black feminism/womanism thread

[Onlooker]

I am about to start back reading Sister Citizen by Melissa Harris-Perry; are you looking more for contemporary stuff or do you already have the foundational readings down? Let me know, i got links to online pdf's that we use in class as well.

Why not put some suggestions in the OP?

 

[J-Nice]

Why not put some suggestions in the OP?

I have some authors I brought up on the first page. I also have some PDF material of Bell Hooks and Angela Davis

 

[Digga38]

'In building an inclusive Afro-diasporic community, I think we need to acknowledge the work that black feminists have done, and at least listen to their list of grievances instead of immediately dismissing them as fodder. Many times I find myself having to define my oppression to whites, only to have them discredit the examples I provide with a privileged point of view, and i think some of us brothers do the same when black women talk about their oppression.'

what have black feminist done?

 

[wet landscapes]

I am about to start back reading Sister Citizen by Melissa Harris-Perry; are you looking more for contemporary stuff or do you already have the foundational readings down? Let me know, i got links to online pdf's that we use in class as well.

I'm completely fresh, I'm looking for the fundamentals

 

[kp404]

'In building an inclusive Afro-diasporic community, I think we need to acknowledge the work that black feminists have done, and at least listen to their list of grievances instead of immediately dismissing them as fodder. Many times I find myself having to define my oppression to whites, only to have them discredit the examples I provide with a privileged point of view, and i think some of us brothers do the same when black women talk about their oppression.'

what have black feminist done?

In strictly academic terms, they have published works that are considered classics in the black experience, like Deborah gray White's Ar'n't I A Woman? bell hooks work is also trendsetting and classic; and a host of others..

In strictly terms of activism, I know many feminists that worked in organzing communities with groups like Organization of Black Struggle (OBS), National organization for Welfare RIghts, and many localized black feminists have challenged labor and housing struggles and won victories for the Black masses...

What have you done?

 

[Onlooker]

I have some authors I brought up on the first page. I also have some PDF material of Bell Hooks and Angela Davis

Pass them along

 

[Blackking]

The real ones have always known that only those against us support feminism and those with us naturally support black women and men.

 

[Digga38]

In strictly academic terms, they have published works that are considered classics in the black experience, like Deborah gray White's Ar'n't I A Woman? bell hooks work is also trendsetting and classic; and a host of others..

In strictly terms of activism, I know many feminists that worked in organzing communities with groups like Organization of Black Struggle (OBS), National organization for Welfare RIghts, and many localized black feminists have challenged labor and housing struggles and won victories for the Black masses...

What have you done?

'Living with the dual burdens of racism and sexism, slave women in the plantation South assumed roles within the family and community that contrasted sharply with traditional female roles in the larger American society.'

A feel good black feminist pat themselves on the back book...

500 years after the fact coincidently during a new womans movement....shyt tier propaganda

http://obs-stl.org/about-us


THE FREEDOM AGENDA

1. We will fight for the human rights of Black people and all people.
2. We will fight for political democracy.
3. We will fight to advance beyond capitalism, which has demonstrated its structural incapacity to address basic human needs worldwide and, in particular, the needs of Black people. (what do they want to replace it with )
   
4. We will fight to end the super-exploitation of all workers.
5. We will struggle to ensure that all people in society receive free, quality public education.
   
6. We will struggle against state terrorism.
   
7. We will struggle for a clean and healthy environment.
8. We will fight to abolish police brutality, unwarranted incarceration and the death penalty.
9. We will fight for gender equality, for women’s liberation, and for women’s rights to be recognized as human rights in all areas of personal, social, economic and political life. ( glad mike brown died for this)
   
10. We will fight to ensure that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are recognized and respected as full and equal members of society, and of our communities. ( glad mike brown died for this)
    
11. We support affirmative action. (It doesnt work negroes)
    
12. We will fight for reparations. (Havent seen one word spoken on this or any movement generated...but these internet tweeter activist c00ns will walk these negroes to death)
    
13. We will struggle to build multiracial solidarity and alliances among all people of color. (the root hates anyone non black )
    
14. We will uphold the right of the African American people to self-determination.
    
15. We support the liberation struggles of all oppressed people.

notice how they have

'we will struggle' WTF is that you either get some done or you dont....

 

[J-Nice]

Pass them along

I just got in, I'll upload em for you in a lil bit

 

[Blackking]

'Living with the dual burdens of racism and sexism, slave women in the plantation South assumed roles within the family and community that contrasted sharply with traditional female roles in the larger American society.'

A feel good black feminist pat themselves on the back book...

500 years after the fact coincidently during a new womans movement....shyt tier propaganda

http://obs-stl.org/about-us


THE FREEDOM AGENDA

1. We will fight for the human rights of Black people and all people.
2. We will fight for political democracy.
3. We will fight to advance beyond capitalism, which has demonstrated its structural incapacity to address basic human needs worldwide and, in particular, the needs of Black people. (what do they want to replace it with )
   
4. We will fight to end the super-exploitation of all workers.
5. We will struggle to ensure that all people in society receive free, quality public education.
   
6. We will struggle against state terrorism.
   
7. We will struggle for a clean and healthy environment.
8. We will fight to abolish police brutality, unwarranted incarceration and the death penalty.
9. We will fight for gender equality, for women’s liberation, and for women’s rights to be recognized as human rights in all areas of personal, social, economic and political life. ( glad mike brown died for this)
   
10. We will fight to ensure that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are recognized and respected as full and equal members of society, and of our communities. ( glad mike brown died for this)
    
11. We support affirmative action. (It doesnt work negroes)
    
12. We will fight for reparations. (Havent seen one word spoken on this or any movement generated...but these internet tweeter activist c00ns will walk these negroes to death)
    
13. We will struggle to build multiracial solidarity and alliances among all people of color. (the root hates anyone non black )
    
14. We will uphold the right of the African American people to self-determination.
    
15. We support the liberation struggles of all oppressed people.

notice how they have

'we will struggle' WTF is that you either get some done or you dont....

its just a bunch of inclusive counter productive Bullshyt ..

just like with most pro black gay activist and groups.




IF you are pro black, then you are pro black people as your focus, Period //////

 

[J-Nice]

The real ones have always known that only those against us support feminism and those with us naturally support black women and men.

Funny you mention the bold considering that Thomas Sankara was regarded as a feminist

 

[Blackking]

Funny you mention the bold considering that Thomas Sankara was regarded as a feminist

actually

foh.



So many people are regarded as so many things by New blacks, c00ns and feminist............. THAT doesn't make it so.



T S was pro black so OF COURSE he was for the emacipation of black women..... and made speech on the topic.

Notice the black feminist and most of the women and men who talk on this shyt in AFrica Do nothing for the thousand rape, abused or sold into sex slavery.


Notice when you look at programs in the US or UK..... these are feminist.. Most are just pro black people who also are concerned about girls...



The Thing that him and every revolutionary or pro black person understand is



"revolution cannot triumph without the emancipation of women" and "feminism is destructive in every way to any community."

look at some of the most promonent feminist if you need a clue. Look at who verbally critisises black men the most these days. white supremacist and feminist.. hand in hand.



Margaret Sanger and Katharine McCormick were actually women of another era. ... what we call first wave feminism

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

hit em with facts and they still act blind

people only see what they want to see

Why not put some suggestions in the OP?

I'm completely fresh, I'm looking for the fundamentals

i will update the OP with this but this should get you started, black feminist thought by patricia hill collins (the whole book in a pdf)
https://uniteyouthdublin.files.word...-feminist-though-by-patricia-hill-collins.pdf

 

[J-Nice]

actually

foh.



So many people are regarded as so many things by New blacks, c00ns and feminist............. THAT doesn't make it so.



T S was pro black so OF COURSE he was for the emacipation of black women..... and made speech on the topic.

Notice the black feminist and most of the women and men who talk on this shyt in AFrica Do nothing for the thousand rape, abused or sold into sex slavery.


Notice when you look at programs in the US or UK..... these are feminist.. Most are just pro black people who also are concerned about girls...



The Thing that him and every revolutionary or pro black person understand is



"revolution cannot triumph without the emancipation of women" and "feminism is destructive in every way to any community."

look at some of the most promonent feminist if you need a clue. Look at who verbally critisises black men the most these days. white supremacist and feminist.. hand in hand.



Margaret Sanger and Katharine McCormick were actually women of another era. ... what we call first wave feminism

nikka, don't go on a child's temper tantrum and catch a bytchy attitude because what I said goes against your agenda. You out here cherry pickin quotes and don't even know the context in what you talking about


You do know that there is more than 1 facet of feminism that has nothing to do with American feminism. Ever head of African Womanism/ Feminism?

Thomas Sankara was regarded around the world as a feminist because of his policies and efforts to put women on the same standing as men

The very definition of Feminism itself is this

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women.This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

Sankara’s Thoughts on Women’s Emancipation
From his experience as a revolutionary leader and convinced of the need for a Marxist - Leninist understanding of human society, Sankara explained the origins of women oppression and the importance to eradicate it.

Dorotea Wilson, a then member of Nicaragua’s National Assembly and a Sandanista leader, paid tribute to Sankara’s speech against women oppression, thus: "This speech is not just a declaration of principles. It also shows a profound understanding of, and active solidarity with the struggle of women which in fact belongs to and involves all of humanity."
(Referring to his speech to a rally in Burkina Faso’s capital of Ougadougou on March 8, 1987, commemorating International Women’s Day)

Thomas Sankara, putting his case before thousands of women, moved from the point that the revolution cannot triumph without the emancipation of women. Whilst the night of August gave birth to an achievement of freedom, honor, dignity and happiness, he argued, this was selfish happiness for something crucial was missing: woman. She has been excluded from the joyful procession. Though men had reached the edges of the great garden of revolution, women were still confined within the shadows of anonymity. He further charged that nothing whole, nothing definitive or lasting could be accomplished in Burkina Faso, as long as women are kept in condition of subjugation, a condition imposed in the course of centuries by various systems of exploitation.

Men and women of Burkina Faso were urged to profoundly change their image of themselves, for they were part of building a society that is not only establishing new social relations, but is also provoking a cultural transformation, upsetting the relation of authority between men and women and forcing each to rethink the nature of both. In order to achieve this, which was immediately acknowledge as formidable but necessary task, you need correct tools to equal the task.

"The human being," he said, "this vast and complex combination of pain and joy, solitary and forsaken, yet creator of all humanity, suffering, frustrated and humiliated, and yet endless source of happiness for each one of us, this source of affection beyond compare, inspiring the most unexpected courage, this being called weak but possessing untold ability to inspire us to take the road of honor, this being of flesh and blood and of spiritual conviction - this being women, is you.

You are our mothers, life companions, our comrades in struggle and because of this fact you should by right affirm yourselves as equal partners in the joyful victory feasts of the revolution. We must restore to humanity your true image by making the reign of freedom prevail over differentiations imposed by nature and by eliminating all kinds of hypocrisy that sustain the shameless exploitation of women."

The first step is to try and understand how this system works to grasp its real nature in all its subtler, in order to then work out a line of action that can lead to women’s total emancipation.

The evolution of society and the worldwide status of women Dialectical materialism has shed light on problems and conditions women face, which is part of a general system of exploitation. Dialectics defines human society not as a natural, unchangeable fact, but as something working on nature.
Human kind does not submit passively to the power of nature, but takes control over it.

This process is not internal or subjectively in practice, once women ceased to be viewed as a mere sexual beings and we look beyond their biological functions and become conscious of their weight as an active social force. In essence the difference between men and women revolves around biological functions, of which women have more functions than men, anyway.

The importance of dialectics lies in having gone beyond essential biological limits and simplistic theories about our being slaves to nature and having laid out the facts in their social and economic context. From the beginnings of human history, humankind mastering of nature was extended beyond his or her bare hands or his or her physical organisation.
The hand reached out to the tool, which then increased the hand’s power.
It was thus no physical attributes alone, musculature or the capacity to give birth for example that determine the unequal status of men and women.
Nor was it technological progress as such that institutionalised this inequality. It was rather the transition from one form of societal evolution to the which institutionalised inequality breeding exploitation of women by men. From slavery, feudalism, capitalism etc. the common denominator has always been the subjugation of women folk.

Frederick Engels explained that for millennia from Paleolithic to the Bronze age, relations between sexes were positive and complimentary in character. He (Engels) further charged that relations were based on collaboration and interaction, in contrasts to the patriarchy, where women exclusion was generalised characteristics of the epoch. Engels traced the historic enslavement of women to the appearance of private property, when one mode of production gave way to another and when one form of social organisation replaced another. So, for eight millennia property was handed down from a woman to her clan, unlike now where property is from father to son, a historical and contemporary patriarchy.

Humankind first knew slavery with the advent of private property. Man, master of his slaves, land, cattle and in addition elevated himself to be the woman’s master. This was the historic defeat of the female sex. It came about with the appearance of the division of labour as a result of the new mode of production and the revolution in the means of production.

The patriarchal family emerged with the father as head, within this family the woman was oppressed. The family was founded on the sole and personal property of the man. Reigning supreme, the man satisfied his sexual whims by mating with slaves. Women became his booty, his conquest in trade, for he benefited from their labour power and took his feel from myriad of pleasures they afforded him. For their part, as soon as masters gave chance, women took revenge in infidelity. Thus adultery became a "natural" counterpart to marriage. It was the woman’s only self-defence against domestic slavery to which she was subjected. Her social oppression was the direct reflection of her economic oppression.

The status of women will improve only with the elimination of the system that exploits them. Through the different stages where patriarchy has triumphed there has been close parallels between gender, class and racial oppression. Her status overturned by private property, banished from her very self, relegated to the role of child raiser and servant, written out of history by philosophy and the most entrenched religions, stripped of all worth by mythology, woman shared a lot with a slave who was nothing more than a beast in human face.

It is not surprising therefore that in its phase of conquest, the capitalist system should be the economic system that has exploited women the most brazenly and with the most sophistication. The woman, whatever her social rank, was crushed not only within her class, but by other classes too. This was the case even for women who belonged to the
exploiting classes.

The Specific Character of women’s oppression
Women’s fate is bound up with that of an exploited male. However this solidarity must not blind us in looking at the specific situation faced by womenfolk in our society. It is true that the woman worker and man are exploited economically, but the worker wife is also condemned further to silence by her worker husband. This is the same method used by men to dominate other men. The idea was crafted that certain men, by virtue of their family origin and birth, or by divine rights were superior to others.

We must pay close attention to the situation of women because it pushes the most conscious of them into waging a sex war when what we need is a war of classes, against gender oppression, against racial domination, wage together side by side. This war is one we can and we will win - if we understand that we need one another and are complimentary, that we share the same fate and fate and in fact that we are condemned to inter dependent. In order to win this war women must see themselves as part of an organic whole offensive against retrogression in society, not as a separate entity having to wage a struggle belonging to them alone.

The man, no matter how oppressed he is, has another human being to oppress: his wife. To say this is without any doubt to affirm a terrible fact. When we talk about the vile system of apartheid, for example, our thoughts and our emotions turn to exploited and oppressed blacks. But we forget the black woman who has to endure her husband as well.

There are plenty of examples of men, otherwise progressive who live cheerfully in adultery, but who are prepared to murder their wives on the merest suspicion of infidelity, yet thing nothing of seeking so called consolation in the arms of prostitutes.

There are also those more or less revolutionary militants - who don’t accept that their wives should also be politically active, or who allow them to be provided it is during the day only, who will beat their wives because they went to a meeting or a demonstration at night.

Oh! These suspicious jealous men! Said Sankara. What narrow mindedness!
And what a limited partial commitment! For is it only at nights that a woman who is disenchanted and determined can deceive a husband? What about on ’revolutionary" who will remark on a woman as a "despicably materialist", "manipulators", "gossip", "clowns", jealous" and so on.
Maybe this is all true of women, but surely it is equally true of men.
When you are condemned, as women are, to wait for your lord and master at home in order to feed him and receive his permission to speak or just to be alive, what else do you have to keep you occupied and to give you at leas the illusion of being useful? The same attitudes are found amongst men put in the same situation.

You need to smarten the fukk up and think before you fukking type

 

[mcdivit85]

so many times on here i find that black feminism has been discredited, and i feel that some men do this without a) listening to black women's perspective on the topic, and b) thinking that they are controlled by white feminists, without acknowledging that black feminism has by and large been built outside of white influence.

So, what are the tenets of black feminism that do NOT originate or off shoot from those of white female feminism against white male partriarchy?

And if black feminism is not related to white women and/or their fight against white patriarchy, then we're left with black women fighting against black patriarchy, which is non-existent due to lack of resources and lack of political clout.

So, with that in mind.....

What structural inequalities within society have been setup by black men, who don't even have enough control to not be brutalized by said society, to disenfranchise black women?

When have black men created laws that prohibited black women from voting?

When have black men created laws that prohibited black women from being able to own land?

What industries controlled by black men, past and present, pay women half the amount they pay men for the same job?

Please advise.

Peace