Bill Maher on minimum wage

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is it?

we are a pseudo capitalist country

and prior to industrialization wealth disparity was even worse than that.

at the end of the day, perceived value trumps everything. You could pay someone a ton, but inevitably based on the current system. The more educated(and certified) will get even larger bumps in pay. Youd just end up with inflation.

Government assistance programs are necessary to keep the low income class from becoming unruly. The romans did the same thing with monthly grain giveaways. At the end of the day some people will rise up and do whats necessary to ensure themselves and their families a higher spot in the pecking order and then there is the many that simply do not.

funny thing is, the class mobility here now is greater than its been in many years. That isnt taking into account race however(credit disparities, hiring disparities etc)

minimum wage jobs will stay minimum wage jobs strictly off the strength that anyone can do it. If that job required experience, training, a level of accountability it would be valued more. But we know that just isnt the case. You can get someone ringing up a cash register in literally an hour.
It's far too late at night for me to go into detail, but what you're saying is not true. Class mobility is not higher than it has been in years. In fact, the odds of moving up in social class (maybe it has changed with Britain struggling these recent years) is greater in Britain than in the United States for the first time in a long time. If you know recent history, that is a troubling sign. The disparity in wages has been at a steady increase since the 1970s and people of all income levels, including college graduates are making less than they were making a decade ago. The system you are talking about is working for a very few people. Most people do not end up in a social class higher than they were born into. Wealth disparity did not disburse because of industrialization. It disbursed due to minimum wage laws, child work protection laws, etc. It is government intervention and labor unions that brought about the rise in wages. It is even shown that just the presence of strong unions raises wages even among those not in unions locally because employers raise wages because they want to avoid it.

There are capitalist hybrid economies all over the world, and many of them do not endorse our brand of capitalism. The reason someone in France may be able to scrape by is because the government provides significantly more social services there (I.E. healthcare). If we just use the average monthly cost of a random healthcare premium as a barometer, we would have to increase the minimum wage to over 16 dollars an hour to cover it. The government provides that in France. What you're demonstrating is why social scientists majors need to exist and why law school and MBA students class often when we get together. You guys think purely in terms of maximizing profits, and ignore the effects on society. Employers determine the "market" and "value." It is not as if there is some sort of equation. Cotsco chooses to pay its employees 12 dollars an hour at minimum and it's no different than any other company of its sort.

Those employees are no less interchangeable. The Scandanavian countries that lack minimum wages do not institute it because their employees are largely covered by collective bargaining agreements and make more money than a proposed minimum wage. Just because someone did not become as educated as you or I does not mean they should suffer a life of barely being able to afford food. In NYC 50,000 homeless people have 1 or two jobs.
 

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It's far too late at night for me to go into detail, but what you're saying is not true. Class mobility is not higher than it has been in years. In fact, the odds of moving up in social class (maybe it has changed with Britain struggling these recent years) is greater in Britain than in the United States for the first time in a long time. If you know recent history, that is a troubling sign. The disparity in wages has been at a steady increase since the 1970s and people of all income levels, including college graduates are making less than they were making a decade ago. The system you are talking about is working for a very few people. Most people do not end up in a social class higher than they were born into. Wealth disparity did not disburse because of industrialization. It disbursed due to minimum wage laws, child work protection laws, etc. It is government intervention and labor unions that brought about the rise in wages. It is even shown that just the presence of strong unions raises wages even among those not in unions locally because employers raise wages because they want to avoid it.

There are capitalist hybrid economies all over the world, and many of them do not endorse our brand of capitalism. The reason someone in France may be able to scrape by is because the government provides significantly more social services there (I.E. healthcare). If we just use the average monthly cost of a random healthcare premium as a barometer, we would have to increase the minimum wage to over 16 dollars an hour to cover it. The government provides that in France. What you're demonstrating is why social scientists majors need to exist and why law school and MBA students class often when we get together. You guys think purely in terms of maximizing profits, and ignore the effects on society. Employers determine the "market" and "value." It is not as if there is some sort of equation. Cotsco chooses to pay its employees 12 dollars an hour at minimum and it's no different than any other company of its sort.

Those employees are no less interchangeable. The Scandanavian countries that lack minimum wages do not institute it because their employees are largely covered by collective bargaining agreements and make more money than a proposed minimum wage. Just because someone did not become as educated as you or I does not mean they should suffer a life of barely being able to afford food. In NYC 50,000 homeless people have 1 or two jobs.
i mean i feel all that but i did say that Government assistance programs are necessary :leon:

but at the end of the day, we arent like those nations and likely wont be for a long time.

and furthermore, being "rich" involves thinking like that. Its easy to say somebody inherited what they own and currently work together to keep it that way....but at some point in history. Someone built the bulk of that wealth too. And they did it by maximizing profit for themselves by any means necessary

sidenote: saying that such and such company or country chooses to pay its worker more doesnt really effect my point, which is the idea of "perceived value"

if someone does not value what you do, they wont pay you outside of government intervention and considering in our country those with money influence leadership the most. It aint happenin :ehh:
 

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:shaq2: How about you drop your gem and illuminate us then...........
You guys are too stuck in your own beliefs to listen to anything constructive. It's basic mathematics and overall satisfaction levels that allow people to become creative.

You guys simply don't understand economics, business, or really how all these $1 menus are hurting us bad.
 

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Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be careers. They are supposed to be stepping stones to further yourself. I read articles about people complaining that they have been working at this minimum wage job for 6 years and still get paid so low. How about having some ambition and making some moves. And people with kids? Sorry about your bad life choices , but its your responsibility to fix the situation. If I had a kid and was making little money, it would just make me that much more motivated to make it. I know the system is against the low income of the country, but they have plenty of ways out if you look hard enough.

You have been wrong about everything in this thread.

Everything
everyone i know that works minimum wage jobs for a living, at some point in their lives had the option of doing better things but either were complacent and made excuses for why they cant do different

then years go by and the option no longer exists

the value of your labor isnt based on hard work, its almost 90% what you can be accountable for. In laymans terms education = more wages

some people realize it early and for some its too late
You as well. Both of you are posting on feelings and anecdotal evidence.

All the data goes against both of y'all thinking

BTW, only 5% of Americans move to another social economic class in their lifetimes
 

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You have been wrong about everything in this thread.

Everything

You as well. Both of you are posting on feelings and anecdotal evidence.

All the data goes against both of y'all thinking

BTW, only 5% of Americans move to another social economic class in their lifetimes
95% of the population is unskilled or happy with their status and are just lazy to get more :troll:
 
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Here we go with the same old capitalist narrative and "bootstraps" nonsense.

"Make good life choices" they say, without taking in supplementary information of those workers and their environment. That's one of the problems with capitalism, everything can be explained by "do it better" without taking into account that either:

A) Most Businesses would not survive if everyone was above working at some place

OR

B) Skilled workers would become overly-saturated and thus you would have skilled workers who made good life choices working at McDonalds (i.e., back to step one).


Thus, a system such as this neo-capitalism that we have today depends on there being a criminal class, poverty, wealth disparity, lack of education, lack of birth control, and so on. If ALL people made better lifestyle choices, the criteria for the lower classes would just re-adjust. Therefore, instead of you being a High School drop out to work at place X, now you have to have a Bachelor's degree to flip burgers. Then the capitalist would be in here saying "Well fukking bootstraps, bootstraps, better decisions, bootstraps, trickledown c*nt, bootstraps" nonsense and telling everyone to get PhDs.

fukking fairy tale nonsense.

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You guys are too stuck in your own beliefs to listen to anything constructive. It's basic mathematics and overall satisfaction levels that allow people to become creative.

You guys simply don't understand economics, business, or really how all these $1 menus are hurting us bad.

just because one or 2 people are 'too stuck' doesn't mean we all are...


*Sigh*...........
 

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Half of the country still believes in the Republican Party.

ok. so whats your take on the topic?
Why is the $1 menu hurting us?
Can we, should we increase minimum wage?
Why/why not?
Share your views...
 

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ok. so whats your take on the topic?
Why is the $1 menu hurting us?
Can we, should we increase minimum wage?
Why/why not?
Share your views...
My take on the topic is that Republicans are the ones that are holding this country back and this coming from someone who is not happy with the Democratic party.

The $1 menu hurting us is so obvious that if you don't understand why it's in McDonald's best interest to keep it then you maybe should view the Bill Maher clip again. I will expound on that if you can at least figure out what Bill Maher is saying.

Should we increase the minimum wage? :comeon:
 

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My take on the topic is that Republicans are the ones that are holding this country back and this coming from someone who is not happy with the Democratic party.

The $1 menu hurting us is so obvious that if you don't understand why it's in McDonald's best interest to keep it then you maybe should view the Bill Maher clip again. I will expound on that if you can at least figure out what Bill Maher is saying.

Should we increase the minimum wage? :comeon:


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