Black male H.S. graduation rates lag behind whites

[theworldismine13]

I don't think there's any real co-relation between popularity and academic performance... because popularity is such a subjective metric...

Is a popular person one who has many friends, or who is generally well liked?

Moreover, the soloution to any problem does not lie in "blame". Black men shouldn't "blame" themselves or "blame" anyone else. There isn't any issue that one gender/race can solve on their own. What is required is further inquiry into the root of the issue, which is almost certainly economic and access related, and soloutions based on the conclusions of serious academic study and review, instead of paradigms built by colloquial observations.

This is the type of liberal mumbo jumbo that leads to not addressing/analyzing culture and internal factors in the black community

 

[Street Knowledge]

Theres no excuse to not graduate

 

[Serious]

People keep forgetting that entire civilizations were built off of men trying to impress and attract women. Forget men not being motivated because women don't require that out of their men. These women actually discourage black males being smart. Even the biggest hoodrats could brag about getting a B on a paper, but if a black boy is getting A's in school he is told things like "you tyna ack white" or "you talk like you white" or "you a smarty arts nikka". Black women don't get teased for being smart. Black boys get shyt on for it. Why would someone who grows up seeing how smart black boys get treated decide to go that route when 90% of black girls want Swagnificent? Don't tell me you don't like that NOW. We are talking bout teens here. The same women bragging about their sons being on honor roll know damn well THEY weren't checking for the boys that were like their sons. I've heard countless stories of intelligent black boys who decided to turn into Odog just to attract women. COUNTLESS.

Yep, there's some perks to it though, you eventually learn to switch up and adapt, aka make yourself more attractive, yet keep your smart edge.......

I'll venture to say most chicks went checking for me until i turned 17, but i also had half the confidence i have now. It's a two way streak, especially since i've never been the outgoing type and rarely approached females during my teenage years.

Mos def being reclusive, studying in the library wont give you an abundance of play...

It is what it

 

[Serious]

I remember when I graduated from HS me and the fam went out for dinner, and I asked my parents why we were celebrating something that I thought "everyone" accomplished and to me was no big deal.

That's how i felt, college i can understand, but high school, we talking about high school

 

[Street Knowledge]

My family did the same thing for my graduation







Don't get me wrong, I took the free food but still

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I certainly get what you're saying and everything, but why does the culture persist in environments that aren't anything like you suggested? The Shaker Heights study observed a similar trend of anti-intellectual behavior amongst black students who's settings were comfortably affluent, suburban , middle class. Is there a problem with the schools i.e. prejudice teachers themselves?

I grew up near shaker heights and I read that study like they got it all wrong. It may be classified as "middle class" but those families are still poor. Shaker is the kind of city with million dollar homes on one side and section 8 town homes on the other. All the well off parents send their kids to private school and the rest get stuck in public school.

Shaker heights isn't some nice leave it to beaver middle class neighborhood. Literally one intersection over from downtown shaker heights is one of the toughest neighborhoods in Cleveland. I grew up in the area, and the shaker kids were out doing all the same stuff we were doing. And it wasn't just the black kids.

With that said I think the problem lies in both the culture and the environment. We're on here debating why they're not graduating, but they don't even know, NOT graduating is a bad idea. If you've had to fight for your food your entire life, AND there are no examples of academic success in your immediate surroundings, school is going to seem like a liability. "Why should I spend all this energy on school if I'm just gonna sell drugs anyway"?

In my opinion the best way to solve the problem is to show the kids a way to success. They need hands on examples/influences and education plans tailored to their learning styles/interests. And it needs to start early, we can't wait till they're in high school already fukked up, then wonder why their not graduating. Society needs to change and get serious about addressing poverty, and I'm talking ALL races.

 

[DallasTxRep]

People shouldn't be surprised by that graph
For yrs studying, doing homework & good grades have been frowned upon by most blacks

Sad, but reality.....

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

This is why me, with an MBA is almost like a unicorn in the black race, I'm a mythical nikka of sorts, shyt is cray.

 

[bouncy]

It all comes down to MONEY. Most boys are not told how their life will be better by doing good in school. Most girls who do good in school have a plan. They will go to college, get a career, buy what they want, and have a man to make them look good, and hopefully have the wedding they always wanted, and some kids. Boys aren't told how education will get them the women they want, the car they want, their own place where they can do what they want so they can play games and fukk all night because these things are seen as a negative. We are told the girls dreams should be OUR dreams and when we look at school we don't see the connection to OUR dreams. This is a major reason why boys think sports or entertainment is the way they can make a living, because they associate living the way they want with rappers, entertainers, and sports stars.

Boys just need to be told how getting an education will help them live their dreams of getting money, p*ssy, and freedom to do what they want, the way girls are told since they are young.

 

[bouncy]

No matter how many times and ways this is said, it still is ridiculous to me. For one, it completely ignores that men have the same exact influence on women. You have men in here saying that being perceived as smart does not negatively effect Black girls among boys growing up Yall have to be kidding. Myself and the majority of my closest circle of female friends lived that shyt lol. Where do yall think Awkward Black Girl came from? Yet it still didn't make me come to high school in skin tight clothes or short skirts nor did it make me become a bird fukking in the locker room. And if it had, how many people would be asking the men to change the women they gave attention in order to stop all these teenager pregnancies and 'black girls lost'? Nobody. Try even creating a thread about that and see how quickly you get laughed at and the men tell you she knows the path she chose and its on nobody but her. And that's the way it should be. Yet when we get to Black boys, we are so hesitant. Its pathetic really.

Secondly, people speak about Black community this and that and make comparisons to others, but how many of you have actually grown up around white people? The types of differences you think we have are nonexistent. White women make the same kind of choices in the popular boys and jocks, and yet white men still find a way to succeed. Its because drive to success is internal. And their drive is not to just fukk as many women as they can and buy big rims. They eventually want families and generational wealth, not just p*ssy, so they work towards that. Your enviorment may effect the level of success you reach, but it will not stop you from having a productive life if that's what you internally want. However, if you internally just want to get p*ssy and that's your whole life goal, (which is what you all are condoning for Black boys here, call it what it is) your life will be fukked up. And that's your fault and you deserve that.

I agree with this but I think the difference between white males, and black males, is that the white males have a male to tell them the BENEFITS of getting an education so the male will not see it is a chore. He is working towards something and that is a good life, whereas for black males we are taught different from our sisters.

We are told by our mothers(because the father isn't there most of the time due to some other bullshyt) to go to school because you are supposed to while the girl is told getting an education will help her look like she is doing her thing(black girls rock!), she can get a new car, buy the best clothes, and eat out whenever she wants, she doesn't need a man. Most guys want games, to drink or smoke with their buddies, get some p*ssy from a girl you are feeling, take her out once in a while, make some money, and see it grow, and eat a nice meal everyday, BUT we are told we NEED a woman to complete us instead of letting us know it is good to be men and FIND the right women to COMPLEMENT us. Most of the things we like, we are told they are childish and have a negative association with them so these boys grow up not seeing how they can have these things by getting an education, and a good career, as long as they keep their balls and not let the girls dream take over theirs because if he does these things he has to deal with a lady telling him he needs to grow up and do the things she considers mature which is really what she wants to do.

Boys need more men to tell them the truth about life and how they can live their dreams by using the tools in front of them. Unfortunately, if you do these things you will be seen as a "bad man" to the women in their lives because it goes against their dream of having a man going according to their plans instead of his. It should be, both plans will combine to make a better one but I guess this is how this bullshyt world is, only the strong, and intelligent can make it work for them.

 

[The Collie]

I only care about my future kids graduating. Everyone else is on their own.

 

[folasade]

No matter how many times and ways this is said, it still is ridiculous to me. For one, it completely ignores that men have the same exact influence on women. You have men in here saying that being perceived as smart does not negatively effect Black girls among boys growing up Yall have to be kidding. Myself and the majority of my closest circle of female friends lived that shyt lol. Where do yall think Awkward Black Girl came from? Yet it still didn't make me come to high school in skin tight clothes or short skirts nor did it make me become a bird fukking in the locker room. And if it had, how many people would be asking the men to change the women they gave attention in order to stop all these teenager pregnancies and 'black girls lost'? Nobody. Try even creating a thread about that and see how quickly you get laughed at and the men tell you she knows the path she chose and its on nobody but her. And that's the way it should be. Yet when we get to Black boys, we are so hesitant. Its pathetic really.

Secondly, people speak about Black community this and that and make comparisons to others, but how many of you have actually grown up around white people? The types of differences you think we have are nonexistent. White women make the same kind of choices in the popular boys and jocks, and yet white men still find a way to succeed. Its because drive to success is internal. And their drive is not to just fukk as many women as they can and buy big rims. They eventually want families and generational wealth, not just p*ssy, so they work towards that. Your enviorment may effect the level of success you reach, but it will not stop you from having a productive life if that's what you internally want. However, if you internally just want to get p*ssy and that's your whole life goal, (which is what you all are condoning for Black boys here, call it what it is) your life will be fukked up. And that's your fault and you deserve that.

Thank you. The male posters here constantly act as if girls/women aren't made to feel the same way when it comes to education. Women have been dumbing themselves down for decades to appeal more men. The "IT'S WOMEN FAULT" excuse is played out.

 

[PartyHeart]

I agree with this but I think the difference between white males, and black males, is that the white males have a male to tell them the BENEFITS of getting an education so the male will not see it is a chore. He is working towards something and that is a good life, whereas for black males we are taught different from our sisters.

We are told by our mothers(because the father isn't there most of the time due to some other bullshyt) to go to school because you are supposed to while the girl is told getting an education will help her look like she is doing her thing(black girls rock!), she can get a new car, buy the best clothes, and eat out whenever she wants, she doesn't need a man. Most guys want games, to drink or smoke with their buddies, get some p*ssy from a girl you are feeling, take her out once in a while, make some money, and see it grow, and eat a nice meal everyday, BUT we are told we NEED a woman to complete us instead of letting us know it is good to be men and FIND the right women to COMPLEMENT us. Most of the things we like, we are told they are childish and have a negative association with them so these boys grow up not seeing how they can have these things by getting an education, and a good career, as long as they keep their balls and not let the girls dream take over theirs because if he does these things he has to deal with a lady telling him he needs to grow up and do the things she considers mature which is really what she wants to do.

Boys need more men to tell them the truth about life and how they can live their dreams by using the tools in front of them. Unfortunately, if you do these things you will be seen as a "bad man" to the women in their lives because it goes against their dream of having a man going according to their plans instead of his. It should be, both plans will combine to make a better one but I guess this is how this bullshyt world is, only the strong, and intelligent can make it work for them.

I definitely agree the "love our sons and raise our daughters" motto is crippling in the Black community, which is what I think the first sentence in your 2nd paragraph is referring to. But I think always talking about girls and what girls can do when talking about boy problems is an exact example of that mentality. Like I said, how often do we talk about girl problems and then bring up what boys should be doing to stop girl problems? Never. We must instill the same responsibility into boys that we try to instill into girls.

As for the part in bold, really? Do other guys agree with this experience? It seems to me girls are told that, not boys.

 

[bouncy]

I definitely agree the "love our sons and raise our daughters" motto is crippling in the Black community, which is what I think the first sentence in your 2nd paragraph is referring to. But I think always talking about girls and what girls can do when talking about boy problems is an exact example of that mentality. Like I said, how often do we talk about girl problems and then bring what boys should be doing to stop girl problems? Never. We must instill the same responsibility into boys and we try to instill into girls.

As for the part in bold, really? Do other guys agree with this experience? It seems to me girls are told that, not boys.

I hear you, BUT your mother is your first teacher, and if you constantly see her guide your sister, as far as school, and you don't see how you fit in that picture without looking lame(not living the way you want) YET you still want that admiration from a female, you will end up doing things the wrong way just to get that feeling. I'm not saying men fukk up their life for women but they do fukk up their life for that feeling of admiration that they don't get from their mother. It is just something men can't talk about because if you say anything bad about your mother, you're bad.

I recently came to terms with this, and I love my mother to death but I remember her telling my sister she can do this and that, even though she didn't work as hard as I did, while telling me to get a job and have a family at 19 YEARS OLD because I wanted to try something different then going to school to just get a degree. I wanted to find a CAREER that I was happy with. It was like since I wasn't doing things the way she thought they should be done she gave up on me and as I looked back she always did that but in a subtle way, and it hurt me so I reacted in ways that hurt me, while she gave my sister too much confidence and she thinks she could do anything when that is not the case. Everything I did from music to investing, she didn't believe I could do it as well as most people who I told, BUT if my sister try to do these things they pushed her and told her she could do it. Again all of this was subtle and it was when I thought about all of this that I made the connections. I noticed other guys went through the same thing but they won't really go there because it is just something you don't do.

Maybe if women had a father who was around them and did the same, I can't blame girls totally for doing dumb shyt to get that attention and admiration their father didn't give them, from boys. Unfortunately, in this society it's ok to blame the father for everything, even when he wasn't there but you better not say shyt about the mother because like 2pac said, "even as a crack fiend mama, you always was a black queen mama".

Guys are told that in subtle ways, such as not having a girlfriend means you are lame or you aren't a real man, even though most just bag the first thing they can get just for some quick p*ssy and the chicks end up playing them on the low. Really it effects both sexes but when a women does it, she is going towards her career or can't find a good man, when a man doesn't settle with one chick, he is either gay or have issues.

 

[Serious]

Guys are told that in subtle ways, such as not having a girlfriend means you are lame or you aren't a real man, even though most just bag the first thing they can get just for some quick p*ssy and the chicks end up playing them on the low. Really it effects both sexes but when a women does it, she is going towards her career or can't find a good man, when a man doesn't settle with one chick, he is either gay or have issues.

Sounds like the majority of tlr