Black/Minority Women Goin' Against White Feminists On Twitter :lupe:

[↓R↑LYB]

So all black men are sexist because the black men on the coli are?

That's the shyt I'm trying to figure out

Using this site as a litmus test for anything other than demonic behaviour is stupid. **** is an active member of this site. That alone makes me realize ain't shyt on here supposed to be taken seriously.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Waking up to lower wages and single motherhood

So what should be the solution?

Yo, why is MurderSheWrote butthurt over some black men getting with white women, when she got herself a white man? She shouldn't even be allowed to speak on that one. That's an disqualifier. I like how she's talking all this overthrow the white patriarchal system talk, but at the end of the day she's married to the system. The very same system she claims oppresses black women like her.

Hold up, she gotta white boyfriend ?

Are you saying she's the female version of @Chris.B

 

[Rawtid]

In what ways have black men oppressed black women, and more importantly, what system is in place to enforce this oppression?

The reason I speak about the importance of race first is because there is an entire system in place to oppress black people. The American social order (via economic policies, politics, educational system, medical industry, etc) has created an environment to subjugate black people en masse. And that system of subjigation is being enforced by the judicial system and is backed by the government on a federal, state, and local level.

Now I'm not saying there aren't black men who do foul things to black women, I'd be lying to say something like that. Neither am I saying that there aren't issues in the black community that needs to be addressed.

But those actions are done by the individual. Collectively, there is no system in place that I, as a black man, can oppress anyone.

You don't think most black households being led by single mother isn't a form of oppression within the black community?

 

[JBoy]

yeah MurderSheWrote on that c00n shyt heavy

 

[Anothergirl]

It's always interesting to see BLACK MEN try to define which minority status BLACK WOMEN should claim. You ninjas need to sit the fukk down.

Anyone paying attention to the world and the black community knows that black women aligning ourselves with black men hasn't done jack shyt for black women in the last FOUR-FIVE DECADES. So, while black women may typically get rolled over by white feminist the SAME is true when black women are dealing with BLACK MEN. I would equate it to a prisoner being tied to a heavy steel ball and chain....or a BURDEN...for lack of a better word. When you ninjas aren't blaming black women for your lack of ambition you can be heard blaming black women because YOU can't get over penis envy and compete for the women you desire.

This idea that black women should define themselves based on the shyt that black men are, say and do is NONSENSE. Why? Let me count the ways in which BLACK MEN put their GENDER before their RACE....

1. They don't give two shyts about black women's feelings when they are sleeping with the same white feminists they claim to hate. In this instance they say shyt like, "At the end of the day I'm a man..." Just watch how these SAME ninjas clapping about non-white women dissing white feminism turn around on Wednesday and put these same white women (many of them feminist) on a pedestal during Twitter's "white girl Wednesday"....a "holiday" started by BLACK MEN.
2. As much as black men bytch and complain about white men's patriarchy, they aren't really fighting against it, which is something that would benefit ALL people of color (man, woman and child). Instead they are fighting for their place in it. They have no problem regarding black women as sub-par (or the weaker sex)...just as they are regarded under white patriarchy (the weaker race of men). Their ONE and ONLY issue is the white man won't cut them a slice of his pie. It is clear that if black men ever truly gain a piece of the "White patriarchy" pie, they would have no issue continuing to regard black women as sub-par. This is a prime example of how they tend to place their GENDER before their RACE.
   
3. When it comes to making money, black men don't give a damn about black women or the black community or anything else with the word "BLACK" before it. They have proven they will sell their souls for a dollar. This shytty ass noise known as modern day hip hop ain't shyt but the rantings of women hating, MALE first, ninjas.
4. When a black woman is the victim of a crime and the criminal is a BLACK MALE you don't hear shyt from black men. In fact, if you hear anything from them at all it's usually along the lines of, "She shouldn't have put herself in that position" or "She's a snitch" for reporting fukkery that happened to her or someone like her based on gender (i.e., rape). However, these same "no snitch" minded ninjas expect black women to rally for them when they are getting their heads tossed by white men, the law etc.

fukk that!

You ninjas on this site in general ain't shyt. There are some exceptions (ex.@Born2BKing) but they are not the rule.

The day I align myself with you is the day hell freezes over. I'm not going to align myself with white women either, but I'm sure as hell not going to jump on this "Black first, women second, " bandwagon like grandma and 'em did back in the day. In my opinion that's where they

Every time black women start spouting that "Black first, women second" bullshyt they find themselves being rolled the hell over by the very people who claim to be equally as "black" first.

As far as I'm concerned, black women need to look our for themselves and each other FIRST and FOREMOST.

fukk all this bullshyt about black men. If the ninjas aren't part of my family their issues are NOT my issues. I'm just keeping it 100.

Just as black men have made it clear that black women's issues (i.e., rampant sexism, disregard for black women's right to equal protection under the law, etc) aren't their issues...I suggest black women adopt a similar attitude.

*Drops the mic*

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Nubian white queens done blown themselves up, thrown themselves under horses etc for you hos and this the thanks they get?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

So all black men are sexist because the black men on the coli are?

 

[Ashley Banks]

It's always interesting to see BLACK MEN try to define which minority status BLACK WOMEN should claim. You ninjas need to sit the fukk down.

Anyone paying attention to the world and the black community knows that black women aligning ourselves with black men hasn't done jack shyt for black women in the last FOUR-FIVE DECADES. So, while black women may typically get rolled over by white feminist the SAME is true when black women are dealing with BLACK MEN. I would equate it to a prisoner being tied to a heavy steel ball and chain....or a BURDEN...for lack of a better word. When you ninjas aren't blaming black women for your lack of ambition you can be heard blaming black women because YOU can't get over penis envy and compete for the women you desire.

This idea that black women should define themselves based on the shyt that black men are, say and do is NONSENSE. Why? Let me count the ways in which BLACK MEN put their GENDER before their RACE....

1. They don't give two shyts about black women's feelings when they are sleeping with the same white feminists they claim to hate. In this instance they say shyt like, "At the end of the day I'm a man..." Just watch how these SAME ninjas clapping about non-white women dissing white feminism turn around on Wednesday and put these same white women (many of them feminist) on a pedestal during Twitter's "white girl Wednesday"....a "holiday" started by BLACK MEN.
2. As much as black men bytch and complain about white men's patriarchy, they aren't really fighting against it, which is something that would benefit ALL people of color (man, woman and child). Instead they are fighting for their place in it. They have no problem regarding black women as sub-par (or the weaker sex)...just as they are regarded under white patriarchy (the weaker race of men). Their ONE and ONLY issue is the white man won't cut them a slice of his pie. It is clear that if black men ever truly gain a piece of the "White patriarchy" pie, they would have no issue continuing to regard black women as sub-par. This is a prime example of how they tend to place their GENDER before their RACE.
   
3. When it comes to making money, black men don't give a damn about black women or the black community or anything else with the word "BLACK" before it. They have proven they will sell their souls for a dollar. This shytty ass noise known as modern day hip hop ain't shyt but the rantings of women hating, MALE first, ninjas.
4. When a black woman is the victim of a crime and the criminal is a BLACK MALE you don't hear shyt from black men. In fact, if you hear anything from them at all it's usually along the lines of, "She shouldn't have put herself in that position" or "She's a snitch" for reporting fukkery that happened to her or someone like her based on gender (i.e., rape). However, these same "no snitch" minded ninjas expect black women to rally for them when they are getting their heads tossed by white men, the law etc.

fukk that!

You ninjas on this site in general ain't shyt. There are some exceptions (ex.@Born2BKing) but they are not the rule.

The day I align myself with you is the day hell freezes over. I'm not going to align myself with white women either, but I'm sure as hell not going to jump on this "Black first, women second, " bandwagon like grandma and 'em did back in the day. In my opinion that's where they

Every time black women start spouting that "Black first, women second" bullshyt they find themselves being rolled the hell over by the very people who claim to be equally as "black" first.

As far as I'm concerned, black women need to look our for themselves and each other FIRST and FOREMOST.

fukk all this bullshyt about black men. If the ninjas aren't part of my family their issues are NOT my issues. I'm just keeping it 100.

Just as black men have made it clear that black women's issues (i.e., rampant sexism, disregard for black women's right to equal protection under the law, etc) aren't their issues...I suggest black women adopt a similar attitude.

*Drops the mic*

 

[PartyHeart]

The Black Male Privilege Checklist

1. I don't have to choose my race over my sex in political matters.
2. When I read African American History textbooks, I will learn mainly about black men.
3. When I learn about the Civil Rights Movement & the Black Power Movements, most of the leaders that I will learn about will be black men.
4. I can rely on the fact that in the near 100-year history of national civil rights organizations such as the NAACP and the Urban League, virtually all of the executive directors have been male.
5. I will be taken more seriously as a political leader than black women.
6. Despite the substantial role that black women played in the Civil Rights Movement and Black Power Movement, currently there is no black female that is considered a "race leader".
7. I can live my life without ever having read black feminist authors, or knowing about black women's history, or black women's issues.
8. I can be a part of a black liberation organization like the Black Panther Party where an "out" rapist Eldridge Cleaver can assume leadership position.
9. I will make more money than black women at equal levels of education and occupation.
10. Most of the national "opinion framers" in Black America including talk show hosts and politicians are men.

Beauty
11. I have the ability to define black women's beauty by European standards in terms of skin tone, hair, and body size. In comparison, black women rarely define me by European standards of beauty in terms of skin tone, hair, or body size.
12. I do not have to worry about the daily hassles of having my hair conforming to any standard image of beauty the way black women do.
13. I do not have to worry about the daily hassles of being terrorized by the fear of gaining weight. In fact, in many instances bigger is better for my sex.
14. My looks will not be the central standard by which my worth is valued by members of the opposite sex.

Sex & Sexuality
15. I can purchase pornography that typically shows men defile women by the common practice of the "money shot.”
16. I can believe that causing pain during sex is connected with a woman's pleasure without ever asking her.
17. I have the privilege of not wanting to be a virgin, but preferring that my wife or significant other be a virgin.
18. When it comes to sex if I say "No", chances are that it will not be mistaken for “Yes".
19. If I am raped, no one will assume that "I should have known better" or suggest that my being raped had something to do with how I was dressed.
20. I can use sexist language like bonin’, laying the pipe, hittin-it, and banging that convey images of sexual acts based on dominance and performance.
21. I can live in a world where polygamy is still an option for men in the United States as well as around the world.
22. In general, I prefer being involved with younger women socially and sexually
23. In general, the more sexual partners that I have the more stature I receive among my peers.
24. I have easy access to pornography that involves virtually any category of sex where men degrade women, often young women.
25. I have the privilege of being a part of a sex where "purity balls" apply to girls but not to boys.
26. When I consume pornography, I can gain pleasure from images and sounds of men causing women pain.

Popular Culture
27. I come from a tradition of humor that is based largely on insulting and disrespecting women; especially mothers.
28. I have the privilege of not having black women, dress up and play funny characters- often overweight- that are supposed to look like me for the entire nation to laugh.
29. When I go to the movies, I know that most of the leads in black films are men. I also know that all of the action heroes in black film are men.
30. I can easily imagine that most of the artists in Hip Hop are members of my sex.
31. I can easily imagine that most of the women that appear in Hip Hop videos are there solely to please men
32. Most of lyrics I listen to in hip-hop perpetuate the ideas of males dominating women, sexually and socially.
33. I have the privilege of consuming and popularizing the word pimp, which is based on the exploitation of women with virtually no opposition from other men.
34. I can hear and use language bytches and hoes that demean women, with virtually no opposition from men.
35. I can wear a shirt that others and I commonly refer to as a "wife beater" and never have the language challenged.
36. Many of my favorite movies include images of strength that do not include members of the opposite sex and often are based on violence.
37. Many of my favorite genres of films, such as martial arts, are based on violence.
38. I have the privilege of popularizing or consuming the idea of a thug, which is based on the violence and victimization of others with virtually no opposition from other men.

Attitudes/Ideology
39. I have the privilege to define black women as having "an attitude" without referencing the range of attitudes that black women have.
40. I have the privilege of defining black women's attitudes without defining my attitudes as a black man.
41. I can believe that the success of the black family is dependent on returning men to their historical place within the family, rather than in promoting policies that strengthen black women's independence, or that provide social benefits to black children.
42. I have the privilege of believing that a woman cannot raise a son to be a man.
43. I have the privilege of believing that a woman must submit to her man.
44. I have the privilege of believing that before slavery gender relationships between black men and women were perfect.
45. I have the privilege of believing that feminism is anti-black.
46. I have the privilege of believing that the failure of the black family is due to the black matriarchy.
47. I have the privilege of believing that household responsibilities are women's roles.
48. I have the privilege of believing that black women are different sexually than other women and judging them negatively based on this belief.

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

You don't think most black households being led by single mother isn't a form of oppression within the black community?

Wait, how is leadership a form of oppression? So if black men came back into the households, they wouldn't be oppressed because they're men, but black women are? Are you saying that women aren't fit to run sh*t? I guess you can argue on some level that black women taking on both jobs is harder than their white and asian counterparts who's men are in a patriarchal position relative to their women, but then again, black women need to marry patriarchal men if they want to reap the benefits of a patriarchy.

 

[PartyHeart]

Sports
49. I will make significantly more money as a professional athlete than members of the opposite sex will.
50. In school, girls are cheerleaders for male athletes, but there is no such role for males to cheerlead for women athletes.
51. My financial success or popularity as a professional athlete will not be associated with my looks.
52. I can talk about sports or spend large portions of the day playing video games while women are most likely involved with household or childcare duties.
53. I can spend endless hours watching sports TV and have it considered natural.
54. I can touch, hug, or be emotionally expressive with other men while watching sports without observers perceiving this behavior as sexual.
55. I know that most sports analysts are male.
56. If I am a coach, I can motivate, punish, or embarrass a player by saying that the player plays like a girl.
57. Most sports talk show hosts that are members of my race are men.
58. I can rest assured that most of the coaches -even in predominately-female sports within my race are male.
59. I am able to play sports outside without my shirt on and it not be considered a problem.
60. I am essentially able to do anything inside or outside without my shirt on, whereas women are always required to cover up.

Diaspora/Global
61. I have the privilege of being a part of a sex where the mutilation and disfigurement of a girl’s genitalia is used to deny her sexual sensations or to protect her virginity for males.
62. I have the privilege of not having rape be used as a primary tactic or tool to terrorize my sex during war and times of conflict.
63. I have the privilege of not being able to name one female leader in Africa or Asia, past or present, that I pay homage to the way I do male leaders in Africa and/or Asia.
64. I have the ability to travel around the world and have access to women in developing countries both sexually and socially.
65. I have the privilege of being a part of the sex that starts wars and that wields control of almost all the existing weapons of war and mass destruction.
College
66. In college, I will have the opportunity to date outside of the race at a much higher rate than black women will.
67. I have the privilege of having the phrase "sewing my wild oats" apply to my sex as if it were natural.
68. I know that the further I go in education the more success I will have with women.
69. In college, black male professors will be involved in interracial marriages at much higher rates than members of the opposite sex will.
70. By the time I enter college, and even through college, I have the privilege of not having to worry whether I will be able to marry a black woman.
71. In college, I will experience a level of status and prestige that is not offered to black women even though black women may outnumber me and out perform me academically.
72. If I go to an HBCU, I will have incredible opportunities to exploit black women

 

[PartyHeart]

Communication/Language
73. What is defined as "News" in Black America is defined by men.
74. I can choose to be emotionally withdrawn and not communicate in a relationships and it be considered unfortunate but normal.
75. I can dismissively refer to another persons grievances as ^*ing.
76. I have the privilege of not knowing what words and concepts like patriarchy, phallocentric, complicity, colluding, and obfuscation mean.

Relationships
77. I have the privilege of marrying outside of the race at a much higher rate than black women marry.
78. My "strength" as a man is never connected with the failure of the black family, whereas the strength of black women is routinely associated with the failure of the black family.
79. If I am considering a divorce, I know that I have substantially more marriage, and cohabitation options than my spouse.
80. Chances are I will be defined as a "good man" by things I do not do as much as what I do. If I don't beat, cheat, or lie, then I am a considered a "good man". In comparison, women are rarely defined as "good women" based on what they do not do.
81. I have the privilege of not having to assume most of the household or child-care responsibilities.
82. I have the privilege of having not been raised with domestic responsibilities of cooking, cleaning, and washing that takes up disproportionately more time as adults.

Church & Religious Traditions
83. In the Black Church, the majority of the pastoral leadership is male.
84. In the Black Church Tradition, most of the theology has a male point of view. For example, most will assume that the man is the head of household.

 

[PartyHeart]

Physical Safety
85. I do not have to worry about being considered a traitor to my race if I call the police on a member of the opposite sex.
86. I have the privilege of knowing men who are physically or sexually abusive to women and yet I still call them friends.
87. I can video tape women in public- often without their consent - with male complicity.
88. I can be courteous to a person of the opposite sex that I do not know and say "Hello" or "Hi" and not fear that it will be taken as a come-on or fear being stalked because of it.
89. I can use physical violence or the threat of physical violence to get what I want when other tactics fail in a relationship.
90. If I get into a physical altercation with a person of the opposite sex, I will most likely be able to impose my will physically on that person
91. I can go to parades or other public events and not worry about being physically and sexually molested by persons of the opposite sex.
92. I can touch and physically grope women's bodies in public- often without their consent- with male complicity.
93. In general, I have the freedom to travel in the night without fear.
94. I am able to be out in public without fear of being sexually harassed by individuals or groups of the opposite sex.

 

[Family Man]

Time for me to make an exit out of this thread.

 

[PartyHeart]

Sorry to take over the thread with my last couple of posts, the check list couldn't fit all in one post

But Black men, if you were asking in what ways Black men oppress women, that list is a start. And before you say "b-b-but we don't have the power to create the system that makes those things ok". You are correct. However Black men subscribed to that system and currently benefit from it, just the same way non-racist whites still benefit from white privilege, and even non-Black minorities, though still oppressed, benefit from at least not being Black (the bottom of the totem pole, according to racial hierarchy). And your continued subscription to patriarchy does in fact help perpetuate it.

Keep in mind that Black men began to co-sign white male patriarchy (originally made just to benefit them) long before Black women co-signed feminism. Ours was a response.