Black kids are dumber, says the Florida Board of Education

[theworldismine13]

I asked you to put the same emphasis you get into blaming black culture for their failures in education into public schools and their cultural mistreatment of black students.

For you to bring up charter schools where only 17% of them outpace public schools as some sort of rescue does not address your lack of input regarding the cultural shortcomings of the public school system and how they treat black children.

There's so much to that, but you seem to out so much into telling people how many ways black culture is at fault while giving props to band aid solutions.

Man please. Read up on how these schools treat our kids....where the drop off in test scores begin. Netherlands difference in suspension rates, even in fukkin PRE SCHOOL where our boys are 7 times likely to be suspended for similar offenses committed by white children. It amazes me how you never get into detail about the short comings of the public school system and its treat,net of black kids but can wax poetics about how fukked up black culture is when it comes to education.

It's see through. You DL the same shyt about blacks killed in Libya.

You lack flexibility.

i dont know what to tell you, what part of "I dont believe in the public school system" is it that you are not understanding

if racism is engrained into these bureaucracies, how is destroying these bureaucracies and replacing it with independent schools not addressing the issue, and again if the charter schools dont work, then it should go to vouchers where parent can put their kids in private schools

and if charter schools suk why are parents scrambling to get their kids into one?

by coincidence i just posted this thread at the same time

http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...l-reform-moves-crucial-vote.html#.UIDZCWdST-4

i think this is a good story, where they at the school system, that is addressing your question

your problem is that you are trying to negotiate with the bureaucracy, im suggesting it be destroyed

 

[NYC Rebel]

i dont know what to tell you, what part of "I dont believe in the public school system" is it that you are not understanding

if racism is engrained into these bureaucracies, how is destroying these bureaucracies and replacing it with independent schools not addressing the issue, and again if the charter schools dont work, then it should go to vouchers where parent can put their kids in private schools

and if charter schools suk why are parents scrambling to get their kids into one?

by coincidence i just posted this thread at the same time

http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...l-reform-moves-crucial-vote.html#.UIDZCWdST-4

i think this is a good story, where they at the school system, that is addressing your question

you are trying to negotiate with the bureaucracy, im suggesting it be destroyed

Key point you say "if racism"

Dog...read up and tell me what you found, not "ifs."

Citing the obvious about school successes has nothing to do with your obvious insights about the specifics tied to the mistreatment of those black kids you're always talking about when speaking about the alleged flawed culture that's affecting their education.

How the fukk can you bring up Charter Schools as a way to go if you honestly read up on their OVERALL impact?
http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/MULTIPLE_CHOICE_CREDO.pdf

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Instead of getting mad at the so called state, you all need to be mad at all of these ignorant anti-education kids that are running free out here. It does exist, whether you nikkas choose the believe it or not. Many parents seemingly have all but given up when it comes to raising kids now-a-days. Its sad but true. These policies are simply a result of trying to manage severely under-performing kids that have little to no help or encouragement academically. Blaming the state achieves nothing here. Focus on fixing families first. You can worry about the sate later.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Instead of getting mad at the so called state, you all need to be mad at all of these ignorant anti-education kids that are running free out here. It does exist, whether you nikkas choose the believe it or not. Many parents seemingly have all but given up when it comes to raising kids now-a-days. Its sad but true. These policies are simply a result of trying to manage severely under-performing kids that have little to no help or encouragement academically. Blaming the state achieves nothing here. Focus on fixing families first. You can worry about the sate later.

I'm not mad at the state. They're doing what they're going to do.

shyt....they give black kids A's just for behaving well.

What is it that black kids, boys really, collectively slump grade wise around 4th grade?

What happens in grade four parenting wise that we see this aggregate decline in grades?

 

[theworldismine13]

Key point you say "if racism"

Dog...read up and tell me what you found, not "ifs."

Citing the obvious about school successes has nothing to do with your obvious insights about the specifics tied to the mistreatment of those black kids you're always talking about when speaking about the alleged flawed culture that's affecting their education.

i never agreed that the mistreatment of black kids was the cause of bad academic performance, that is your assertion not mines, the onus is on you to prove your assertion, feel free to post your evidence that proves your assertion

the fundamental IMO reason for low black academic performance is the culture and the environment at home

the public school system is based on the assumption that a a child is already ready to learn when he/she enters the building and goes back to a home where somebody is there making sure they read and do their homework

so from my point of view its irrelevant whether public schools are racist or not, i think the system itself should be eliminated and replaced with charter schools and private schools that have the flexibility to deal with kids that dont have somebody to read to them and make sure they do their homework

and part of that is having the parent actively involved, the current public school system encourages parents to use schools as baby sitters, if the onus is put on the parent to choose what schools their kids goes that will force parents to get involved

so even if a charter school performs the same as a public school i believe the enforced parental involvement and a smaller more independent bureaucracy would address things like racism in the classroom more efficiently

but i never agreed that racism or sexism in the classroom was the fundamental problem that is your assertion, but even if your assertion is correct my suggestion addresses it, it address everything actually

and again its not just charter schools, its about vouchers also, the point is to maximize options for parents, if a charter is not performing then the parent should switch schools and if it continues to perform badly the charter should be shut down

and i dont get what the link is suppose to show

 

[NYC Rebel]

i never agreed that the mistreatment of black kids was the cause of bad academic performance, that is your assertion not mines, the onus is on you to prove your assertion, feel free to post your evidence that proves your assertion

the fundamental IMO reason for low black academic performance is the culture and the environment at home

the public school system is based on the assumption that a a child is already ready to learn when he/she enters the building and goes back to a home where somebody is there making sure they read and do their homework

so from my point of view its irrelevant whether public schools are racist or not, i think the system itself should be eliminated and replaced with charter schools and private schools that have the flexibility to deal with kids that dont have somebody to read to them and make sure they do their homework

and part of that is having the parent actively involved, the current public school system encourages parents to use schools as baby sitters, if the onus is put on the parent to choose what schools their kids goes that will force parents to get involved

so even if a charter school performs the same as a public school i believe the enforced parental involvement and a smaller more independent bureaucracy would address things like racism in the classroom more efficiently

but i never agreed that racism or sexism in the classroom was the fundamental problem that is your assertion, but even if your assertion is correct my suggestion addresses it, it address everything actually

and again its not just charter schools, its about vouchers also, the point is to maximize options for parents, if a charter is not performing then the parent should switch schools and if it continues to perform badly the charter should be shut down

Of course you're going to deem racism as irrelevant to justify you not investigating and researching those factors (you certainly haven't brought a case to debunk Its irrelevance) in the first place.

It's all about not being moved from your beliefs.

Its about where your priorities stubbornly lie and you continue to litter the board with with that pompous attitude.

A know it all that doesn't want to know what may move him from what he thinks is right.

 

[theworldismine13]

Of course you're going to deem racism as irrelevant to justify you not investigating and researching those factors (you certainly haven't brought a case to debunk Its irrelevance) in the first place.

It's all about not being moved from your beliefs.

Its about where your priorities stubbornly lie and you continue to litter the board with with that pompous attitude.

A know it all that doesn't want to know what may move him from what he thinks is right.

again, the onus is on you to prove your assertions, not on me, ive read about 4th grade syndrome but the problem is that most studies shows that black kids are behind starting from kindergarten, not in just 4th grade, so that points to home life being the issue

and again if you believe racism is the issue, my suggestion addresses it, because my suggestion puts the onus on the parent, the parent has to choose what school their child goes to, and it puts the onus on the school because it will be shut down or lose money if it doesn't perform

 

[Serious]

They throw black boys in special ed and other programs so quick in public schools that it will make your head spin

Not to c00n it or anything, but when I was in elementary school(PWI) we(black males) were the one's being disruptive, not paying attention, starting fights and getting suspended. Come to think of it I was in the office damn near once a month, but than again, I wasn't acting like an angel either....

I was reluctant though, because my grandmother was a former teacher, so she stayed on me. I always did my hw after school + on the weekends I'd be dismantling academic workbooks. Still couldn't keep up with those Koreans though, they were like robots....

Matter of fact, I should get her insight on the situation, maybe that's why she stayed hard on me SOB.....

and part of that is having the parent actively involved, the current public school system encourages parents to use schools as baby sitters, if the onus is put on the parent to choose what schools their kids goes that will force parents to get involved

Very true.....

 

[The_Sheff]

i will be prining this out and reading tonight....fuk trees

you have to, as a parent care, or your kids don't get the same education, but let's be real, even IF you care, if you don't know enough yourself how can we expect parents to be good teachers...given that their parents when through the same shyt system they went through.

Like it's been said we need a good education system IN SPITE of parents.

Lowering standards isn't how you arrive at that btw...

Even if you did receive a sub standard education as a child, as an adult with many more years to learn out in the real world if you cant help educate a kid from kindergarten till 4th grade then you have no business having children. Kids are showing up to school not even being able to recognize numbers or letters. Thats completely unacceptable.

 

[Wildin]

@ the sheff

i think it goes both ways...kids are showin up to school unprepared, goin to classes unprepared (literally no pens, pencils, paper or books, just showin up to hang out) they get suspended and expelled so much that they wait until that year 16,17,18 then just drop out.

truancy is an issue and parents need to make sure their kids are going to school and getting their education, i know of areas where parents get tickets and have to go to court if kids dont show up to school and such. its just a back and forth, punishing the parent for the bad kid, or punishing the good kid for the bad parent.

 

[Tom]

Let's be reality should the sugar coat it?

Like I said before


Intelligence is hereditary, it's been scientifically proven.

If you selectively breed the dumbest and strongest slaves repeatedly for 400 years and make it illegal for them to read and get an education then what do you expect the final outcome to be?

While cacs were going to Ivy League schools all throughout the 1600-1800s blacks were killed if they even attempted to put a letter together

I don't want to turn this into another blame the white man post the the truth is the truth.

There's no mystery as to why we run sports but fail academically. 400 years of systematic breeding and denial of education is the reason why we are where we are today collectively.

Only way to solve this shyt would be to atleast provide higher education (college/trade school etc) free of cost to all descendants of slaves. Affirmative action ain't enough and is an insult.


If black kids are dumber statistically then it's because America planned for this to happen.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

the focus should zero in on our culture.

Culture is a catalyst in everything, it determines whether something has a positive or negative effect.

you here about it constantly in all facets of life, from the fortune 500 to sports. You cannot change anything without addressing the culture first and foremost.

Our public schools are a byproduct of our culture. Ask yourself this question, why do more black parents show up to athletic events than they do to PTA meetings? It is because our culture places more value on athletic accomplishments than they do academic.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Why are whites never compared to asians when it comes to academic achievement in America? Why is the issue always blacks and latinos, compared to whites.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

Why are whites never compared to asians when it comes to academic achievement in America? Why is the issue always blacks and latinos, compared to whites.

simple answer.

white's have a superiority complex. they only compare themselves to people who they obviously fare better than.

 

[the next guy]

@88m3 @tru_m.a.c @NYC Rebel @Serious @Type Username Here @rastafarwrite81

All of you are right on some level but to be honest Latinos, Blacks, Whites are all lagging. White Girls want their own reality show and the black kids want to play sports, the latinos a little of both. None of the three primary races is taking education seriously. BY all means blacks need to step it up. But America is lagging because the majority wants instant gratification. There is no reason why black immigrants come here and succeed while while blacks born here struggle. And that applied to whites and latinos as well