Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.

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That’s interesting. I never looked at it like that. So, is there a database with the original tribal, ethnic and locations names, pre-colonial times?

That will be very useful.
Not that I'm aware of, most probably in the Portuguese Archives
 

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This seems to be true for us ados/ fba, but I'm not really sure it is.

The most extensive examination of mtDNA haplotypes in Africans and African Americans [13] used mtDNA data from a large number of African ethnic groups spread around the continent. These authors observed large similarities in mtDNA profiles among ethnic groups from West, Central West, and South West Africa, with a continuous geographic gradient. As observed previously [26], these authors also found that many mtDNA haplotypes were widely distributed across Africa, making it impossible to trace African ancestry to a particular region or group, based on mtDNA data alone. These authors also estimated the proportionate ancestry within Africa based on African American mtDNA haplotypes as 60% from West Africa, 9% from Central West Africa, 30% from South West Africa, and minimal ancestry from North, East, Southeast, or South Africa.

These studies all suggest close genetic kinship among various West African, Central West African, and South West African ethnic groups.


I'm unclear, and here's why. For one, they can't even barely distinguish between the Mandenka, the Bantu, or the Yoruba genetically. Two, there is MUCH cultural evidence that the North American slave population skewed toward the Senegambian.




Plantation owners in the US needed certain skillsets and the purposefully sorted for them. You see this in slave auction documents, where they were from was a selling point. They needed ppl who knew how to grow rice. My people are from SC, the North American rice capital.

I also suspect, and this has no academic underpinning, but I suspect that the Spanish and Portuguese were leery of African Muslims and preferred 'pagans,' while the English had no such qualms bc they didn't have a history of Moorish rulers.
It’s interesting, but the term immigrant is very distasteful. As if they don’t realize it was a by forced human trafficked population.

 
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They are African American or Black American when they flee or are born here lol and smh. These goofballs really believe that. No pride, no dignity and no self respect.

How are we the same when your people flew over here or had to go through immigrat shyt? Just stop
🤣He can type a thousand paragraphs, real life is what matters. He will never said this in our face🤣 he will get slapped
 
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That doesn't answer the question.​
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You are referring to the mestizo population. But there are unmixed (with European) populations as well. I have posted these studies.

The problem with the many claims is that they are unfound and just opinions and hypotheses.

I’m not saying all what is claimed is an absolute false claim, but what is lacking is critical analysis.

Meaning the people who claim these (we’ve always been here) things need to go into the fields of science and disprove the “establishment”. Do that by population genetics, physical anthropology, archaeology etc. As of now the ABOS is dismal, but in actuality are meaningless.

We know “lighter skin as in white skin” overall is a recent phenomenon in the homo Sapien Sapien. But we don’t know the light brown complexion. Or at least I’m not familiar with the dates.
well I wasn’t talking about light brown. More so light as in red.
 

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well I wasn’t talking about light brown. More so light as in red.
These people in reality are dark and light brown, with a reddish undertone. The way we aren’t literally black, but are brown in different complexions with blueish, greenish and reddish undertones.
 
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🤣He can type a thousand paragraphs, real life is what matters. He will never said this in our face🤣 he ginger slapped

“The Black Maroons of Florida, also known as Black Seminoles, Seminole Maroons, and Seminole Freedmen, were a community derived from Runaway slaves who integrated into American Indian culture.
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During the first of two so-called Seminole Wars, Blacks and Indians fought side by side against American incursion into the region. Spain sold Florida to the United States in 1819 but even before the transfer, in 1818, General Andrew Jackson sent U.S. forces down the Apalachicola River to defeat and destroy Maroon, Seminole, and Creek communities. They destroyed the Maroons’ and Indian villages. Black Maroons and the Seminoles responded by moving further south into the more remote forests of central and southern Florida. Many Black Seminoles left Florida for Andros Island in the Bahamas.
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They were mostly Gullah fugitives who escaped from the rice plantations in South Carolina and Georgia who joined with the newly formed Seminole groups who broke away from the Muskogee or Creek people.
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Black maroons and the Seminoles also shared numerous cultural similarities regarding cuisine, tribal dancing, and dwelling construction There were differences such as religious practices and languages—the Seminoles spoke Creek and the maroons spoke Afro-Seminole Creole. These differences, however, did not prevent intercultural marriages or military alliances. The Florida Native American communities protected Black Seminoles from re-enslavement. In return, they provided manpower in military conflicts with the Spanish or Americans. Overall, the Florida Maroons lived independently of the Indians without oversight.”



“The Cherokee, Choctaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek tribes were the only tribes to fight on the Confederate side."

At the outset of the war, many nations in Indian Territory signed treaties with the Confederacy—supported by a minority of wealthy slave-holding Indians within their communities. But those sympathies weren’t monolithic: Many Indians leaned toward abolitionism and advocated for sovereign independence from the U.S. and its bloody conflict. As the war progressed, momentum shifted as three Indian Home Guard regiments emerged to support the Union and protect vulnerable tribal communities from violent guerrilla warfare. The result: Indians fighting Indians in a white man’s war.

While Native American soldiers went to battle for a variety of reasons—to support or fight slavery, to defend tribal sovereignty and to protect family and community—the war did little to advance their needs and interests. Instead, it aggravated longstanding internal tribal tensions and ravaged territory the U.S. government had relocated them to decades earlier, creating a new wave of impoverished refugees.”



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Haplogroups (Diaspora), Dissecting the Within-Africa Ancestry of Populations of African Descent in the Americas.

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Haplogroups (Diaspora)

Dissecting the Within-Africa Ancestry of Populations of African Descent in the Americas
 
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Go back in history far enough and he can claim Chinese are Black because they have the same eye shape and coloration as the San people of South Africa.​
He's confusing when you say native americans with meaning black people.
 

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well I wasn’t talking about light brown. More so light as in red.
What we are saying is there were NO black people at all in North or South America prior to 1502 when the first African slave was brought over. The people who were there already have no connection to black Americans today unless they mated with the runaway African slaves.

All the black people in the world came from Africa the past few hundred years.
 

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What we are saying is there were NO black people at all in North or South America prior to 1502 when the first African slave was brought over. The people who were there already have no connection to black Americans today unless they mated with the runaway African slaves.

All the black people in the world came from Africa the past few hundred years.
This what you posted here, is a scary and traumatizing idea to him.
 
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So crazy that you have so many black people in here trying to eliminate our connection to Africa . The black people here before the transatlantic slave trade were still African people. And we all know the history of the Moors and their rule in Europe. But point blank is why is anybody trying to claim anything other than African when that’s truly who all these people were who simply migrated to these other places, outside of those whom of course were forced to as victims of the slave trade. Homo sapiens first evolved in Africa and it’s a scientific fact. Our people are literally the fathers and mothers of the earth and it’s the mother continent and people want to disown it…lol.


Most of us are decents of west Africans slaves brought from the transatlantic slave trade against their will , not the fukking Moors. Stop disrespecting your ancestors. You are an African people. And more than likely west African
 
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So crazy that you have so many black people in here trying to eliminate our connection to Africa . The black people here before the transatlantic slave trade were still African people. And we all know the history of the Moors and their rule in Europe. But point blank is why is anybody trying to claim anything other than African when that’s truly who all these people were who simply migrated to these other places, outside of those whom of course were forced to as victims of the slave trade. Homo sapiens first evolved in Africa and it’s a scientific fact. Our people are literally the fathers and mothers of the earth and it’s the mother continent and people want to disown it…lol.


Most of us are decents of west Africans slaves brought from the transatlantic slave trade against their will , not the fukking Moors. Stop disrespecting your ancestors. You are an African people. And more than likely west African
Great post,

I was suggested to pick up this book, which I’m about to do.

The Archaeology of Africa: Food, Metals and Towns (One World Archaeology)


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Well it’s so called African American that’s her complexion. That’s how I think a lot of black people find confusion cause I’m a so called african American but my grandmother is half Native American but I’m darker than the woman in the video. Again I don’t think people claim one over the other I think a lot of us don’t know

Is Chahta the same as Choctaw? At least she acknowledged the history of the MAAFA.

Is there a particular reason they stopped in South America before North America? The reason being it’s more black people there than North America
What???
 
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So crazy that you have so many black people in here trying to eliminate our connection to Africa . The black people here before the transatlantic slave trade were still African people. And we all know the history of the Moors and their rule in Europe. But point blank is why is anybody trying to claim anything other than African when that’s truly who all these people were who simply migrated to these other places, outside of those whom of course were forced to as victims of the slave trade. Homo sapiens first evolved in Africa and it’s a scientific fact. Our people are literally the fathers and mothers of the earth and it’s the mother continent and people want to disown it…lol.


Most of us are decents of west Africans slaves brought from the transatlantic slave trade against their will , not the fukking Moors. Stop disrespecting your ancestors. You are an African people. And more than likely west African

I am not African. I am Black American (ADOS). My ancestors left Africa a few hundred years ago.

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I been to the Casino in Cherokee NC called Harrahs. I’ve seen some Native Americans up there but again they seem lighter than how they’re depicted in photos. I enjoyed myself up nice hotels and what not.
 
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