Black/Brown coalition chronicles: After Outcry Over Racist Remarks, Nury Martinez Resigns As LA City Council President, Takes Leave Of Absence
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theworldismine13
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If you don't mind me asking, what insight does that youtuber have on this issue that makes his take relevant?
I posted a segment from Tavis Smiley's show on KBLA. He and the station are based out of Los Angeles, and the segment had him interviewing 3 Council members, including the legal parent of the child who was insulted.
That youtuber isn't a journalist, doesn't present any new information,, and doesn't interview anybody involved in the L.A. political world.
If you don't mind me asking, what insight does that youtuber have on this issue that makes his take relevant?
I posted a segment from Tavis Smiley's show on KBLA. He and the station are based out of Los Angeles, and the segment had him interviewing 3 Council members, including the legal parent of the child who was insulted.
That youtuber isn't a journalist, doesn't present any new information,, and doesn't interview anybody involved in the L.A. political world.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
the issue he discusses and dismisses is the notion that latinos are political allies of black people
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good to see tavis has something going on. i used to love the PBS show
"Obviously bullshyt" and yet can't counter it.
You're a regressive who wants Black people to split the vote, and Latinos to not be voting at all, so that right-wing white people will control every national institution. That's the plain truth and you can't counter it.
Splitting the vote doesn't "leverage their vote" or gain power. The only shyt that would do is put more right-wing white people in power. Why the fukk would Republicans cater to Black people when their racist white base who wants them to do nothing for Black folk is 20x larger than any Black votes they will ever get? And why the fukk would Democrats become MORE pro-Black in response to Black folk liking what the Republican party has to offer? The natural response to losing votes to Republicans would be to move further to the right, not to become more pro-Black.
Your "logic" shows you're either an idiot or an agent.
And yet she was part of the administration that tried to funnel $4 billion to Black farmers until conservatives blocked it in the court because it was "race-specific" and discriminated against White people.
But you want a right-wing Black person in power instead, the party that literally thinks it's illegal to do things for Black people.
I hate the Democratic party and left it over 12 years ago, but I'm not so dense I can't realize they're preferable to the Republican party.
Yup, she bowed under pressure from Biden now and fully resigned.
Nury Martinez resigns from Los Angeles City Council in wake of leaked audio scandal
The resignation comes a day after she announced she'd take a leave of absence.
www.axios.com
Meanwhile, GOP politicians are making far more openly racist statements in public and their party won't even criticize them for it. Wouldn't resign in a million years because this IS the GOP that @theworldismine13 thinks Black folk should "split the vote" in favor of:
NAACP denounces 'flat out racist' remarks by GOP Sen. Tommy Tuberville at Trump rally
The Alabama Republican was criticized for suggesting over the weekend that descendants of Black slaves are criminals.
www.nbcnews.com
Republicans silent as Tuberville's racist remarks on reparations spark outrage
Tuberville, a former NCAA football coach at Auburn University, said Democrats \
www.usatoday.com
Los Angeles Mystery: Who Taped Meeting With Racist Rants?
MICHAEL R. BLOOD / APSat, October 15, 2022 at 1:44 AM·4 min read
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — An anonymously leaked recording of crude, racist remarks and political scheming that led to the resignation of the Los Angeles City Council president and a powerful labor leader left behind a mystery: Who made the tape, and why?
The posting of the year-old recording on the website Reddit in the run-up to November’s midterm elections raised obvious suspicions of political motive. Much of the hourlong, private conversation among several councilmembers and the head of Los Angeles County Federation of Labor -– all Latino Democrats –- centered on fortifying their clout in the realignment of Council districts.
It has now prompted a state investigation.Scroll back up to restore default view.
Los Angeles Mystery: Who Taped Meeting With Racist Rants?
MICHAEL R. BLOOD / AP
Sat, October 15, 2022 at 1:44 AM·4 min read
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — An anonymously leaked recording of crude, racist remarks and political scheming that led to the resignation of the Los Angeles City Council president and a powerful labor leader left behind a mystery: Who made the tape, and why?
The posting of the year-old recording on the website Reddit in the run-up to November’s midterm elections raised obvious suspicions of political motive. Much of the hourlong, private conversation among several councilmembers and the head of Los Angeles County Federation of Labor -– all Latino Democrats –- centered on fortifying their clout in the realignment of Council districts.
It has now prompted a state investigation.
The recording was made in a meeting room inside the headquarters of the politically influential labor group ― known locally as “the Fed” ― but it’s not known how the recording was made during a small gathering of friends, or even who was in the room.
“It’s blatantly obvious it was an insider job,” said Mark Gonzalez, who heads the Los Angeles County Democratic Party and believes the most likely target of the unknown person who recorded the meeting was federation president Ron Herrera.
Herrera has since resigned.
“It had to be somebody who had the access, and who knew his calendar, who was aware of that,” Gonzalez said. “Everybody is coming up with their own speculation.”
Former Council President Nury Martinez, the first Latina to hold the post, resigned Wednesday after President Joe Biden joined a chorus of officials calling on those involved to step down.
Martinez was recorded in the conversation as saying that white Councilmember Mike Bonin handled his young Black son as if he were an “accessory” and used derogatory terms in describing both of them, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday.
At another point on the hourlong recording she called indigenous immigrants from the Mexican state of Oaxaca “tan feos,” or “so ugly.” The conversation also included crass and bigoted comments about Jews, Armenians and other groups.
The source of the tape “is a parlor game going on all over town,” said former Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky. “It may never be solved.”
Two other Council members who attended the meeting remained out of public view on Friday, Gil Cedillo and Kevin de Leon, holding their seats despite mounting pressure to resign.
No one at the meeting has spoken publicly about the possible source of the recording.
The discussion centered on protecting Latino political power during the redrawing of council district boundaries, known as redistricting. The once-a-decade process can pit one group against another to gain political advantage in future elections.
The California Legislative Black Caucus said the recording “reveals an appalling effort to decentralize Black voices during the critical redistricting process.”
The labor federation did not respond to a series of questions, including detailing who attended the meeting. It issued a one-sentence statement which did not specifically say the meeting with the Council members was not recorded by the organization.
“It is not nor has it ever been the policy of the Fed to record meetings,” interim President Thom Davis said in a statement.
In today’s tech-saturated society, it’s simple to furtively record a private conversation with widely available devices. Mobile phones have highly sensitive microphones and easily can be concealed in a briefcase, purse or backpack.
The recording reveals possible clues: Clicks that could be briefcases opening, and noises that sound like papers shuffling that might suggest a microphone somewhere on or near the tabletop.
The language was appalling, Yaroslavsky said, and he could not recall any incident in which a private meeting among elected officials was privately taped. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” he said.
The Los Angeles Times reported that the recording was posted on Reddit by a now-suspended user. It is unclear who recorded the audio or who uploaded it to the website.
The disclosure of the secret recording unsettled the Los Angeles political community, especially those who have worked at the labor group’s headquarters. Gonzalez, the Democratic leader, said people were feeling “unsafe.”
Longtime Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant Michael Trujillo said whoever made the tape might never want to be identified. The person could be seen as a hero in some quarters for exposing racism within the highest ranks of City Hall, but it could also expose the person or persons to legal action for recording a conversation without consent, which is illegal in California. State law requires a person making a recording of someone else to obtain consent.
“The problem is that same hero is going to be facing criminal and civil court cases,” he said.
This article originally appeared on HuffPost and has been updated.
The recording was made in a meeting room inside the headquarters of the politically influential labor group ― known locally as “the Fed” ― but it’s not known how the recording was made during a small gathering of friends, or even who was in the room.
“It’s blatantly obvious it was an insider job,” said Mark Gonzalez, who heads the Los Angeles County Democratic Party and believes the most likely target of the unknown person who recorded the meeting was federation president Ron Herrera.
Herrera has since resigned.
“It had to be somebody who had the access, and who knew his calendar, who was aware of that,” Gonzalez said. “Everybody is coming up with their own speculation.”
Former Council President Nury Martinez, the first Latina to hold the post, resigned Wednesday after President Joe Biden joined a chorus of officials calling on those involved to step down.
Martinez was recorded in the conversation as saying that white Councilmember Mike Bonin handled his young Black son as if he were an “accessory” and used derogatory terms in describing both of them, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday.
At another point on the hourlong recording she called indigenous immigrants from the Mexican state of Oaxaca “tan feos,” or “so ugly.” The conversation also included crass and bigoted comments about Jews, Armenians and other groups.
The source of the tape “is a parlor game going on all over town,” said former Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky. “It may never be solved.”
Two other Council members who attended the meeting remained out of public view on Friday, Gil Cedillo and Kevin de Leon, holding their seats despite mounting pressure to resign.
No one at the meeting has spoken publicly about the possible source of the recording.
The discussion centered on protecting Latino political power during the redrawing of council district boundaries, known as redistricting. The once-a-decade process can pit one group against another to gain political advantage in future elections.
The California Legislative Black Caucus said the recording “reveals an appalling effort to decentralize Black voices during the critical redistricting process.”
The labor federation did not respond to a series of questions, including detailing who attended the meeting. It issued a one-sentence statement which did not specifically say the meeting with the Council members was not recorded by the organization.
“It is not nor has it ever been the policy of the Fed to record meetings,” interim President Thom Davis said in a statement.
In today’s tech-saturated society, it’s simple to furtively record a private conversation with widely available devices. Mobile phones have highly sensitive microphones and easily can be concealed in a briefcase, purse or backpack.
The recording reveals possible clues: Clicks that could be briefcases opening, and noises that sound like papers shuffling that might suggest a microphone somewhere on or near the tabletop.
The language was appalling, Yaroslavsky said, and he could not recall any incident in which a private meeting among elected officials was privately taped. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” he said.
The Los Angeles Times reported that the recording was posted on Reddit by a now-suspended user. It is unclear who recorded the audio or who uploaded it to the website.
The disclosure of the secret recording unsettled the Los Angeles political community, especially those who have worked at the labor group’s headquarters. Gonzalez, the Democratic leader, said people were feeling “unsafe.”
Longtime Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant Michael Trujillo said whoever made the tape might never want to be identified. The person could be seen as a hero in some quarters for exposing racism within the highest ranks of City Hall, but it could also expose the person or persons to legal action for recording a conversation without consent, which is illegal in California. State law requires a person making a recording of someone else to obtain consent.
“The problem is that same hero is going to be facing criminal and civil court cases,” he said.
This article originally appeared on HuffPost and has been updated.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
yes, the notion that that there will be an economic catastrophe if we stop illegal immigration is obviously bullsh*t and i dont need to counter it
you're a left wing shill that is trying to tie black people to white liberals and latinos using fear mongering and saying the world will end if black people dont support latinos and white liberals, which is bullsh*t
black people should leverage their vote and have intellectual space that is separate from the traditional parties
and putting all the votes in one party means black interests are subservient to other interests, so its the same difference
she is part of an administration that is being sued by black farmers
Black and brown farmers sue U.S. government over repealed debt relief
After debt relief promised under the American Rescue Plan Act was repealed under a section of the Inflation Reduction Act, farmers of color are suing the U.S government.
www.kcur.org
But you want a right-wing Black person in power instead, the party that literally thinks it's illegal to do things for Black people.
but you want black people to support the architect of the prison industrial complex
so you're a left wing extremist that is incapable of separating left wing politics from black interests, got it
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That wasn't the argument I made, you disingenuous liar. I said that if there weren't illegal immigrants they would just increase legal immigration, and that was just one of several arguments I made in that post ALL of which you overtly ignored.
Name-calling and fear words doesn't make up for not having a logical argument. Looks like you know you can't make it. Your position would lead to nothing other than more right-wing white people in power and you still haven't explained that away.
You have overtly said in the past that you want Black people to SPLIT their vote. You have repeatedly tried to discourage Black people from voting for democrats. You have repeatedly supported regressive policies. And every time I ask you what "leave the Democrats" will accomplish other than put right-wing Whites in power, you're silent.
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she is part of an administration that is being sued by black farmers
Black and brown farmers sue U.S. government over repealed debt relief
After debt relief promised under the American Rescue Plan Act was repealed under a section of the Inflation Reduction Act, farmers of color are suing the U.S government.
You can't be that stupid, which means you're purposely being disingenuous.
1) Congress/Biden signed off on $4 billion for Black farmers
2) Conservatives blocked the aid in the courts because it was race-specific. A Bush-nominted judge filed an injunction preventing any money from going out. The case would have been tied up in the courts for years, likely gone to the Supreme Court, and the current Trump majority may have not only blocked it but created Supreme Court precedent against ALL race-based aid.
3) Congress/Biden signed a new bill replacing the previous one, insted giving $3 billion to economically distressed farmers and $2.2 billion to farmers who had suffered from racial discrimination. It was the closest proxy to race that could avoid the race-based injunction that was completely out of their hands.
4) Ben Crump represented some Black farmers in a lawsuit saying they wanted the original bill. Obviously Biden had no power to give them the original bill, it was blocked by conservatives and that Bush judge. But more power to them, it's a long shot but maybe they'll get some money out of it which is exactly what Biden was trying to do for them in the first place.
Now your response to conservatives blocking aid to Black farmers is, "Let's vote for more conservatives!"
You can't be that stupid.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
This is what you said
You're saying that there would be some sort of crisis in the labor market if illegal immigration stopped , which is bullshyt
On top of that you support giving 11 million illegal immigrants citizenship
So your argument is bullshyt and so is your solution
If what I am saying leads to more right wing or republicans in power, than so be it. What exactly is it that I need to explain? Your argument will just lead to more left wing people like Nuri Martinez or Joe Biden in power, maybe you need to explain yourself, not me
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Low Quality Posting
I hope they work something out
I didn't say jack shyt about crisis, liar. I just said it would boost the drive to get more legal immigrants into the country. You 100% know that all those corporations who employ those people would push for it and would get their way.
And, once again, that wasn't even my main argument but you're repeatedly focusing on a side point because you wanted so badly to dodge the main argument about your strategy doing nothing more than getting Republicans elected. It's taken you a week to admit that, now that you apparently hope no one else is going to read this.
Nuri is out of power BECAUSE of Democrats. Meanwhile far more overt racists like Tommy Tuberville are happily supported by the Republicans because anti-Black racism is an asset in the Republican Party and a dealbreaker in the Democratic Party. See the difference?
And yeah, I think Biden is preferrable to Trump, who was appointing judges who literally want to make all race-based aid to Black people illegal. We know you would prefer Trump back in power but it's nice to watch you squirm every which way to avoid saying it.
I'm simply pushing past all the bullshyt because you weren't willing to say this upfront. It took you a week to even passively admit this as the end point.
Literally the ONLY thing your strategy would accomplish is to cement the right in power. It would reduce Black power in every other respect which nothing gained. And that, so far as I can tell, is exactly what you want.
But it wouldn't. I spelled that out. In the Republican party, they aren't going to do jack shyt of substance for Black people because even if a substantial # of Black folk voted for them, their hardcore racist white base will still be FAR larger, so any move to appease Black people will alienate their base. That's what Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips openly said when he instituted the Southern Strategy.
On the other hand, why the fukk would Democrats become more pro-Black if Black people joined the Republican party? If those Black people were attracted to anti-black, right-wing Republicans, then who would be stupid enough to think being pro-Black and left-wing would somehow win them back? Either the Democrats would become more right-wing, or they would just pivot to working harder to attract non-Black voters, but they would have zero incentive to be more pro-Black.
And you're also ignoring that judges nominated by Republicans work to block all explicitly pro-Black legisilation. So even if the Democrats DID become more pro-Black after losing the Black vote to Republicans, it would be for shyt because you've just packed the courts with judges who would then block all of it just like they blocked the Black farmer aid.
That's like claiming, "Republicans are gay covertly and Democrats are gay explicitly" or "Democrats are pro-abortion explicitly and Republicans are pro-abortion covertly".
If you're an anti-Black democrat, you can get away with it if you keep it a secret, just like there are Republicans who do gay shyt or get abortions secretly. But in terms of actual public policy, no one has the slightest doubt which party is going to pass anti-Black legislation and nominate anti-Black judges.
