black feminism/womanism thread

[Windwaker]

Why would I view the potential furthering of the subjugation of my gender as a good thing? I cannot fathom having to defer to someone just because they have a dikk.

I read it just fine. A rape apologist is a rape apologist in any context.

You're the reason why we hate black feminism.

 

[Windwaker]

Black feminism is pathetic.....
yall letting the white jewish women dictate your views


where is the black woman being oppresed in america.....

companies will hire the black woman before the black man ever since i can remeber...


most contrived BS movement in my lifetime

What black feminist mean by "oppression" is their inability to attract white men while having to sit back and watch us, black men, explore the options we actually have. Thats all this black feminism comes down to. The black female and her lust for attention, to be desired, and for white cawk. I mean lets be real.

 

[Windwaker]

But, I am a black woman, and not only am I paid less than a white woman I am also paid less than a black male. I think it's cute that you'll acknowledge that white women make more than black males, but not that black males make more than black women.

Considering that black men kill infinitely more black women than whites do maybe it is.

Clearly you're not factoring in abortion. But we won't go there....

 

[marcuz]

What black feminist mean by "oppression" is their inability to attract white men while having to sit back and watch us, black men, explore the options we actually have. Thats all this black feminism comes down to. The black female and her lust for attention, to be desired, and for white cawk. I mean lets be real.

yep, you go to any black woman empowerment website and the theme is always the same; "white men are our saviors"

black women are only envious of black men because they think we're seen as "cooler" by society. even had a girl on here tell me the main benefit we have over them is our ability to date/marry outside the race.

 

[Windwaker]

You and most of the black males here seem to be insinuating that these deadbeats are a rare minority amongst you when that's not the case. 1/3 of you will go to prison in your lifetimes. Only 10% of you bother to further your eduction. And still a group of people with those dismal stats make more than black women, and have astronomically more personal wealth than black women due to the rampant sexism in society. The fact is an educated non-jailbird is a rarity. Coupled with the fact that highly intelligent/educated people tend to have less children it's an imaginary world in which a plethora of black children will be made with non-deadbeat black males. There's a reason that black male abandonment of their offspring transcends culture and race (it's seen across the black diaspora AND in the mulatto population), and it has nothing to do with the "poor choices" that black women make.

Do you have your hitachi magic wand in the other hand as you type this nonsense????

 

[Windwaker]

But you already defer to men everyday, both individually and collectively. The West is ruled by men, as is Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Women defer to men in every society and have since humanity's inception. You all obey men's laws, wear clothes as allowed by men, and subsist on men's generosity. Ultimately, white women defer to white men; Asian women are serfs to Asian men; Arab women are serfs to Arab men. So the question is not whether you will defer, as all women defer, the question is to whom. The best case scenario for black women is to defer to black men and help us achieve our goals. When we benefit, you benefit. There is no other alternative. This is why @marcuz does not understand some of what you post.

Its almost like they don't understand that their status in this society would greatly increase if black men were allowed to lead. They've been brainwashed to believe that being a "strong independent black women" is the only way to be, and that by submitting to a black man they're somehow breaking some rule. Black feminists are just backwards. Its like they're stabbing themselves in the stomach with a knife while screaming that it hurts......

 

[ralph lauren]

this topic is way too complex for me to form ant type of opinion on it

 

[Windwaker]

Because I believe that to rebuild our community, we have to empower both black women and men to reach their full capabilities.
I'm being uplifted over women, when my voice speaks louder in those leadership roles. Yes, we go through all those things you mentioned, but as a young black professional, I see that because there is a lack of black male presence, we often are elevated to positions of leadership where we work. This is true for me.
When we talk about police killing black bodies, we often think about the brothers who have recently been slayed, but how much attention is being paid to the sisters who die by the hands of police as well? It's not about saying who should the most attention given to their plight; it is simply acknowledging that they deal with a lot of the same shyt we do, and also some other shyt as well that we don't.

Just cut off your penis and burn it already.

 

[godkiller]

I already explained and defended my opinion. There is zero correlation between ghetto gaggers and feminism. You would have to be an idiot (and well, you are one) to even entertain that connection. White male misogyny/hegemony and black feminism are world's apart, and that porn is clearly a reflection of the former. Black feminism aims to subvert things like ghetto gaggers.

Your opinion defense is trite and unpersuasive. There is indeed a correlation between ghetto gaggers and feminism. Because if it were true that white male hegemony/misogyny and black feminism are world's apart, all the black feminist websites wouldn't basically reduce to white male worship, which is white misogyny. This RELATIONSHIP highlights the correlation. By attacking black men and trying to reduce our patriarchy (though direct/indirect attacks and white supremacist support), black feminists doesn't subvert but rather encourages things like gg. This is what the evidence says and logic leads.

@WindWalker reflects the same sentiments:

Right, because we're the ones walking around with somebody else's hair glued to our heads giving ourselves cancer to look white. Because we're the ones writing blogs, books, and creating youtube channels dedicated to catching the very same type of men who raped our ancestors. Most people don't even care or like feminism so how has modern womanism done a good job at shedding light on black women's issues??? Anytime a black woman gets a platform to address said issues she wastes it on pushing interracial dating and chasing white men. See: Scandal, Awkward Black Girl, Beyond Black and White. PATHETIC!!!![/QUOTE]

What black feminist mean by "oppression" is their inability to attract white men while having to sit back and watch us, black men, explore the options we actually have. Thats all this black feminism comes down to. The black female and her lust for attention, to be desired, and for white cawk. I mean lets be real.

 

[Northern Son]

Your opinion defense is trite and unpersuasive. There is indeed a correlation between ghetto gaggers and feminism. If it were true that white male hegemony/misogyny and black feminism are world's apart, all the black feminist websites wouldn't basically reduce to white male worship, which is white misogyny.

All the black feminist websites . Nah, son, this joke of a post is trite and unpersuasive (extremely). You didn't even say a thing, or attempt to prove your outlandish claim. That picture is a ridiculous and obvious reach based on myths and wildly ill informed stereotypes about black feminist movements.

By attacking black men and trying to reduce our patriarchy (though direct/indirect attacks and white supremacist support), black feminists doesn't subvert but rather encourages things like gg. This is what the evidence says and logic leads.

Clown ass post. What evidence ???

BWE is not black feminism if that's what you're trying to suggest.

I'm not even going to bother entertaining you clowns further. @Onlooker's posts in this thread (#196 and #208) are really all that need to be said about this.

 

[godkiller]

All the black feminist websites . Nah, son, this joke of a post is trite and unpersuasive (extremely). You didn't even say a thing, or attempt to prove your outlandish claim.

I've merely repeated the truth, which is that black feminism today is thinly veiled white worship anti-black male nonsense. The evidence says so. And many posters, including myself, @Windwaker and @marcuz , have said so in oh so many words. But it seems evidence and logic are not enough to convnce you. So be it.

Clown ass post. What evidence ???

BWE is not black feminism if that's what you're trying to suggest.

BWE is indeed what black feminism is in this context. Who are you kidding?

I'm not even going to bother entertaining you clowns further. @Onlooker's posts in this thread (#196 and #208) are really all that need to be said about this.

Bye, you dumb cac00n. The only posters who agree with you are the black feminists and fakkits. No one else does.

 

[bcrusaderw]

A man leading isn't a societal structure created by whites. African tribes ALWAYS had the man as the head. And as far as your analysis on us getting our "masculinity," this...THIS type of speak is why so many of us hate black feminism.

Except for the fact that this isn't true.
There is evidence of women with power in precolonial Africa.

You're the reason why we hate black feminism.

Clearly you're not factoring in abortion. But we won't go there....

Unfortunate that neither did your mother.

Do you have your hitachi magic wand in the other hand as you type this nonsense????

You quoted me five times, and you didn't use one fact just ad hominem attacks. I don't use penetrative sex toys, but thanks for your concern.

 

[marcuz]

Except for the fact that this isn't true.
There is evidence of women with power in precolonial Africa.

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hell, even if true and there were tons of matriarchal societies in africa, guess what? they were steam rolled by a patriarchy.

 

[bcrusaderw]

hell, even if true and there were tons of matriarchal societies in africa, guess what? they were steam rolled by a patriarchy.

And we've been steamrolled by whites, so I guess we should just let that rock?

 

[Northern Son]

Alright one last round of ether.

I've merely repeated the truth, which is that black feminism today is thinly veiled white worship anti-black male nonsense. The evidence says so. And many posters, including myself, @Windwaker and @marcuz , have said so in oh so many words. But it seems evidence and logic are not enough to convnce you. So be it.

"Th-the-the evidence" "the th-the evidence"

WHAT fukking evidence, you stupid waste of flesh ?

Post the evidence or shut the fukk up.

BWE is indeed what black feminism is in this context. Who are you kidding?

No it is not . Black feminists should be allowed to define themselves, no? Black feminist theories existed close to a damn century prior to this BWE shyt (which I agree is really White Man's Empowerment). What part of bellhook's or Angela Davis' writings encourage black women to "leave Blackistan" and support/marry white? You're a fukking idiot !

BWE and ghetto gaggers is just good old fashioned c00ning/white supremacy. Zero to do with feminism.

Googled black feminsm, first result:

One of the theories that evolved out of the Black feminist movement was Alice Walker's womanism. Alice Walker and other womanists pointed out that black women experienced a different and more intense kind of oppression from that of white women. Womanism is a critical disidentification with what black women understood to be the anti-male sentiments of white feminists and white feminist movements. Black womanists such as Alice Walker and Sherley Anne Williams contended that "womanist" is preferable to "feminist" because "womanist" is actively anti-separatist. Sherley Anne Williams notes, for example, that "womanist theory is, by definition, 'committed to the survival and wholeness of entire people" (219).[3] Womanists also point to the emergence of black feminism after earlier movements led by white middle-class women which they regard as having largely ignored oppression based on race and class.[4] Patricia Hill Collins defined Black feminism, in Black Feminist Thought (1991), as including "women who theorize the experiences and ideas shared by ordinary black women that provide a unique angle of vision on self, community, and society".[5]

What part of that is BWE??? What part of that threatens black men? Stupid ass c00n (if you don't support black women, you're a c00n). You don't have to agree with every aspect of black feminism by any stretch of the imagination, but equating black women's desire to live self-determined lives and get paid as much as white men (fundamental components of black feminism) with fukking ghetto gaggers is by definition extremely c00nish.

Bye, you dumb cac00n. The only posters who agree with you are the black feminists and fakkits. No one else does.

Yup, that's right fukkboy, you have nothing to say . Just take that L and quietlywith some dignity .

^You're just outing your own cultish mentality by reducing a debate to a popularity contest and placing value in a horde mindset instead of formulating your own thoughts thinking critically. Worthless fake internet militant piece of shyt