Black kids are dumber, says the Florida Board of Education

[Mr. Somebody]

there is nothing wrong with stating your grievances as a citizen, but its retarded to make grievances your economic plan or your education plan, when you do that you are essentially demanding that white people come into black neighborhoods and fix the neighborhood and the schools

I dont believe people do that. Its just ignorance that has to be wiped slowly, each generation. Everyone wants an overnight cultural revolution of thought, but its not going to happen in this climate but it will happen, through natural selection

 

[iamduval]

So how does this trickle down to the classroom. Are teachers going to neglect certain black students?

 

[Brown_Pride]

by no means am I saying that sociological issues do not impact the present state of black america. What I am saying is that in order to effect a change in these sociological inequities, we need to focus on changing the overall culture of black americans.

the perpetuation of a negative culture is what contines to depress the black agenda from ever reaching a legitamate starting point. Poverty is due to lack of knowledge or skill, and by strictly focusing on what caused us to be in poverty we divert attention from what we can control, which is the overall culture that dominates the black perspective.

We cannot control how much money is given to inner city neighborhoods, what we can control is the focus and attention that we give to our children and their education.


Education is the great equalizer in this country. By reinforcing that education is starting point to end poverty we can dramatically alter our culture, which leads to better socioeconomic conditions and opportunities.

i've given this a shyt ton of thought lately. First and foremost who is the WE in that statement? Black americans?

Second,
The culture is what it is now and i really don't see that changing. It's a culture perpetuated into negativity by an exponential factor...and Honestly i don't see how anyone is going to change this, black white or other. The problem is to vast right now and the hooks are in to deep to be removed.

I've said that to resolve the issues faced by minorities you'd have to address several issues at once.

The problems is those with the power to address them don't because they'd lose that power, the masses don't do it because in all honesty THEY'RE TO FUKIN STUPID to care much less get up and do something about it.

This is why, IMHO, the shyt needs to be legislated. it's not about whitey fixing problems, it's about forcing people to recognize they have problems.

That IMHO is the benefit of "social leaders" that we experienced in people like MLK, X, Chavez, etc. They lead the masses and made them care.

I don't see a figure like these guys popping up again.

It's nihilistic and i'd love to change it so help me out here, where do we go from today...

 

[Juneya]

Wow... But Blacks are in the lower class neighborhoods... Not asians. Not CACs... The lower class neighborhoods dont get new books every year. They go home to different obstacles.

Do you not want them to take that into account at all... then how do you feel about affirmative action...

 

[Juneya]

I should have read before I posted... I hate when i get to the thread late...

 

[rastafarwrite81]

i've given this a shyt ton of thought lately. First and foremost who is the WE in that statement? Black americans?

Second,
The culture is what it is now and i really don't see that changing. It's a culture perpetuated into negativity by an exponential factor...and Honestly i don't see how anyone is going to change this, black white or other. The problem is to vast right now and the hooks are in to deep to be removed.

I've said that to resolve the issues faced by minorities you'd have to address several issues at once.

The problems is those with the power to address them don't because they'd lose that power, the masses don't do it because in all honesty THEY'RE TO FUKIN STUPID to care much less get up and do something about it.

This is why, IMHO, the shyt needs to be legislated. it's not about whitey fixing problems, it's about forcing people to recognize they have problems.

That IMHO is the benefit of "social leaders" that we experienced in people like MLK, X, Chavez, etc. They lead the masses and made them care.

I don't see a figure like these guys popping up again.

It's nihilistic and i'd love to change it so help me out here, where do we go from today...

The we refers to black americans. We (black americans) cannot depend on people outside of the culture to fix our culture.

second, we do not need legislation in order to promote social change. That remains an internal focus. Change cannot happen externally until change is made internally. Our focus is to escape poverty, yet the best way to do so is not seen as the optimal route by so many of our children.

Right now, it is mandated that children be educated between certain ages. We have the right to choose the method of education or children receive, whether that be through home schooling, private schooling, or public schooling. The avenues to bring about the change we desperately need are present. It is just that many choose not to use them.

So, the question now becomes how do we in effect provide sound education and how do we make sure that our children take advantage of said education.

 

[Juneya]

everyone likes to say this, but I think we need an education system that helps kids even if they have crappy parents

definitely... An education system that is the strength of the community. The school is where kids spend most of their time anyway. The school is the only place some of these kids are at peace. I know many teachers (it seemed to be the trend during the recession, cant find a job... go teach) and I heard so many horror stories. Beyond grades. These kids are dealing with so much when they go home.

I read a couple post on the critical thinking abilities of the teachers, and I agree with that, but I think its bigger than the teachers. The education system as a whole needs to be more involved in the communities they are a part of. Beyond football.

 

[Brown_Pride]

The we refers to black americans. We (black americans) cannot depend on people outside of the culture to fix our culture.

understood

second, we do not need legislation in order to promote social change. That remains an internal focus. Change cannot happen externally until change is made internally. Our focus is to escape poverty, yet the best way to do so is not seen as the optimal route by so many of our children.

what is that way?

Right now, it is mandated that children be educated between certain ages. We have the right to choose the method of education or children receive, whether that be through home schooling, private schooling, or public schooling. The avenues to bring about the change we desperately need are present. It is just that many choose not to use them.

and what is that best way? or rather what is the way you'd choose?

So, the question now becomes how do we in effect provide sound education and how do we make sure that our children take advantage of said education.

hasn't that always been the question?

 

[theworldismine13]

definitely... An education system that is the strength of the community. The school is where kids spend most of their time anyway. The school is the only place some of these kids are at peace. I know many teachers (it seemed to be the trend during the recession, cant find a job... go teach) and I heard so many horror stories. Beyond grades. These kids are dealing with so much when they go home.

I read a couple post on the critical thinking abilities of the teachers, and I agree with that, but I think its bigger than the teachers. The education system as a whole needs to be more involved in the communities they are a part of. Beyond football.

i addressed this but its too next level for a lot of people, in places where the public school system is completely broken the public school system should be shut down and replaced with vouchers and charter schools

 

[rastafarwrite81]

The we refers to black americans. We (black americans) cannot depend on people outside of the culture to fix our culture.

understood

what is that way?

and what is that best way? or rather what is the way you'd choose?

hasn't that always been the question?

that entire post was about EDUCATION.

Did you read the entire thread or did you skim through it?

I specifically stated that I beleive that EDUCATION is the clear path towards advancing the black agenda in this country.

 

[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

The sooner people realize race has nothing to do with a "starting point" but parents/cultural value systems do the better.

Parents/cultural value systems can be race-related though.

 

[Brown_Pride]

no shyt education is the subject, i asked for specifics.

second, we do not need legislation in order to promote social change. That remains an internal focus. Change cannot happen externally until change is made internally. Our focus is to escape poverty, yet the best way to do so is not seen as the optimal route by so many of our children.

OK so kids don't want an education. Shocking. I was hoping you actually had something to add beyond the obvious. This leads to the question how do you teach someone who doesn't care to be taught? THAT is what i want to know, without forcing them, particularly in regards to minorities?

Right now, it is mandated that children be educated between certain ages. We have the right to choose the method of education or children receive, whether that be through home schooling, private schooling, or public schooling. The avenues to bring about the change we desperately need are present. It is just that many choose not to use them.

Again i thought you had something deeper to add other than pulling ones self up by their boot straps. Yes the avenues are there, you can get a decent education, and all things being EQUAL those avenues are open for everyone, the problem is that not all things are equal.

So, the question now becomes how do we in effect provide sound education and how do we make sure that our children take advantage of said education.

well fuk me if you didn't just state the most obvious shyt in this thread and I was hoping you had more details. The questions didn't just "now become" the questions has always been how do we educate our children.

Children do not typically learn because they like it, those types of kids have to be grown, occasionally they are born with that inquisitive nature but by and large kids either need to be forced to learn or taught to value knowledge and either of those two options have not really been successfully implemented.

3 people play a role in education:

1 The child
2 The parents/community
3 The gubment/teachers

I personally don't see the "community" coming together to solve this issue, sorry i don't, i'd like to, but it's just not in the cards more often than not the parents/community are comprised of people who filtered there way through the same shyt system. Baring some "leadership" the "community" is in a state of shambles and it's only getting worse.

The child is ...well just a child. Children need guidance and given the guidance they have it's a wonder we suck at so many things now in regards to education.

The Gobment, baring a community uprising of education support, is the best/easiest aspect to change in this situation. If done right this could be the catalyst.

I don't like it, but keeping it 100 that's how I see things right now, if I'm wrong then good, that means it's not as fuked up as i thought. If i'm not though, then we really need to do something about this...

 

[Serious]

Parents/cultural value systems can be race-related though.

Tom?

 

[rastafarwrite81]

no shyt education is the subject, i asked for specifics.
OK so kids don't want an education. Shocking. I was hoping you actually had something to add beyond the obvious. This leads to the question how do you teach someone who doesn't care to be taught? THAT is what i want to know, without forcing them, particularly in regards to minorities?

Again i thought you had something deeper to add other than pulling ones self up by their boot straps. Yes the avenues are there, you can get a decent education, and all things being EQUAL those avenues are open for everyone, the problem is that not all things are equal.


well fuk me if you didn't just state the most obvious shyt in this thread and I was hoping you had more details. The questions didn't just "now become" the questions has always been how do we educate our children.

Children do not typically learn because they like it, those types of kids have to be grown, occasionally they are born with that inquisitive nature but by and large kids either need to be forced to learn or taught to value knowledge and either of those two options have not really been successfully implemented.

3 people play a role in education:

1 The child
2 The parents/community
3 The gubment/teachers

I personally don't see the "community" coming together to solve this issue, sorry i don't, i'd like to, but it's just not in the cards more often than not the parents/community are comprised of people who filtered there way through the same shyt system. Baring some "leadership" the "community" is in a state of shambles and it's only getting worse.

The child is ...well just a child. Children need guidance and given the guidance they have it's a wonder we suck at so many things now in regards to education.

The Gobment, baring a community uprising of education support, is the best/easiest aspect to change in this situation. If done right this could be the catalyst.

I don't like it, but keeping it 100 that's how I see things right now, if I'm wrong then good, that means it's not as fuked up as i thought. If i'm not though, then we really need to do something about this...

once again, did you read through the ENTIRE thread or did you just skim through it???

Ill break it down for you.

First and foremost we need to reinvest in the education of our people. Not only financially but with our time. We begin by focusing on empowering those who have become mired in the welfare mentality. This is done by providing training in how to manage personal finances, parental guidance workshops that focus on the benefits of proper nutrition as well as teaching these individuals why discipline and structure is necessary.

The next step should be to provide therapy for families and reinforce that poverty can be a temporary state that exists not because of skin color but because of a lack of accountability. No one who is in their right frame of mind would chose to live and raise children in poverty. Yet so many generations of black americans are raised in these horrible conditions. These conditions lead to people opting to make a quick dollar today by illegal means instead of focusing on making 100 dollars tomorrow from the degree you hold.


The next and most important step is to take control of how we educate our children. We need have black owned and run institutions that, with parent involvement, will allow our children to become better prepared to live in this society. It should not only focuses on academic knowledge but also personal knowledge; nutrition, self esteem building classes, personal finance related classes etc.

As you can see the foundation is educating our people, and through education we can affect the foundation of our culture

 

[Brown_Pride]

once again, did you read through the ENTIRE thread or did you just skim through it???

Ill break it down for you.

First and foremost we need to reinvest in the education of our people. Not only financially but with our time. We begin by focusing on empowering those who have become mired in the welfare mentality. This is done by providing training in how to manage personal finances, parental guidance workshops that focus on the benefits of proper nutrition as well as teaching these individuals why discipline and structure is necessary.

now do you suppose you fill those classes? Look i get what you're saying, and I agree by and large, but there are other larger problems that need to be addressed either at the same time or first. As I said, how do you educate someone who does not want to be educated?

The next step should be to provide therapy for families and reinforce that poverty can be a temporary state that exists not because of skin color but because of a lack of accountability. No one who is in their right frame of mind would chose to live and raise children in poverty. Yet so many generations of black americans are raised in these horrible conditions. These conditions lead to people opting to make a quick dollar today by illegal means instead of focusing on making 100 dollars tomorrow from the degree you hold.

You do realize that there are countless programs, churches, mosques, etc, etc that do this already. For each one they "save/educate" 3 more are out there who "fall through the cracks". Not only that but WHO is going to be doing this training? This reprogramming? Is that still the "WE". If it is that shyt is dead in the water...

The next and most important step is to take control of how we educate our children. We need have black owned and run institutions that, with parent involvement, will allow our children to become better prepared to live in this society. It should not only focuses on academic knowledge but also personal knowledge; nutrition, self esteem building classes, personal finance related classes etc.

great Idea, no really it is, in fact all of your ideas are great, in fact they are already being implemented in communities around this nation, they are not enough. You're fighting an exponential problem with a geometric solution. 1 step forward 3 steps back. It has to come from more than the community,the community isn't enough as it stands right now.

As you can see the foundation is educating our people, and through education we can affect the foundation of our culture

Education has always been the key, but there's more to education that simply education. That is what i'm trying to arrive at.