"Black people were better off during the Jim Crow era"-the coli

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Now post the OOW birth and incarceration rates. Of course if you take the unemployed and unemployable and throw them in prison for 20x the amount of time whites get (as was often the case with crack vs. powder cocaine) you "poverty rate" will go down. I would be much interested to see those charts boss.

Nah you do it.

Hint: the incarceration rate's effect on the poverty rate has already been addressed in the thread.

Also, see my post #37 in this thread about how and why being under the poverty line today is much better than it was 60+ years ago.

 

[NERO]

Nah you do it.

Hint: the incarceration rate's effect on the poverty rate has already been addressed in the thread.

Also, see my post #37 in this thread about how and why being under the poverty line today is much better than it was 60+ years ago.

I've fukkin lived it man. My family has gone from the great migration to the civil rights movement to the heroin and crack epidemics, to mass incarceration and to the black flight from the inner city over the last 60-70 years. There is no rational basis to claim the black family is in better condition now than pre-jim crow. NONE. ZERO. I ask for some context and now you want me to provide it. I didn't make this fukking thread. OP is weaving a false narrative and expects the reader to suck that shyt up and swallow it. The Black family unit has disintegrated since those days. I'll take whole families and 1950s style poverty over this shyt we have going on in 2016 any day of the week. Don't try to piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

I will humor you and provide a couple charts though since you asked nicely.

This is what poverty looks like. The definition of poverty has changed dramatically over the last 50-100 years to make things look better than they are but you can;t jazz up a broken home or a broken man with time varying "poverty" graphs. What's happening is fukking sick and needs to stop. There has been some small improvement in these numbers over the last few years but in general we got issues that need fixing and some cac or jew who doesn't give a solitary fukk about black men or the black community in general other than to give us directions to the nearest planned parenthood telling me things are better when they are clearly not is unacceptable to me.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I've fukkin lived it man. My family has gone from the great migration to the civil rights movement to the heroin and crack epidemics, to mass incarceration and to the black flight from the inner city over the last 60-70 years. There is no rational basis to claim the black family is in better condition now than pre-jim crow. NONE. ZERO. I ask for some context and now you want me to provide it. I didn't make this fukking thread. OP is weaving a false narrative and expects the reader to suck that shyt up and swallow it. The Black family unit has disintegrated since those days. I'll take whole families and 1950s style poverty over this shyt we have going on in 2016 any day of the week. Don't try to piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

I will humor you and provide a couple charts though since you asked nicely.

This is what poverty looks like. The definition of poverty has changed dramatically over the last 50-100 years to make things look better than they are but you can;t jazz up a broken home or a broken man with time varying "poverty" graphs. What's happening is fukking sick and needs to stop.

Most nikkas that were incarcerated on a mass scale for pushin doing the 80s and 90s were below the poverty line to begin with

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Double

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Servers

 

[NERO]

Two more c00ns/undercover disinfo agents(same shyt) just got that block action. Who else wants some?

 

[NERO]

Two more c00ns/undercover disinfo agents(same shyt) just got that block action. Who else wants some?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I'm still at this thread

Yes the standard of living is better for us obviously.

But I still don't feel comfortable about being all about integration because it gives the impression that we have this innate desire to be around white folk whereas the real point about integration was closing the access gap

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I'm still at this thread

Yes the standard of living is better for us obviously.

But I still don't feel comfortable about being all about integration because it gives the impression that we have this innate desire to be around white folk whereas the real point about integration was closing the access gap

 

[Fillerguy]

Go around and ask old black people who remember the 50's and 60's were things better back then.

And this is the main reason the the folks who say this nonsense are by default c00ns or against Black people. I've heard powerful stories from aunt and uncles who arent even that old. My grandparents told horror stories from the South and North states. And my great grandma her family was practically slaves aka sharecroppers, Black neighbors would just go missing (SC,NC) after getting into arguments with whites or the law.... those who could pass for white (her brother and his friends), would do it to get the fukk out


A 20 something 2016 negro would last a year in the 1960s south.

 

[H.I.M.]

Awful thread from a non-black poster who's people benefited from the civil rights act faaaaaaar more than ours did. So this view isn't suprising coming from his vantage point.

For 1...the black poverty rate was around 40-45% by 1960

https://core.ac.uk/download/files/153/9312121.pdf
https://books.google.com/books?id=N...A#v=onepage&q=white poverty rate 1940&f=false
America in Black and White

down 40-47% from the black poverty rate (87%) in 1940

The civil rights act had NOTHING to do with the reduction in black poverty rate

Blacks made more gains in reducing their poverty level and other quality of life metrics, such as, life expectancy, literacy rate, home ownership, closing the wage gap etc. BEFORE the civil rights act passed than afterwards.

the comparative poverty rate between blacks & whites are the same in 1960 as they are today.

3x more blacks lived in poverty compared to whites in 1960...just like today.

What's in the OP take into account the white poverty was 3x what it was then, as it is today...i guess he's crediting the civil rights act for that too.

Blacks actually made more gains in closing the poverty gap with whites from 1940-60 than they did from 1960-present.

Same with life expectancy, home ownership, wage gap etc.

Just about every single comparative quality of life metric for blacks has either stagnated or regressed since we accepted the destruction and abandonment of all of our industries & infrastructure (via the civil rights act) that we built up in such a short time ...as well as the our sense of community

 

[54321]

True Indeed! I want to make "Black America Great Again!".

Life was so much better & simple in Black America back in the day when Black America was separated & showed Black-On-Black Love to each other on a Daily Basis 100% 24/7 365.

I remember when Black America use to adhere to the platform "What's Yours Is Mines & What's Mines Is Yours!".

I'm not saying that it's not no (Black/African American) U.S. Citizens that don't adhere to that platform in this Era but it's not many like it use to be back in the day.

Black Separation Is The Best & Only Solution!

The Problem Wasn't With Separation, The Problem Was With Separation But Unequal!

The Pro-Black Supporters (Black Separatists) don't speak for The Pro-Interracial Supporters (Non-Black Separatists) & The Pro-Interracial Supporters (Non-Black Separatists) don't speak for The Pro-Black Supporters (Black Separatists).

Black America wouldn't have to deal with The White Devils under no circumstances if we was separated & published our own Resources such as: (Our Own Courtrooms For Justice, Our Own Economic System For Employment, & The List Goes On Etc) to govern Black America.

Black America didn't need to integrate to receive Resources because We only needed our own Resources such as: (Our Own Courtrooms For Justice, Our Own Economic System For Employment, & The List Goes On Etc).

 

[H.I.M.]

And this is the main reason the the folks who say this nonsense are by default c00ns or against Black people. I've heard powerful stories from aunt and uncles who arent even that old. My grandparents told horror stories from the South and North states. And my great grandma her family was practically slaves aka sharecroppers, Black neighbors would just go missing (SC,NC) after getting into arguments with whites or the law.... those who could pass for white (her brother and his friends), would do it to get the fukk out


A 20 something 2016 negro would last a year in the 1960s south.

People have differing experiences from that era...just like post-civil rights isn't all kumbaya and racial harmony that was sold to us (see: the skyrocketed black incarceration rate & annual police killings since the civil rights acts passed) everything wasn't all the way terrible in our own truly black run communities (unlike what we have today)...my grandparents grew up in 1940/50's DC in a now notorious neighborhood (for all the wrong reasons) called "barry farms"...this was a neighborhood where you could once leave your doors unlocked, go out for a stroll at any time of the night without being robbed/shot...

today though?

here's a glimpse of what i'm talking about in description of an even wealthier BLACK RUN part of the city from the time period...

This summer the New York Times ran a devastating three-part series on the city of Washington that confirmed what those who live there already know: the District, particularly in its predominantly black areas, “is falling apart.” Dramatic though it is, this decline is a relatively recent phenomenon. From the turn of the century until the race riots of 1968, Washington contained the largest black professional community in the United States. By 1920 a 40-block portion of the city, an area now known as the Shaw neighborhood, boasted more than 300 black-owned businesses, including the Ford, Howard, and Dabney movie theaters, a large hotel, three black-owned banks (one, the Industrial Savings Bank, with nearly $500,000 on deposit), black newspapers and pharmacies, a number of successful undertaking businesses, cabarets, billiard clubs, and Ware’s, a black-owned and -managed department store. The Murray Palace Casino, located on U Street, was one of the city’s first concrete-reinforced buildings and could accommodate 1,800 people. The neighborhood rivaled Harlem as a center of American black enterprise and culture. “You had to wear a tie to walk down U Street,” recalls one elderly resident.


Black Washingtonians were proud of what they had created. In 1921 the Washington Bee, the city’s largest black paper, editorialized that the growth of black business in Washington, “more than anything else, marks real and prominent racial progress.” The thriving business district was a symbol of what blacks could achieve. As one longtime resident of the area put it in 1988, “If you were on U Street, you didn’t need to go anywhere else. It was all right there for you. Blacks had a society put together on this street.”

 

[BrandonBanks]

People in here are being really obtuse. The civil rights movement and results up to now weren't perfect, it's ok, it wasn't meant to be and it'll take many more years to fix the injustices done and occurring towards black people. It's ok to criticize or examine the results thus far, it's how you improve. Most people I've heard or seen write are critical about the after affects of the black community. I've never heard anyone say blacks had it easier or that segregation of facilities like restrooms/ transportation was better. Never.

The few people I've heard voice criticisms are talking about the unity of the black community back then versus now. Yes it appeared to be more united but people oversimplified it. They were more united because they had no choice.

Overall I'm fine with the criticism even when it's disrespectful, it creates dialogue and reminds us that there's much more that needs to be done. The problem with this site is many of y'all think you're smarter than everyone else and like to belittle people with differing opinions. I'm pretty sure people who were criticizing Jim Crow back then were told to shut up at let they're not slaves anymore. We should never be complacent.

And screw being a community of worker bees, yes we need to own more businesses and production. How many news reports, articles, and whatnot do we need to hear about how difficult it is for black people to secure internships, employment, proper pay, etc. Not everyone will or wants to own a business but let those who want to aspire to do so. That will definitely improve our community, every other race/group hires themselves first and gives their own breaks. We can too if we own businesses.

EXACTLY! Thank you

 

[b_low_brown]

Atleast they told us how they really felt back then