Black male H.S. graduation rates lag behind whites

[Serious]

when did season 3 start?


I don't watch tv

Summer breh. It's over now though.....

The season finale was piff:

 

[Malfoy]

I agree with Kenya on this...all that "what woman want" in this case is nonsense. Black Males have to take ownership for their own behaviors. No one else.

I don't think anyone is necessarily flat out disagreeing with Kenya's sentiments about accountability. However, to discount that there are not other factors in the equation wouldn't be looking at the problem as a whole. So, yes black males in a perfect world should want to do well in school on their own and not be lazy, skip class, and look to be a$$holes in order to impress their peers or airhead girls but that would be a perfect world, no?

 

[Shugg84]

Quick question to everyone in this thread :

1Do you think that black culture does not value education?2 Is the culture of African Americans inferior to the culture of immigrants and White Americans? This is basically the implication your making every time you assert that there are cultural reasons to blacks failing in the educational system.

Black people have an anti-intellectual culture as a RESULT of the reality and conditions of which they must contend with.

When you live on an Island, you have an ocean going culture.
When you live in the mountains, you have a trekking culture.
When you live in 15% unemployment, ghettos filled with narcotics, laws that have been international recognized as racist incarcerating your community, and rampant gun proliferation due to a society that has no interest in control, tell me what your culture is going to be?

1.I think a significant amount doesnt..but plenty do.
2.Our culture isnt inferior..people copy us..but it needs to be tweaked to be perfect..

 

[BillBanneker]

You forgot to post this breh

In predominantly black schools, I find no evidence at all that getting good grades adversely affects students’ popularity.

http://educationnext.org/files/ednext20061_52.pdf

 

[filial_piety]

I don't think anyone is necessarily flat out disagreeing with Kenya's sentiments about accountability. However, to discount that there are not other factors in the equation wouldn't be looking at the problem as a whole. So, yes black males in a perfect world should want to do well in school on their own and not be lazy, skip class, and look to be a$$holes in order to impress their peers or airhead girls but that would be a perfect world, no?

Ok, that being said. What's easier to change? "Society" and all the other factors... or for black males to make a change within themselves?

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Quick question to everyone in this thread :

Do you think that black culture does not value education? Is the culture of African Americans inferior to the culture of immigrants and White Americans? This is basically the implication your making every time you assert that there are cultural reasons to blacks failing in the educational system.

Black people have an anti-intellectual culture as a RESULT of the reality and conditions of which they must contend with.

When you live on an Island, you have an ocean going culture.
When you live in the mountains, you have a trekking culture.
When you live in 15% unemployment, ghettos filled with narcotics, laws that have been international recognized as racist incarcerating your community, and rampant gun proliferation due to a society that has no interest in control, tell me what your culture is going to be?

I certainly get what you're saying and everything, but why does the culture persist in environments that aren't anything like you suggested? The Shaker Heights study observed a similar trend of anti-intellectual behavior amongst black students who's settings were comfortably affluent, suburban , middle class. Is there a problem with the schools i.e. prejudice teachers themselves?

 

[Malfoy]

Ok, that being said. What's easier to change? "Society" and all the other factors... or for black males to make a change within themselves?

I think they both would be equally as hard. In order for society to change, the things that we equate with success would probably have to be altered. If black males in high school are going to make a change within themselves it would probably begin with what was instilled in them from children, and what they are using as a motivation in order to finish their academic careers.

Instead of success in our community being: becoming a rapper dripped in jewels, swimming in a harem of women, while mouthing the lyrics to bands will make her dance it will have to change to family being at the forefront, education being prominent, and money/wealth not being used to showoff in a club.

 

[Bolzmark]

The problem stats with the parents. Unfortunately, each generation of kids that dont care about education, turn into the next generation of parents who dont care. Parents are most important part, becaue if the school system is not up to par, parents who care will raise holy hell until its right.

 

[AAKing23]

People keep forgetting that entire civilizations were built off of men trying to impress and attract women. Forget men not being motivated because women don't require that out of their men. These women actually discourage black males being smart. Even the biggest hoodrats could brag about getting a B on a paper, but if a black boy is getting A's in school he is told things like "you tyna ack white" or "you talk like you white" or "you a smarty arts nikka". Black women don't get teased for being smart. Black boys get shyt on for it. Why would someone who grows up seeing how smart black boys get treated decide to go that route when 90% of black girls want Swagnificent? Don't tell me you don't like that NOW. We are talking bout teens here. The same women bragging about their sons being on honor roll know damn well THEY weren't checking for the boys that were like their sons. I've heard countless stories of intelligent black boys who decided to turn into Odog just to attract women. COUNTLESS.

Cosign.

It's not about blaming black women for why Black men are lagging behind, but I don't think women understand how impressionable they are on men especially when they're young.


Not to say that's an excuse for black men to slack off, but it is what it is.

 

[Tom]

You're not black... If so, you're saying you're stupid by defaut then?

I think u shouldn't let ur race, emotions or bias ever get in the way of what is true

Not saying that blacks being less intelligent is a fact but hypothetically if it were ever proven to be true then it would be irresponsible on my part to deny it, even if Its me they're talking about. I go where the evidence leads me bro

 

[Broke Wave]

I certainly get what you're saying and everything, but why does the culture persist in environments that aren't anything like you suggested? The Shaker Heights study observed a similar trend of anti-intellectual behavior amongst black students who's settings were comfortably affluent, suburban , middle class. Is there a problem with the schools i.e. prejudice teachers themselves?

Income is certainly correlated with education, so while I dispute the conclusions of the Shaker Heights study, lets take them to be true for the sake of argument.

Cultural values are not only enforced by the parents, but through the media etc etc. There are outliers as to who will be exempt from cultural influence, but the general rule is that cultural influence will permeate. If a vast majority of the community has culture A as a result of environment A, it is not uncommon for members of the community to Exhibit culture A. It is not a mathematical direct co-relation, more of an observation based on relevant facts.

Finally, "middle-income" blacks are usually living in more violent communities with similar afflictions, so while they may not get the full experience of environment A, they are experiencing aspects of it.

I think they both would be equally as hard. In order for society to change, the things that we equate with success would probably have to be altered. If black males in high school are going to make a change within themselves it would probably begin with what was instilled in them from children, and what they are using as a motivation in order to finish their academic careers.

Instead of success in our community being: becoming a rapper dripped in jewels, swimming in a harem of women, while mouthing the lyrics to bands will make her dance it will have to change to family being at the forefront, education being prominent, and money/wealth not being used to showoff in a club.

I agree that the goal posts are totally wrong for black men, the idea is that positive goalposts cannot be fostered in a society so greatly disadvantageous towards this group. This group is being so handicapped, so targeted and abused that the idea of a conscious change is, to me, pie in the sky.

White people have the same propensity to commit drug crimes, and commit these crimes at the same, and higher rates than black people ,but black men are incarcerated EIGHT more times. 8 to 1. That's the reality of America, not BET ruining the youth as implied by some of the people here.

 

[Tom]

Summer breh. It's over now though.....

The season finale was piff:
Through the Wormhole S3E10 Did We Invent God? HQ - YouTube

props gonna check this out right now.

first two seasons were

 

[beenz]

high school is easy. They even have watered down curriculum's....

No sympathy on my behave.....

No excuses, No apologies......

I remember when I graduated from HS me and the fam went out for dinner, and I asked my parents why we were celebrating something that I thought "everyone" accomplished and to me was no big deal.

 

[YouMadd?]

I think u shouldn't let ur race, emotions or bias ever get in the way of what is true

Not saying that blacks being less intelligent is a fact but hypothetically if it were ever proven to be true then it would be irresponsible on my part to deny it, even if Its me they're talking about. I go where the evidence leads me bro

What studies? You just posted a youtube video

What measure are you using for intelligence? Also how does this measure relate to graduating high school?

You're obviously trolling....

I took an IQ test when I was 17 and I scored a 112, which is above average, but I was just an average B student... I know tons of white kids who are dumb as bricks and still graduated high school, so intelligence and graduating high school isn't really an accurate correlation...

You were obviously just trying to make a trolling comment to get a rise out of people and its obviously you are not black based on your previous posting history. There is nothing wrong with not being black, but don't come and post bullshyt and then say you're black in order to add validity to your statements

 

[PartyHeart]

I really dont give a shyt anymore, the cycle gonna just keep continuing..I tell you this though, if all women lusted after a college cat instead of a aint shyt nikka...boy boy boy..the black race would be on top in 50 years..

No matter how many times and ways this is said, it still is ridiculous to me. For one, it completely ignores that men have the same exact influence on women. You have men in here saying that being perceived as smart does not negatively effect Black girls among boys growing up Yall have to be kidding. Myself and the majority of my closest circle of female friends lived that shyt lol. Where do yall think Awkward Black Girl came from? Yet it still didn't make me come to high school in skin tight clothes or short skirts nor did it make me become a bird fukking in the locker room. And if it had, how many people would be asking the men to change the women they gave attention in order to stop all these teenager pregnancies and 'black girls lost'? Nobody. Try even creating a thread about that and see how quickly you get laughed at and the men tell you she knows the path she chose and its on nobody but her. And that's the way it should be. Yet when we get to Black boys, we are so hesitant. Its pathetic really.

Secondly, people speak about Black community this and that and make comparisons to others, but how many of you have actually grown up around white people? The types of differences you think we have are nonexistent. White women make the same kind of choices in the popular boys and jocks, and yet white men still find a way to succeed. Its because drive to success is internal. And their drive is not to just fukk as many women as they can and buy big rims. They eventually want families and generational wealth, not just p*ssy, so they work towards that. Your enviorment may effect the level of success you reach, but it will not stop you from having a productive life if that's what you internally want. However, if you internally just want to get p*ssy and that's your whole life goal, (which is what you all are condoning for Black boys here, call it what it is) your life will be fukked up. And that's your fault and you deserve that.