(Black Female) Student Arrested, Window Broken

[Suicide King]

trust me, i'm one of the fight for your rights, know your rights type dudes but she was i the wrong on this one. fukked up thing is that the cop was actually trying hard to give her a break.

this incident isn't even a black/white thing.

Then he can detain her and check if the car is stolen. He can search the car for drugs and weapons if he feels there is probable cause.

Its at his discretion, and you better believe he used it, that's why all she was getting was tickets.

Also, driver side window is not tinted.

Stolen car? Drugs? Weapons? She got charged with none of that. So, the police was right for not suspecting her of any of that.

But in a volatile situation or high stress situation, cops can make it worse or diffuse it. Cop made it worse off a non-issue.

 

[Data-Hawk]

Then he can detain her and check if the car is stolen. He can search the car for drugs and weapons if he feels there is probable cause.

Its at his discretion, and you better believe he used it, that's why all she was getting was tickets.

Also, driver side window is not tinted.

She was annoyed.

He was trying to give her a break.......now he's in the wrong for giving her a break........If he did indeed do that to begin with some of you would still be crying....... The Cop cannot win in this situation. I would love for some of you to be a cop for a day

I give up.......yall just want to cry just to cry.

 

[Suicide King]

He was trying to give her a break.......now he's in the wrong for giving her a break........If he did indeed do that to begin with some of you would still be crying....... The Cop cannot win in this situation. I would love for some of you to be a cop for a day

I give up.......yall just want to cry just to cry.

I know he was being your friendly neighborhood Johnny. But he stressed over a non-issue.

 

[Data-Hawk]

I know he was being your friendly neighborhood Johnny. But he stressed over a non-issue.

Its not a non-issue when your life is involved...Do I think she would of tried to kill him? NO..........But cops have been killed when pulling people over for a traffic stop......why take the chance?

 

[Data-Hawk]

Time for Battlefield 3

 

[Suicide King]

Its not a non-issue when your life is involved...Do I think she would of tried to kill him? NO..........But cops have been killed when pulling people over for a traffic stop......why take the chance?

I bet you most cops will say it doesn't matter in some situations.

Her situation is even less complicated them mines, because I have tint and drive a truck that sits up high.

I never pull my window all the way down. The reason why I can be sure, because the cop always rests the clip board on my window.

 

[Turbulent]

Then he can detain her and check if the car is stolen. He can search the car for drugs and weapons if he feels there is probable cause.

Its at his discretion, and you better believe he used it, that's why all she was getting was tickets.

Also, driver side window is not tinted.

Stolen car? Drugs? Weapons? She got charged with none of that. So, the police was right for not suspecting her of any of that.

But in a volatile situation or high stress situation, cops can make it worse or diffuse it. Cop made it worse off a non-issue.

he tried to do that but she refused to step out of the vehicle after being informed that she is being detained and ordered to step out of the car.

she wasn't charged with weapons or drugs because she didn't have any. at the moment though, how could he have known that?

Now you could argue he could have diffused the situation and that he shouldn't have feared for his safety. I think it's a grey area. INow i have two questions for you:

1. Did the cop do anything illegal?
2. Once she was informed she was being detained and ordered to step out of the car, should she have done it?

 

[Data-Hawk]

I'll just leave this thread with the below:


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rested-shootout-police-cops-article-1.1450827

http://www.break.com/video/officer-shot-during-traffic-stop-204876


http://www.break.com/video/ugc/officer-down-280708

http://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/officer-shot-in-mason-county-traffic-stop

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-orlando-police-officer-shot-during-traffic-/nYzc8/

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Oregon-State-Police-officer-shot-during-traffic-stop-221695621.html



Now imagine you waking up and instead of going to your cubicle , you may have to deal with something like this.........Hopefully now you can understand why the cop ask something so simple a 2yr old could do it.

 

[Suicide King]

he tried to do that but she refused to step out of the vehicle after being informed that she is being detained and ordered to step out of the car.

she wasn't charged with weapons or drugs because she didn't have any. at the moment though, how could he have known that?

Now you could argue he could have diffused the situation and that he shouldn't have feared for his safety. I think it's a grey area. INow i have two questions for you:

1. Did the cop do anything illegal?
2. Once she was informed she was being detained and ordered to step out of the car, should she have done it?

Off course its an grey area, that's what I've been arguing since the beginning. I even provided some personal examples why I felt it was a grey area.

1. Just was being an diick for making an issue over a non-issue.
2. She was detained because the cop was pissed. At that point she has to comply. He can even use deadly force at the point if he wants. And it takes much less to blow a black person away, ask Oscar Grant and Jonathan Ferrell. At that point its a very dangerous situation and she was treating it very lightly. She is lucky he broke the window and not pull out his gun.

 

[Turbulent]

Off course its an grey area, that's what I've been arguing since the beginning. I even provided some personal examples why I felt it was a grey area.

1. Just was being an diick for making an issue over a non-issue.
2. She was detained because the cop was pissed. At that point she has to comply. He can even use deadly force at the point if he wants. And it takes much less to blow a black person away, ask Oscar Grant and Jonathan Ferrell. At that point its a very dangerous situation and she was treating it very lightly. She is lucky he broke the window and not pull out his gun.

if it's a grey area it can't be a non-issue. in the other examples, maybe the cops feel safe because they have different types of temperament. The reason i don't even think he was trying to be a dikk and legit thought of his safety is because he doesn't seem like a dikk cop overall from that video and she was acting kinda weird overall. One of the rare cases where i think cop was being genuine.

 

[Suicide King]

if it's a grey area it can't be a non-issue. in the other examples, maybe the cops feel safe because they have different types of temperament. The reason i don't even think he was trying to be a dikk and legit thought of his safety is because he doesn't seem like a dikk cop overall from that video and she was acting kinda weird overall. One of the rare cases where i think cop was being genuine.

I think he was upset, because I have reasonable doubt he was concerned about his safety.

Cops don't let you slide out of the goodness of their heart. He gave her the leeway because he assessed her to be harmless and you said she was on campus which creates a different type of atmosphere. I agree he was being genuine, I don't think he wanted to arrest her, break her window, and drag her through the street, because he would have done it from the get go.

After you account for all the factors...

He probably felt some type of way about her not rolling her window all the way down.

 

[Turbulent]

I think he was upset, because I have reasonable doubt he was concerned about his safety.

Cops don't let you slide out of the goodness of their heart. He gave her the leeway because he assessed her to be harmless and you said she was on campus which creates a different type of atmosphere. I agree he was being genuine, I don't think he wanted to arrest her, break her window, and drag her through the street, because he would have done it from the get go.

After you account for all the factors...

He probably felt some type of way about her not rolling her window all the way down.

it might be part of it. maybe he felt like "here i am trying to give this young lady a break and she's being a c*nt..".

 

[Suicide King]

it might be part of it. maybe he felt like "here i am trying to give this young lady a break and she's being a c*nt..".

I just wish he didn't provoke the situation. Because I've seen cops call people's wife stupid during an encounter and the situation escalated into an arrest.

Notice none of her charges are crimes before the fact.

 

[USSInsiders]

How can the cop give you a lawful command to do something that you don't legally have to do?

Police officers are authorized to give lawful orders, the keyword is lawful.

"Mam, for my safety and yours, would you mind rolling the window down, please?" is a nice way of saying it.

If you're unsure if it's an order or not, you're obliged to ask, "Are you giving me a lawful order?"

If they say, "Yes, I am." you have to comply otherwise they can detain you for failure to comply with a lawful order.

Remember, if you're in clear violation of something and are obstructing an officer from doing his job like this cornball sister in the video, they can take a step further

But a lawful order doesn't mean a cop can violate your rights or allow him to do something grotesque or illegal

If the cop says, "Ok you fukking fakkit, I order you to get down on your knees, unzip your pants and let me fukk your rectum 'till it's drenched in my cum and blood."

You don't have to comply because it's not a lawful order.

It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, though

 

[Turbulent]

I just wish he didn't provoke the situation. Because I've seen cops call people's wife stupid during an encounter and the situation escalated into an arrest.

Notice none of her charges are crimes before the fact.

but even if he caught feelings a little bit, if he also partially feared for his safety, i think she forced his hand. only other option would have been to tell her her car would be towed because she can't produce registration (again not sure if they can do that) but even then she would have refused to step out of the car and you'd have gotten the same chain of events afterwards. I guess this would have been the better option because maybe then she would have realized she has to step out of the car.