Black Male Patriarchy So Bad That Sub-Saharan Africa Has Highest Female Entrepreneurship in World
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alot of people say mean things about my slaying avis i usually dnt care and stuff but i'm thinkin i'm bein inconsiderate. tho people like @Lady.Libra. have always complimented them so idk.
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This nikka @Thomas really ruined what was supposed to be a positive thread
When do those WPOTY awards come out?
Dude is a pseudo-intellectual, contrarian tryhard.
Just like Thomas over speaks on issues of Africans you are also over speaking on issues of African Americans. This matriarchy shyt among African Americans is actually pretty recent. African American society used to be highly patriarchal all over the USA, which was due to the BLACK CHURCH. If you stop and think about it the Preachers and Deacons that led the churches were doing the same things that Chiefs and Religious leaders did in Africa.
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PartyHeart
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I'm not lazy, just old
It seems your issue is more with the title (in the face of patriarchal practices) and not so much with the reality of African women thriving in the realm of entrepreneurial business ventures.
I hear you, and I don't believe that patriarchy is non-existent, but as someone who has lived in both cultures, I think that Americans have a very exaggerated view of how woman are treated in certain parts of Africa (when it comes to money/ownership). Especially in recent decades.
As for other aspects of patriarchy, yes they do exist, but I don't think that lessens the importance of this study
Perhaps another thread can be made to discuss that in detail.... but i'm not making it
HopeKillCure
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ofcourse patriarchy is harmful to women, just as a matriarchy is harmful to men. The men having the economic power to oppress you is a credit to the effectiveness of the patriarchy itself. Latin America is poor as hell, but the patriarchy is effective and the men control the wealth as a result. It's not the economic power that creates the level of oppression in the patriarchy, it's the effectiveness of the patriarchy the creates the economic power for the men to dominate the women. I'm only mentioning that to any ridiculous notion that black male patriarchy would somehow be harmful to you if black men had more economic power, when that's not even important. Patriarchy doesn't need to have a lot of economic power to be effective, it just needs to keep all the economic power in the hands of the men to be effective, no matter how big or small that economic power is.
The high rate of black female entrepreneurship is a credit to black women first, as well as black men who support them. These are not amazon women living alone in society. Black women have supportive husbands, boyfriends, brothers, fathers, etc, all men who despite this patriarchal system, have no problem yielding power and control to a black women to lead. You had female rulers in Africa forever. China has 5000 years of documented history and they have never had a female rule anything except once, and that was only because she had everyone in her family killed, then spent her rein ordering the death of anyone who she thought would oppose, when she eventually died, China made sure that they would never be in position to have a woman rule again by making changes.
Black male patriarchy supports the growth of women by not hording all the wealth and resources into male hand, that makes it the least effective male patriarchy (oppression wise) because women are not as dependent for their survival on men like other non-black woman are historically dependent on their survival based on the men of their society. Black male patriarchy is a father saying, "let me show you how to do that daughter" in comparison to non-black male patriarchy which is, "No daughter, women aren't good at that or aren't allowed to do that"
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Leaders in the black church and leader of a family lineage are not the same. The black church leaders are not acquiring wealth and passing it down to the members. Im talking about a family standpoint not the standpoint of a male being the leader of an institution. There was a time where true patriarchies were around in America but they were still not in large amounts. I'm not saying AAs did not have patriarchies Im saying due to the circumstanfes they faced in the Americas 1.it was not in large amounts and (or) 2. It had to be modified to adjust to the form of white supremacy they encountered being that men literally had to start from scratch while still comepete with white men on top of dealing with white men imposing laws to prevent true black patriarchy from existing. This is why people in america equate patriarchy to men beating women and women cant leave the kitchen and crap like that.
That is an overstatement. You are speaking with so much conviction on this subject, that I am truly surprised that you don't know the power that Black Churches once had in this Country and how entirely patriarchal they were. They were truly male dominated institutions and they controlled much of the lives of Black people in America. The Black Churches did not develop because of White men they developed despite White men; because as you well know White men were firebombing and burning down Black Churches; and/or killing the Preachers.
You are looking at crap post Civil Rights era and thinking that it is the way that it was always for Black people; but you are wrong. I am not just some nikka on the internet who read a book and is telling you this shyt. I lived it. Black Churches, which were led by Black men, helped set up everything from Historically Black Colleges and Universities; to Banks and Savings and Loans; to Black business. Black Churches led the Civil Rights struggle. They were even power brokers politically and were instrumental in the election of Black and White candidates. Didn't you ever wonder why Black and White candidates always run up in the Black church looking for political endorsements? Once elected those Black and White politicians hired many people that the Preachers knew, which is the main reason that Black people got political and government jobs; and those Black Churches are the main reason that Black people vote as a bloc politically
When I was a kid let me tell you what many Black Americans hardly ever saw: never married single mothers; women preachers; drug dealers and/or drug users just standing outside; a bunch of people standing around drunk near a Church; and many of the other current social ills that currently impact African Americans. And almost all of that was due to the agenda that the Black Churches pushed and the respect that Black people had for Black Churches; Preachers and Deacons. Now doesn't that sound like stuff that African Chiefs and Religious leaders do?
1888: Capital Savings Bank - Partnership for Progress
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/01/soaries.black.church/
Echoes of Faith: Church Roots Run Deep Among HBCUs
Now the Black Churches did go off the rails, because the White politicians learned that they could just buy off Pastors, Preachers and Deacons; rather than killing them like they did with Dr. King and Medgar Evers. Once the White politicians bought off the Black Churches then we saw the resulting disintegration of Black families and the rise of Black feminism. That is why we are here.
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The black church is a community institution. It has nothing to do with the concept of Patriarchy in relation to family and passing down of wealth. The black church can have many patriachs (and matriarchs) represented in the institutiom sure, but the black church is not a patriarch. You do not have to be a chief to be a patriarch, this is coming from someone who is the grandson of a Chief. The black church operated as a meeting ground for blacks to strategize. I agree that the pastor of a church is easentially the "chief" of that local community but once again a chief isn't a patriach because there have always been female chiefs too.
this only applies to mentally handicap feminists
The Black Church did not operate as a meeting ground for Blacks to develop strategy. It grew in to that out of necessity. If you go back and look at the Civil Rights era many Black Churches balked at the whole notion of using the church for that purpose. That is why the NAACP and the other Black organizations worked separately from the Churches early on in the struggle.
We can agree to disagree. However, African Americans were extremely patriarchal before the Civil Rights Era; and the families and whole communities were headed by Black men. Like I said I lived it. Very few people in this younger generation knows anything about it, because they did not grow up in it. All they have to do is to ask their older relatives and they would find out really fast that Black men head their families and communities.
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My point still stands that due to white supramacy blacks for the most part do not know what patriarchy is nor did they come up in a true patriarchy. The ones that do were limited in number because white supremacy forcefully ensured blacks could not have access to resources to compete and build something that could even be passed down.
And I am saying that your point is overstated because Black Americans passed on Colleges and Universities and Banks and some of those institutions are 100 or more years old. Moreover, if White Supremacy is the test for whether patriarchy existed or not then Africans could not have had true patriarchy either; because whether you called it colonialism or slavery it was the same shyt. It was the institution of White Supremacy.