Black Muslims: This don't plauge yo mind?

[Type Username Here]

So if the evidence is so conclusive, why isn't Muhammad widely regarded as being a white man?

He is widely regarded as being of light skin complexion. Even some Muslims in here have admitted it to being so.

I think you keep confusing white skin with being European. Knowing you grew up in America, I can understand why.

But then again you're the same idiot who thinks that there are greeks and italians as dark as the average Indian.

Huh? Are you stupid? This is definitely true in some cases. Just like there are darker Indians than some Africans.

You act like I said Scandinavians or some shyt.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Depictions of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm trying to find you where I read about his family commissioning artwork. It had something to do with Ali.

wiki fukkin pedia..lmao.

forget it man..

 

[Type Username Here]

There were several portraits of him done within 100 years of his life. Those are relatively well-documented by early Muslim historians. Secular or not, we can both agree- it's hard to stop people from making images. The same thing happened in Buddhism- Buddha also explicitly stated that no one was to create images of him (or make him into a deity) after his death, but almost as soon as he died, the images started popping up.

Thank you. Their argument has now resorted to historical revision and delusion.

 

[Type Username Here]

wiki fukkin pedia..lmao.

forget it man..

I have seen you site Wikipedia articles many times on here Tua. Don't even come with that shyt.

Both sides of this argument have been citing Wikis.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I have seen you site Wikipedia articles many times on here Tua. Don't even come with that shyt.

Both sides of this argument have been citing Wikis.

does this mean shyt is true or at least true to the source?

You are a very smart and good looking fukker so come better!

 

[GetInTheTruck]

There were several portraits of him done within 100 years of his life. Those are relatively well-documented by early Muslim historians. Secular or not, we can both agree- it's hard to stop people from making images. The same thing happened in Buddhism- Buddha also explicitly stated that no one was to create images of him (or make him into a deity) after his death, but almost as soon as he died, the images started popping up. It seems to be a deep-seated practice.

Yeah but where are they then? That's all I'm saying. There isn't enough evidence to conclude that Muhammad was "a white man." just because the hadeeth describe him as being of relatively fair complexion compared to his peers doesn't make him racially "white" in the same sense as a European is considered "white." That's absurd.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

btw i believe the prophet was a pale/light shade man.

The tribes of arabia were of mixed and various complexions/features.

 

[Type Username Here]

does this mean shyt is true or at least true to the source?

The source in the wiki says it's an early hadith.

You are a very smart and good looking fukker so come better!

Thank you friend. I remember when my picture was floating around SOHH you complimented me on my looks and physique. My wife is a very lucky woman.

 

[The Real]

Yeah but where are they then? That's all I'm saying. There isn't enough evidence to conclude that Muhammad was "a white man." just because the hadeeth describe him as being of relatively fair complexion compared to his peers doesn't make him racially "white" in the same sense as a European is considered "white." That's absurd.

I personally don't know where they are. There may not be any that have been preserved. But the historical records we have do note that images were being produced back then.

Another important point is that the Quran itself doesn't explicitly ban images of prophets- that's only one interpretation of the anti-idolatry verses. Though the anti-image policy has become standard in almost all forms of Islam, in its explicit form, it comes from the hadiths. Early Islamic culture during the period when the hadiths were being written was not yet decided on the image question, hence the early images of prophets showing up. I don't think people were blaspheming on purpose when they created those images.

As for being white, I don't necessarily think he looked like a white European, but most evidence suggests he was a lighter-skinned Arab, and so definitely not someone that would be mistaken for a Black African, like some in this thread are claiming. There would be no need to make a big deal about Bilal or for the Hadiths' Arab-biased statements to be written otherwise. Jesus was probably much "blacker" than Muhammad.

 

[True Weltch Media]

I'll give you guys a break on this because I know you're not supposed to look at images of your prophet, but you do realize that there are paintings of him during his lifetime and shortly after his death?

The man had white complexion.

whitewashing


white Jesus should of taught yall a thing or too about pictures

 

[Type Username Here]

whitewashing


white Jesus should of taught yall a thing or too about pictures

Yes, but Jesus paintings were done 1000 years AFTER his death by an entirely different group of people.

These paintings from Muhammad are during his time and shortly after his death, and referenced explicitly in hadiths and have been documented BY Islamic sources.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

come on slime man

you should know there are variant readings of the qu'ran

The is only one Quran, the final revelation, the exact words of God, it has been unaltered by human beings. The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

 

[True Weltch Media]

"Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: Those who paint pictures would be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it would be said to them: Breathe soul into what you have created.

 

[Type Username Here]

"Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: Those who paint pictures would be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it would be said to them: Breathe soul into what you have created.

I personally don't know where they are. There may not be any that have been preserved. But the historical records we have do note that images were being produced back then.

Another important point is that the Quran itself doesn't explicitly ban images of prophets- that's only one interpretation of the anti-idolatry verses. Though the anti-image policy has become standard in almost all forms of Islam, in its explicit form, it comes from the hadiths. Early Islamic culture during the period when the hadiths were being written was not yet decided on the image question, hence the early images of prophets showing up. I don't think people were blaspheming on purpose when they created those images.

As for being white, I don't necessarily think he looked like a white European, but most evidence suggests he was a lighter-skinned Arab, and so definitely not someone that would be mistaken for a Black African, like some in this thread are claiming. There would be no need to make a big deal about Bilal or for the Hadiths' Arab-biased statements to be written otherwise. Jesus was probably much "blacker" than Muhammad.

People forget that we have both Islamic and Non-Islamic sources documenting the life of Muhammad. The people that usually forget happen to be Muslims for some odd reason.

 

[True Weltch Media]

This came from Type Usernames link

"A number of hadith and other writings of the early Islamic period include stories in which portraits of Muhammad appear. Abu Hanifa Dinawari, Ibn al-Faqih, Ibn Wahshiyya and Abu Nu`aym tell versions of a story in which the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius is visited by two Meccans. He shows them a cabinet, handed down to him from Alexander the Great and originally created by God for Adam, each of whose drawers contains a portrait of a prophet. They are astonished to see a portrait of Muhammad in the final drawer. Sadid

al-Din al-Kazaruni tells a similar story in which the Meccans are visiting the king of China. Kisa'i tells that God did indeed give portraits of the prophets to Adam. Ibn Wahshiyya and Abu Nu'ayn tell a second story in which a Meccan merchant visiting Syria is invited to a Christian monastery where a number of sculptures and paintings depict prophets and saints. There he sees the images of Muhammad and Abu Bakr, as yet unidentified by the Christians. In an 11th-century story , Muhammad is said so have sat for a portrait by an artist retained by Sassanid king Kavadh II. The king liked the portrait so much that he placed it on his pillow."
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Imma paraphrase

ok so the Byzantine Emperor claims to have a cabinet God made, and inside it has pictures of prophets from the time of Adam.

and then The King of China say's yeah God gave those to Adam

Then someone seen an image of the Prophet in a CHRISTIAN Monastery


and the last story comes from the 11th century.

Muhammad peace be upon him died approx 633

Muhammad also said Moses was a dark brown man but Im sure you'll find pictures throughout Arab history showing him as a whiteman smh.

You do know I quoted 2 SAHIH hadiths in which they state Muhammad is either brown skin or black.

But I don't get into it with people in regards to hadiths.

To us they are the words of men even though some Muslims forget that. Whereas we accept the Qur'an as the Word of God.