Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.

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@Ish Geber is taking no prisoners in this thread. :salute:

@Ish Geber:
I agree with what you say. However, I would suggest a level of caution when it comes to environment-adapted body proportions and limb ratio (tropical vs cold vs whatever). Body proportion and limb ratios are much more malleable than we think and don't always fall neatly with the environment.
An example. Central African hunter-gatherers (pygmies) live in a tropical climate yet they have short legs even when you account for their height.
I also noticed that a number of West Africans that come from the Guinean Forests of West Africa area (Liberia to Nigeria) don't have long legs.
I don’t have the specific detailed information you are talking about. I am familiar with the general concept. This has been discussed at Egyptseach. But perhaps you can provide such detailed information, as it’s very important to understand how this has distributed amongst different populations and in the new world? Years ago I made a thread and in that thread we traced some of the tribes associated with enslavement into the new world. Most of these didn’t come from the coast, but from the interior, Sahel region. This explains why some used to farm riced etc.

“Generally narrower body breaths of the foragers contrast markedy with the wider-bodied agriculturalists. Although bi-iliac breadth has been argued to be stable over long periods of time (Auerbach, 2007), this shift in mean body breath may be indicative of changes correlated with subsistence economy.”
(Pinhasi & Stock. 2011 Human Bioarchaeology of the Transition to Agriculture)

'Tropically adapted groups also have relatively longer distal limb elements (tibia and radius, as compared to femur and humerus) than groups in colder climates."
(Matt Cartmill, Fred H. Smith - 2011)

"What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975)...."
(Trenton Holliday)

"In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara."
(Holliday TW, Hilton CE., Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit)

“Migration within a larger time framework took place ca. 15,000–18,000 BP, when the first Asian populations crossed the Bering Strait, ultimately founding the modern Amerindian population. Despite having as much as 18,000 years of selection in environments as diverse as those found in the Old World, body mass and proportion clines in the Americas are less steep than those in the Old World (Newman, 1953; Roberts, 1978). In fact, as Hulse (1960) pointed out, Amerindians, even in the tropics, tend to possess some ‘‘arctic’’ adaptations. Thus he concluded that it must take more than 15,000 years for modern humans to fully adapt to a new environment (see also Trinkaus, 1992). This suggests that body proportions tend not to be very plastic under natural conditions, and that selective rates on body shape are such that evolution in these features is long-term."
(Holliday T. (1997). Body proportions in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern human origins. Jrnl Hum Evo. 32:423-447)
 
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well i agree but we was there and it was black/brown people here too.

It’s true that the ancient Hebrews were a Black people, most likely associated with Kush groups. These people as a group died out. What is left as remains is genetic remnants.
 
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It’s true that the ancient Hebrews were a Black people, most likely associated with Kush groups. These people as a group died out. What is left as remains is genetic remnants.
Right shut you had some in west Africa as well. I don’t agree in talking down. They all our people that was apart of the transatlantic as well as the people who were here in the islands as well.
 

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Right shut you had some in west Africa as well. I don’t agree in talking down. They all our people that was apart of the transatlantic as well as the people who were here in the islands as well.
I have posted on this material prior. They did find old Hebrew scripture in West Africa, mainly the Sahara-Sahel region. Also look for the Lachish series (ancient Hebrews).

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Figurine of Semitic Slave in Egypt during the time of the Exodus from the Hecht Museum, Haifa, Israel


עברית: צלמית של שבוי שמי, ידיו קשורות מאחור, ממצרים העתיקה. אסף מוזיאון הכט
"14 And I will return the captives of Egypt and will lead them to the land of Pathros, to the land of their habitation, and they shall be there an unimportant kingdom."

ידוְשַׁבְתִּי֙ אֶת־שְׁב֣וּת מִצְרַ֔יִם וַֽהֲשִֽׁבֹתִ֚י אֹתָם֙ אֶ֣רֶץ פַּתְר֔וֹס
עַל־אֶ֖רֶץ מְכֽוּרָתָ֑ם וְהָ֥יוּ שָׁ֖ם מַמְלָכָ֥ה שְׁפָלָֽה:
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PATHROS (Pathʹros).

"Pathros is regularly associated with Egypt (Heb., Mits·raʹyim). (Eze 30:13, 14) Most scholars connect the name Pathros with an Egyptian expression meaning “Land of the South” and evidently referring to Upper Egypt. Upper Egypt generally designates the region of the Nile Valley running from a point somewhat S of Memphis on up (south) to Syene (modern Aswan) at the first cataract of the Nile.The text at Isaiah 11:11, which foretells the return of Israelite exiles from ‘Egypt (Mizraim), Pathros and Cush,’ would seem to corroborate the placing of Pathros somewhere in Upper Egypt, with Cush (Ethiopia) bordering it on the S. An Assyrian inscription of King Esar-haddon gives a similar lineup, referring to “Egypt (Musur), Paturisi and Nubia [Kusu, or Cush].”—Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 290.

Ezekiel 29:14 calls Pathros “the land of their [the Egyptians’] origin.” The traditional Egyptian view, as recounted by Herodotus (II, 4, 15, 99), apparently corroborates this, as it makes Upper Egypt, and particularly the region of Thebes, the seat of the first Egyptian kingdom, under a king whom Herodotus calls Menes, a name not found in Egyptian records. Diodorus Siculus (first century B.C.E.) records a similar view. (Diodorus of Sicily, I, 45, 1) The Egyptian tradition set forth by these Greek historians may be a feeble echo of the true history presented in the Bible regarding Mizraim (whose name came to stand for Egypt) and his descendants, including Pathrusim.—Ge 10:13, 14.

Following the desolation of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar, a remnant of the Jews fled into Egypt. Among the places listed in which they dwelt are Migdol, Tahpanhes, Noph (all cities of Lower Egypt), and “the land of Pathros.” (Jer 44:1) Here they engaged in idolatrous worship, resulting in Jehovah’s condemnation of them and the warning of a coming conquest of Egypt by Nebuchadnezzar. (Jer 44:15, 26-30)
Papyrus evidence of the fifth century B.C.E. shows a Jewish colony situated all the way at the southern end of ancient Egypt at Elephantine by Syene."
wol.jw.org


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THE MORGAN LIBRARY MUSEUM/ART RESOURCE, NY ENIGMATIC PAPYRUS ROLL.

The decipherment of P. Amherst 63 has been a long and painful process of trial and error. Written in Demotic, a cursive script derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs, this manuscript sheds new light on the Israelite religion and history of the Hebrew Bible. The cultic song contained in column XII, pictured here, is strinkingly similar to the Biblical Psalm 20.

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Brooklyn Musem, Bequest of Theodora Wilbour/Photograph by Bruce and Kenneth Zuckerman, West Semitic Research

IN THIS MARRIAGE DOCUMENT, dated to July 3, 449 B.C.E., Ananiah, who was a Jewish temple official on Elephantine, asks Meshullam for the hand of his daughter Tamut. The manuscript belongs to a group of papyri and ostraca (inscribed potsherds) that allow a fascinating glimpse into the daily life of Ananiah and Tamut and of other Arameans and Jews at Syene and Elephantine during the first Persian occupation of Egypt (525–404 B.C.E.).
Egyptian Papyrus Sheds New Light on Jewish History

 
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Jackson is right. I was just on wiki earlier. On the 'Genetic History of the Diaspora' page, they literally write "x% African (eg Yoruba). Can every single group of black ppl in the Americas be "African (eg Yoruba)"? Logic tells me no.


(Not like wiki is an amazing source, obviously, but I often start there, at least.)


What u said here makes sense
Yoruba is a term used post slavery, I think 19th Century

The first people taken from that region to the Americas were identified as Lukumi by the Portuguese and Spanish
Then 'Nago' when taken to Brazil (Anago)
This was in the 15th Century

They are basically the foundation of people that institution of slavery was built upon which maybe be why a trace of them can be found in most black people in America and the Caribbean. The other regions of Africa started mixing in at a much later time during the 16th and 17th centuries.

The term Yoruba connects people all over because of the language however the actual people that share those genes are the Lukumi or Olukumi (Chalk Makers) and this is why we have to take these genealogy sites with a pinch of salt sometimes because they are speaking in English terms because the English were the last ones to the Tea Party. When in fact the Portuguese were the first slave captors followed by the Spanish and they had their own terms, then now the people that they stole from the land had their own terms before that.

Even the people that live there now don't really know what they were called because if they did they wouldn't refer to them selves as Yoruba


A Brazilian speaking Yoruba


Cubans singing in Yoruba


An Anago from Benin speaking Yoruba



A Nigerian speaking Yoruba
 
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Is there a particular reason they stopped in South America before North America? The reason being it’s more black people there than North America
 

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They ranged in hue.​
Well it’s so called African American that’s her complexion. That’s how I think a lot of black people find confusion cause I’m a so called african American but my grandmother is half Native American but I’m darker than the woman in the video. Again I don’t think people claim one over the other I think a lot of us don’t know
 

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Well it’s so called African American that’s her complexion. That’s how I think a lot of black people find confusion cause I’m a so called african American but my grandmother is half Native American but I’m darker than the woman in the video. Again I don’t think people claim one over the other I think a lot of us don’t know

Your great-grandfather or great-grandmother was probably the child of an enslaved African.​
 
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