? Puff's No Way Out?

 

[mobbinfms]

That doesn't mean the album hasn't stood the test of time. In fact, I would expect The Chronic to be among those albums as it was huge commercially and widely considered better than its sequel. It doesn't appear on this list though. Doggystyle isn't there either. 400 Degreez? Vol. 2? It's Dark and Hell Is Hot? And Then There Was X? Puff's No Way Out?

The Chronic and Doggystyle aren’t on streaming.
Juvenile streams less than Bone. Back That Azz Up has about 130 million streams though. That’s another example of a very big artist in real time who’s music hasn’t stood the test of time.
X and Puff both have about 8-9 million monthly Spotify listeners.
X Gon Give It To Ya has over 500 million streams. Party Up has about 225 million. I bet And Then There Was X isn’t much further down that list.
I would expect Big to outstream Puff.
Aren’t you surprised Bone doesn’t have higher Spotify numbers?

 

[JustCKing]

The Chronic and Doggystyle aren’t on streaming.
Juvenile streams less than Bone. Back That Azz Up has about 130 million streams though. That’s another example of a very big artist in real time who’s music hasn’t stood the test of time.
X and Puff both have about 8-9 million monthly Spotify listeners.
X Gon Give It To Ya has over 500 million streams. Party Up has about 225 million. I bet And Then There Was X isn’t much further down that list.
I would expect Big to outstream Puff.
Aren’t you surprised Bone doesn’t have higher Spotify numbers?

None of this has anything to do with being time tested. Juvenile wasn't necessarily a big artist as much as he was an artist that had one album that was huge. 400 Degreez is considered classic. It doesn't matter how many monthly streams they have, neither have albums that are on that list.

I am not surprised by Bone's absence on that list as there A LOT of albums that were commercial smashes that are classic that are not there.

 

[mobbinfms]

Juvenile wasn't necessarily a big artist as much as he was an artist that had one album that was huge. 400 Degreez is considered classic. It doesn't matter how many monthly streams they have, neither have albums that are on that list.

I see your point about Juvenile being more of an artist with one huge album, but he did come back in 2004 with more hits, one of which was #1 on Billboard. So I would expect him to stream more than Mobb Deep.
The list has little to no statistical relevance for 90s albums/artists. It’s basically a top 4 list for 90s albums. A top 100 list for just 90s albums would be of statistical relevance.
Monthly streams is vita data as it shows us how many people are streaming an artist currently. It’s far more important than knowing what the top 4 90s hip hop albums of all time are.

 

[mobbinfms]

I am not surprised by Bone's absence on that list as there A LOT of albums that were commercial smashes that are classic that are not there.

I actually asked you a different question. Aren’t you surprised that Bone’s Spotify numbers aren’t higher?
The list is of no consequence here as it , for our purposes, is a top 4 list of 90s hip hop albums.

 

[JustCKing]

I see your point about Juvenile being more of an artist with one huge album, but he did come back in 2004 with more hits, one of which was #1 on Billboard. So I would expect him to stream more than Mobb Deep.
The list has little to no statistical relevance for 90s albums/artists. It’s basically a top 4 list for 90s albums. A top 100 list for just 90s albums would be of statistical relevance.
Monthly streams is vita data as it shows us how many people are streaming an artist currently. It’s far more important than knowing what the top 4 90s hip hop albums of all time are.

I wouldn't expect Juve to stream higher than Mobb Deep, because while he had hits, even a #1, after 400 Degreez, he still only had that ONE album that was huge.

The list holds a lot of statistical relevance as it pertains to our discussion. If these streams were a measure of how timeless the music is as you proposed, those four albums that made the list are the MOST timeless albums of the 90's according to Spotify streams.

And if we're going by monthly listeners, you'd be shocked to see the numbers for some artists from the 90's.

 

[JustCKing]

I actually asked you a different question. Aren’t you surprised that Bone’s Spotify numbers aren’t higher?
The list is of no consequence here as it , for our purposes, is a top 4 list of 90s hip hop albums.

I'm not shocked at their numbers. Bone peaked in the 90's with an EP and a full length album. They had Art of War as well, but they had peaked by that point. It wasn't the same after that. This is a group that was multi-platinum throughout the 90's that floundered in the '00's.

 

[mobbinfms]

I wouldn't expect Juve to stream higher than Mobb Deep, because while he had hits, even a #1, after 400 Degreez, he still only had that ONE album that was huge.

400 went 4 times platinum. The follow up was platinum. The album with slow motion was platinum. A few other albums went platinum with the last one being in 2006. Mobb never went past platinum. Only one of their albums was platinum in real time. Their last plaque was in 2001.
Mobb wasn’t on the same commercial level as Juve.
What are the factors that lead you to believe Mobb would outstream Juve?

 

[mobbinfms]

The list holds a lot of statistical relevance as it pertains to our discussion. If these streams were a measure of how timeless the music is as you proposed, those four albums that made the list are the MOST timeless albums of the 90's according to Spotify streams.

The list doesn’t even contain 5 90s albums.
There isn’t enough relevant data on the list to talk about 90s albums.
What does the list tell you about Bone or E.1999 and how it compares to Mobb or any Mobb album?

 

[mobbinfms]

And if we're going by monthly listeners, you'd be shocked to see the numbers for some artists from the 90's.

I know.

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm not shocked at their numbers. Bone peaked in the 90's with an EP and a full length album. They had Art of War as well, but they had peaked by that point. It wasn't the same after that. This is a group that was multi-platinum throughout the 90's that floundered in the '00's.

Bone has a little comeback in 2006 or 2007 as I recall.
Commercially, Mobb Deep didn’t get a plaque after 2001. They were never close to as big as Bone in the 90s. The trajectory is similar, so why are they out streaming Bone now?

 

[JustCKing]

400 went 4 times platinum. The follow up was platinum. The album with slow motion was platinum. A few other albums went platinum with the last one being in 2006. Mobb never went past platinum. Only one of their albums was platinum in real time. Their last plaque was in 2001.
Mobb wasn’t on the same commercial level as Juve.
What are the factors that lead you to believe Mobb would outstream Juve?

Because while Juve sold more records, it was largely due to the one album. After 400 Degreez, he had an album that went platinum, a gold album, and another platinum album in 2004.

Mobb Deep has a song that is featured in the climax of a huge movie. Taking nothing away from "Shook Ones Pt. 2", but it being featured in the height of that movie put new ears onto that song and Mobb Deep even if it was just the instrumental.