Bill Simmons rips current NBA CBA

Do You like Parity in the NBA?

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    Votes: 19 47.5%
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Who gives a fukk what they have to pay. The nuggets valuation as a team have gone up over a billion dollars in the last decade.

Kroenke family is up at least a billion on one basketball team they own but they out here getting talking heads like Bill Simmons to try and convince the public that aint no way they can pay x amount in penalties to keep KCP? shyt makes 0 fukking sense.

It wasn't the second apron that made Denver not want to keep KCP. Denver just didn't want to keep KCP.

Joe Lacob bought the warriors for less than 500 million. They are worth BILLIONS now. But he trying to convince you that the tax they would have had to pay for keeping Klay Thompson was just to punitive.

The spots pysops is amazing. Cacs like Bill Simmons have somehow convinced people that familes with Billions of dollars who own companies worth billions of dollars somehow can't spend tens of millions or hundreds of millions to keep a team together.

And Parity has proven to be how almost every league makes the most money. It's how you reach the most fans. Silvers job is to do whats best for all 30 teams, not the Celtics and Lakers. When the Pacers are trash, a Pacers fan doesn't magically become a Lakers fan and watch laker games and go to laker games and buy laker players jerseys...they just don't watch basketball at all. It's just money lost. So as a business, and before an nba team is anything else it's a business, it's to the nba's benefit for the Pacers to at least be good enough that people want to watch them, want to attend their games, local broadcast stations want to pay a lot for their games, and advertisers want to pay to advertise their products during their game.

Every other thread about the nba is how they are doing something wrong. And then every financial document that comes out is how the nba made the most money ever and teams are worth the most money ever. Cac Simmons is complaining just to complain.

"The league is in such terrible shape that Amazon is trying to pay billinos of dollars for 45 games":mjcry:

To be fair, the Warriors are owned by an investment group. Lacob is the principal owner holding approximately 25%. The other minority owners may not be willing to forego dividends or even pay out of pocket to cover luxury taxes. To be honest, the other owners may not have the liquid assets to pay since they bought the team at a much lower valuation and the bulk of their net worth could be from their illiquid ownership stakes. You make a valid point about the Nuggets though since the family that owns them has vast wealth outside of the Nuggets.
 

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I don’t think more teams having a chance is a bad thing but I think it waters down the playoffs by having teams that really aren’t title worthy slip into the conference finals or finals.
That’s been happening forever.

Word to the 2000 pacers
 

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Because of the 2nd apron. Salaries are going to continue to increase across the league, so you're going to have situations where teams will have to let players walk for salary reasons just like the Nuggets had to with KCP.

People keeping pointing to MPJ's contract, while overlooking they still were going to have to pay KCP and Gordon and market value while also filling out the bench.

If you aren't good at drafting and player development, then you're going to struggle to win under this new CBA.
No he was saying Jokic and Murray are going to be anomalies…

An MVP being paired with a borderline all star is NOT going to be an anomaly in the future.


What may be an anomaly is paying MPJ a wild contract …which ain’t a big deal if shyt like that leads to more teams being able to compete
 

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Who gives a fukk what they have to pay. The nuggets valuation as a team have gone up over a billion dollars in the last decade.

Kroenke family is up at least a billion on one basketball team they own but they out here getting talking heads like Bill Simmons to try and convince the public that aint no way they can pay x amount in penalties to keep KCP? shyt makes 0 fukking sense.

It wasn't the second apron that made Denver not want to keep KCP. Denver just didn't want to keep KCP.

Joe Lacob bought the warriors for less than 500 million. They are worth BILLIONS now. But he trying to convince you that the tax they would have had to pay for keeping Klay Thompson was just to punitive.

The spots pysops is amazing. Cacs like Bill Simmons have somehow convinced people that familes with Billions of dollars who own companies worth billions of dollars somehow can't spend tens of millions or hundreds of millions to keep a team together.

And Parity has proven to be how almost every league makes the most money. It's how you reach the most fans. Silvers job is to do whats best for all 30 teams, not the Celtics and Lakers. When the Pacers are trash, a Pacers fan doesn't magically become a Lakers fan and watch laker games and go to laker games and buy laker players jerseys...they just don't watch basketball at all. It's just money lost. So as a business, and before an nba team is anything else it's a business, it's to the nba's benefit for the Pacers to at least be good enough that people want to watch them, want to attend their games, local broadcast stations want to pay a lot for their games, and advertisers want to pay to advertise their products during their game.

Every other thread about the nba is how they are doing something wrong. And then every financial document that comes out is how the nba made the most money ever and teams are worth the most money ever. Cac Simmons is complaining just to complain.

"The league is in such terrible shape that Amazon is trying to pay billinos of dollars for 45 games":mjcry:
They matched close to what Orlando was offering, but the state was the difference maker.

It's more than just the luxury tax now with the 2nd apron as it's more restrictive in the penalties against the team and it could hinder them from fielding a championship team especially considering how a lot of those contenders like Milwaukee mortgaged up a lot of those picks that they could now use.

Team valuations mean nothing in the grand scheme of things unless the owner is planning on selling the teaming.
 

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No he was saying Jokic and Murray are going to be anomalies…

An MVP being paired with a borderline all star is NOT going to be an anomaly in the future.


What may be an anomaly is paying MPJ a wild contract …which ain’t a big deal if shyt like that leads to more teams being able to compete
Theoretically it could be under this new CBA as at some point you will essentially have one player taking up nearly half of the teams salary cap.

In the case of the Nuggets and Celtics, you'll have two players taking up $120+ million of the salary cap and still having to field a competitive team around them.

The situation is going to get even more murky with this new upcoming TV money and potentially have dudes making $80 million a season.
 

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The Ben Simmons and James Hardens of the world are to blame for this
This is an overcorrection to course correct the shenanigans
but it will be fine, they need to stop crying
 

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NBA is the worse league for player development.

maybe those late to second round draft picks become more valuable
Yup now nikkas will have to take the draft seriously and develop oh noes
Even JJ and the Lakers admitting it, the irony :mjlol:
Can't swap players in an out as you please

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Bill been going to Celtics games for 50 years. His bias is deep.

Son knows once you have to start paying everybody it's over.

Boston had their chance to run it up.
Celts have their core all on extensions. Theyre the best prepared for this.

While he’s right, he was crying about the Heatles and the Warriors teams as much as anyone.

But I’ve always said we all want to see dynasties. It’s what makes the NBA great.
Bill has advocated for drafted player contracts counting less against their team's cap for a long time
 

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This CBA apron shyt is why the Knicks lost IHart when the squad has made some dope ass moves since Leon and the brain trust came through :francis:
They woulda lost iHart anyway because they didn’t own his Bird rights.

And even if yall did, yall had a choice and yall chose to be a Big East college.
 

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I don't really get the point of allowing the bird rights deals and then not giving the team like a credit or some way that the extra bird rights dollars dont count against the cap. That never made sense to me.
 

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My biggest issue with Simmons point is comparing NBA CBA/business model to the NFL. The NFL has a perfect one that no one can touch or replicate. The NBA wish they could do half of what the NFL could do. The bottom line is that the owners in all sports want a salary cap to level the playing field for teams and to keep salaries in check to some degree. MLB will eventually have a cap like the NBA does imo
MLB pretty much already has one. It’s why the Dodgers circumvented it with Ohtani and the Yankees sweat bullets looking at financials.
 
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