Black kids are dumber, says the Florida Board of Education
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Why do people always argue about culture vs. structural conditions in a binary way like the culture developed in a vacuum, instead of being sociologically fostered in a crucible of bleak structural conditions, and thus has now become normative and compounds the structural hindrances? We need to start looking at things more holistically.
i refuse to read all thru this thread. but i hope yall dont believe the Op's title. thats not the point of what florida was doing. the only way you will figure that out is by paying good attention to the statistics.
if black people in florida have to play catchup in education because they were held back by no faul of their own. meaning do to class issues, as well as racism (not allowing the best of materials to be placed in public schools where blacks reside most). means blacks will need more time to catchup then others who were given better tools years ago.
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^^^ After a 2nd reading I sort of see what they are getting at.....but the presentation just comes off very much slimy and bias to say the least....They could have just said we want the various racial/cultural groups to surpass these thresholds...where they are currently at.....and besides what if you are part Dominican and Filipiino, but identify as black........or hell any mixture for that matter...how exactly are you going to determine if they did well for their race....
The thing is rather ridiculous.....they could have just said these groups are at these levels and we want them to surpass these thresholds...problem solved.......
The thing is rather ridiculous.....they could have just said these groups are at these levels and we want them to surpass these thresholds...problem solved.......
^^^ After a 2nd reading I sort of see what they are getting at.....but the presentation just comes off very much slimy and bias to say the least....They could have just said we want the various racial/cultural groups to surpass these thresholds...where they are currently at.....and besides what if you are part Dominican and Filipiino, but identify as black........or hell any mixture for that matter...how exactly are you going to determine if they did well for their race....
The thing is rather ridiculous.....they could have just said these groups are at these levels and we want them to surpass these thresholds...problem solved.......
thats is what they said. what happened was the media ran with it and incorrectly put it out there. even i was all up in arms.
the wife had to tell me 
and go over it again. she is in education. so we were discussing the system anyway. then i realized. oh yeah that is what it says. but now they have black college professors talking about this thing the wrong way. because of how it was presented. could it have been presented a bit better? sure. but the truth is the truth.only 38% of black kids in florida's public school system or atleast that county. is at or above proficiency TODAY.
the plan they have in place says by X date, lets say 2018 i think. they will have 77% of black kids in florida's public shcool system or county(if that was just for a county i cant recall) at or above proficiency.
so lets break down even further.
if you have 100% black kids in florida.
only 38% of them is up to snuff
by 2018, 77% of them will be up to snuff.
and thats a huge improvement.
the reason they broke it down like this. is because its better to dis-aggregate the data then not to. this is how you find trends and are able to attack them.
meaning to get those floridian black kids at 77%. they may need to do special after school programs so they can finish their homework at the school since we know it wont happen when they get home because there is no parent there(working, or on crack, etc). where as lets say the asian community doesnt need that same help. but of course they dont. they were not slaves as an entire race in america, they are not intentionally held back in america like black people are even today. so of course we need more time and effort put into us then the average joe blow.
read this , the wife pretty much said the same thing. since she was a sociology major amongst other things and has been in education for shoot 7+ years. she would know. lol.
there are a lot of falsehoods in this post
how is BET not black culture? i agree its not the whole of black culture but BET is definitely a part of black culture
but the culture that im referring to is academic culture, not music, food or dance, but things like reading with children, study habits and vocabulary are all part of an academic culture and generally speaking things like that, that create academic environments, happen less in black households then in white or asian households
secondly nobody said anything about intellectual superiority, in fact saying its cultural is to say the other way around, its saying whites and asian arent intellectually superior, its simply cultural
thirdly i would disagree that economics is the main thing, black students underperform regardless of income
but its a strong education that produces economic growth, its not the other way around, there is no such thing as addressing economics AND then education will get fixed, you cannot address economics of a neighborhood without addressing the education of the neighborhood
i do agree that the situation at home needs to be addressed and that is why i was saying the whole public school system needs to be looked at as to whether it should even exist in the first place, the public school system is not built to handle students that dont come from an academically oriented home, and they have to start, the school system has to start doing what parents themselves arent doing or arent capable of doing and it has to push parents to be more involved
i do think its funny that yall want to talk about cacs and racism, but get
when i suggest eliminating the public school system, do you actually have a problem with "cacs" teaching black children or are you just venting?
rastafarwrite81
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by no means am I saying that sociological issues do not impact the present state of black america. What I am saying is that in order to effect a change in these sociological inequities, we need to focus on changing the overall culture of black americans.
the perpetuation of a negative culture is what contines to depress the black agenda from ever reaching a legitamate starting point. Poverty is due to lack of knowledge or skill, and by strictly focusing on what caused us to be in poverty we divert attention from what we can control, which is the overall culture that dominates the black perspective.
We cannot control how much money is given to inner city neighborhoods, what we can control is the focus and attention that we give to our children and their education.
Education is the great equalizer in this country. By reinforcing that education is starting point to end poverty we can dramatically alter our culture, which leads to better socioeconomic conditions and opportunities.
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Like I said before
Intelligence is hereditary, it's been scientifically proven.
If you selectively breed the dumbest and strongest slaves repeatedly for 400 years and make it illegal for them to read and get an education then what do you expect the final outcome to be?
While cacs were going to Ivy League schools all throughout the 1600-1800s blacks were killed if they even attempted to put a letter together
I don't want to turn this into another blame the white man post the the truth is the truth.
There's no mystery as to why we run sports but fail academically. 400 years of systematic breeding and denial of education is the reason why we are where we are today collectively.
Only way to solve this shyt would be to atleast provide higher education (college/trade school etc) free of cost to all descendants of slaves. Affirmative action ain't enough and is an insult.
If black kids are dumber statistically then it's because America planned for this to happen.
so nobody agrees with this artificial selection hypothesis?
400 yrs of selective breeding to keep black folks moronic yet strong and athletic has absolutely no effect on what goes on today?
My family and i are great but unfortunately since you're a demon i cant discuss the details of my life with you but rest assured, we're doing great. Worry about yourself and lets not gossip like the women but instead speak on these social issues in a broader sense instead of you know, speaking on them like, broads, friend.
I'm not gossiping, though. I'm talking straight to you, directly and openly. You can talk about it in a larger sense if you want, just watch your words and don't be a demonic hypocrite.
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Why should a school be punished with lower test scores and consequentially lower funding or unwanted administrative attention just because it has too many people of the wrong demographic?
How is that fair to the school? The school has no control over the students' cultural inputs at home.
Some of the so-called "best" schools in the silicon valley are 70-90% Asian American (chinese/indian). Are these schools doing something better than the other schools, or is simply the students who are producing these high schools?
I'm willing to bet that a school's demographic is the number one factor in influencing a school's test schools and graduation rates.
If we take racial test averages as given (they seem to be anyways), then a school's funding could depend on how many low average students are enrolled--regardless of the school's best efforts. I think it's more fair to schools if certain expectations are adjusted to control for the variable and uncontrollable factors (racial mixture) that a school faces.
How is that fair to the school? The school has no control over the students' cultural inputs at home.
Some of the so-called "best" schools in the silicon valley are 70-90% Asian American (chinese/indian). Are these schools doing something better than the other schools, or is simply the students who are producing these high schools?
I'm willing to bet that a school's demographic is the number one factor in influencing a school's test schools and graduation rates.
If we take racial test averages as given (they seem to be anyways), then a school's funding could depend on how many low average students are enrolled--regardless of the school's best efforts. I think it's more fair to schools if certain expectations are adjusted to control for the variable and uncontrollable factors (racial mixture) that a school faces.
Equal potential, doesnt mean equal results, and according to their data, black kids may be well behind. 
Dusty Bake Activate
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I don't disagree with this. I just think these discussions often tend to get bogged down in these sort of binary, compartmentalized culture vs. racism/social inequality arguments. We need to look at the whole picture and how every factor intermeshes. That's all.
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