Bill Maher on minimum wage

[DEAD7]

I hope some of the people in here aren't serious in making minimum wage $50?

If minimum wage was raised then every product in this country would be more expensive and more jobs will go to other countries, I sound like a broken record

Wait, are you saying that min wage and the cost of living are connected, and that raising the wage simply raises living cost and accomplishes nothing?

 

[Blackking]

brehs listen to rich mf's like Bill Maher brehs about what the poor should fight for brehs. ...

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Damn I missed the rally
Just saw this and had to take a picture for my fellow coli posters $15 rofl. Pay fast food workers more than paralegals breh

 

[Blackking]

There are muthafackas who build pallets and wear gloves and work in warehouses driving halo forklifts, working hard... barely making 15 in some places.

Tell this to all the bishes w degrees to work as assistants not making 15 dollars. foh

 

[DEAD7]

"a job is a right"

 

[Brown_Pride]

The red isnt true, but thats a whole other conversation.


The problem is the policies put into place to help the 99% are in fact hurting them, and increasing the disparity. We need to (brace for cold breeze) stop trying to make everyone win. Some people are going to lose, its life... and our attempts to reduce the number of people suffering windfall losses has created more losers(figuratively). We need to start making good decisions as a nation, not "feel good" decisions...




Also, let the income brackets go, they are complete bullshyt anyways and only serve to mislead and misinform. Tax bracket receipts from the IRS are better but even they are misleading. Income statistics are snapshots and do not follow flesh and blood people over time, so when people look at them and conclude economic mobility is low, its far from accurate. It also insinuates that the 20% at the bottom during a snap shot in 2010 are the same flesh and blood people in the bottom 20% in 2013. Not saying they cant be or are not, but its not solid enough evidence to parade around as fact.
Secondly income statistics only measure income, not net worth. If lets say... Will Smith took a year off from everything, and made $0, straight up nothing.Using the methods you consider legit, he would be part of the bottom 10% in poverty. Its silly.
Third 90% of income statistics are based on household income, without ever defining household. Are there as many people in a White home, as in a Asian home? how about a Black household? Yet they are compared side by side as if equal at all times... What if you have 10 people in your household all making federal min wage, you would fall into the middle class despite each individual being poor as shyt
Per ca-pita income should be the only acceptable measurement tool.

it's not even about trying to make everyone win, it's about living in a first world nation and having starving children. Play coy all you want if you can't see there is a disparity of wealth in this country and a pooling of capital into fewer and fewer hands then really there's no point in having this conversation. If you can't see a problem you're sure as fuk not going to recognize a possible solution.

What policies in place are actually hurting the poor btw and who put those policies in place?

If the problem in your mind is that we're trying to help to much then you should probably take a step back and really evaluate your thinking.

I agree income isn't the best measure, what it is though is a damn good indicator of a situation. Will smith taking a year off of works doesn't amount to a statistical blip...they only make up 1% of the entire population, for one of them to STOP isn't going to amount for much in terms of people.

 

[DEAD7]

it's not even about trying to make everyone win, it's about living in a first world nation and having starving children. Play coy all you want if you can't see there is a disparity of wealth in this country and a pooling of capital into fewer and fewer hands then really there's no point in having this conversation. If you can't see a problem you're sure as fuk not going to recognize a possible solution.

What policies in place are actually hurting the poor btw and who put those policies in place?

If the problem in your mind is that we're trying to help to much then you should probably take a step back and really evaluate your thinking.

I agree income isn't the best measure, what it is though is a damn good indicator of a situation. Will smith taking a year off of works doesn't amount to a statistical blip...they only make up 1% of the entire population, for one of them to STOP isn't going to amount for much in terms of people.

"starving children" one of the most potent appeals to emotion in the liberal arsenal
It automatically paints any one not agreeing with you as being anti children and subsequently the "bad guy"
I admire the brilliance and effectiveness of it all.

pushing that aside though, we frankly do help too much .

We distribute so much aid, in such a way, that the overall incentive to work hard is diminished.

It creates a vicious cycle of, people under achieving, bleeding hearts demanding care for them, leading to more underachievers, and more bleeding hearts demanding more care for them, and so on and so on... it never ends.

An example of policies hurting, would be any number of regulations.
Economic mobility is stifled by the yellow tape hindering those at the bottom from entering a market. Chose a market and ill lay out the specifics, but I dont think the point is really debatable.

 

[DEAD7]

Now I fully understand that logical arguments have no place in the liberal world of emotion, and that if feeding a hungry child, means bankrupting the country then so be it.
I also get that liberals have anointed themselves the administers of morality, and the arbitrators of whats right and/or just.

I get that liberals and liberals alone understand and can interpret the social contract, and alone have the mental ability to access what a mans worth is and/or should be worth.

I understand that it is not the individual that should be able to decide what is or isn't right for his or her self, but liberal surrogate decision makers who know what best for me and everyone else.

I get that private enterprise and the free market are the devils work, and socialism is gods plan... I get it. Govt. and only govt. can save us, i get it. Cause govt. as proven over and over, it works for the people, and has the peoples best interest at heart.

I get robbing one man, to pay another is moral, cause all rich people are evil, and if there some good ones, fukk em anyway. I get it.




All thats cool, and i get it, I dont want anyone to think I dont understand.


I just want to see evidence that we are not being led astray by all this... cause my fukkkery senses are tingling like crazy.

 

[CrimsonTider]

There are muthafackas who build pallets and wear gloves and work in warehouses driving halo forklifts, working hard... barely making 15 in some places.

Tell this to all the bishes w degrees to work as assistants not making 15 dollars. foh

You have no data to back anything you're saying

Everything is brought about through your own ignorant perspective.

There was a thread on this a while back where I listed government data of jobs makes $15 an hour and none if them was more complicated than a fast food worker

 

[Brown_Pride]

"starving children" one of the most potent appeals to emotion in the liberal arsenal
It automatically paints any one not agreeing with you as being anti children and subsequently the "bad guy"
I admire the brilliance and effectiveness of it all.

pushing that aside though, we frankly do help too much .

We distribute so much aid, in such a way, that the overall incentive to work hard is diminished.

It creates a vicious cycle of, people under achieving, bleeding hearts demanding care for them, leading to more underachievers, and more bleeding hearts demanding more care for them, and so on and so on... it never ends.

An example of policies hurting, would be any number of regulations.
Economic mobility is stifled by the yellow tape hindering those at the bottom from entering a market. Chose a market and ill lay out the specifics, but I dont think the point is really debatable.

it has nothing to do with emotion and more to do with humanity. If that makes me "emotional" the so be it. When logic starts to turn on you rway of thinking...i.e. people start up and robbing and killing because they are sick and tired of watching their kids hurt and or they don't have any feasible logical answer then what?

I agree a lot of the programs in question are broken and in need of some overhaul, but that doesn't mean they aren't needed. I've also said the problem runs deeper than a blip on the national budget.

and you want to talk logic? You're complaining about snap and such causing this country to go bankrupt when food stamps only account for what less than 6%...but yeah that 6% is what's gonna break the camel's back.

 

[DEAD7]

it has nothing to do with emotion and more to do with humanity. If that makes me "emotional" the so be it. When logic starts to turn on you rway of thinking...i.e. people start up and robbing and killing because they are sick and tired of watching their kids hurt and or they don't have any feasible logical answer then what?

I agree a lot of the programs in question are broken and in need of some overhaul, but that doesn't mean they aren't needed. I've also said the problem runs deeper than a blip on the national budget.

and you want to talk logic? You're complaining about snap and such causing this country to go bankrupt when food stamps only account for what less than 6%...but yeah that 6% is what's gonna break the camel's back.

Monetary cost sure, but that isnt the only form of cost.
The breakdown of the nuclear family, teenage single mothers, and and entitlement culture, are all cost to subsidizing poor decisions. Obviously the issues begin to spiral out from there, but everyone here is well aware of them, so i'll stop there.
Ask yourself this, has welfare diminished, or uplifted the black community?
If you believe welfare is god sent and has lifted are people up, then... fair enough we're seeing things completely different, and thats fine.


I wish you could take off your liberal glasses and see the whole picture... for instance lets take min wage(since its the topic at hand), raising it leaves more young men without jobs standing on the street corner leading to what? Exactly what you see happening if you dont raise wages "people start up and robbing and killing because they are sick and tired of watching their kids hurt"
I'd rather see young niqqas working for $3/hr learning a business/trade, or at least work ethic... instead of not working at all and turning on their own communities. <---- which is the reality of it, regardless if how great your liberal ideas sound.
Raising the min wage hurts those who are not employed(of which blacks are disproportionately represented).




Your Democac masters(who never wanted slavery abolished in the first place) couldnt be happier with how things have played out,
simply promising you a bite to eat insures them your vote.

 

[DEAD7]

And 99% of liberal arguments are purely emotional

The term "living wage" is in itself a tear jerker term implying people are falling over dead with what they are making now.

whats the opposite of a 'living wage"? Death wage? Lets not play games, this is obviously an appeal to emotion on every level


.... maybe liberals really cant see it....

 

[Wild self]

it has nothing to do with emotion and more to do with humanity. If that makes me "emotional" the so be it. When logic starts to turn on you rway of thinking...i.e. people start up and robbing and killing because they are sick and tired of watching their kids hurt and or they don't have any feasible logical answer then what?

I agree a lot of the programs in question are broken and in need of some overhaul, but that doesn't mean they aren't needed. I've also said the problem runs deeper than a blip on the national budget.

and you want to talk logic? You're complaining about snap and such causing this country to go bankrupt when food stamps only account for what less than 6%...but yeah that 6% is what's gonna break the camel's back.

You know, only in America embraces that trickle down theory. No other first world country embraces that free market shyt.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Monetary cost sure, but that isnt the only form of cost.
The breakdown of the nuclear family, teenage single mothers, and and entitlement culture, are all cost to subsidizing poor decisions. Obviously the issues begin to spiral out from there, but everyone here is well aware of them, so i'll stop there.
Ask yourself this, has welfare diminished, or uplifted the black community?
If you believe welfare is god sent and has lifted are people up, then... fair enough we're seeing things completely different, and thats fine.

I believe you're confusing my arguments with the arguments you are accustomed too. I believe welfare is broken. It's not a God send, it has it's flaws, that doesn't mean it's not required. There's a little more nuance that requires less absolute thinking and more practical thinking. NO Welfare isn't the best thing in the world; YES it does have it's purpose

I wish you could take off your liberal glasses and see the whole picture... for instance lets take min wage(since its the topic at hand), raising it leaves more young men without jobs standing on the street corner leading to what? Exactly what you see happening if you dont raise wages "

people start up and robbing and killing because they are sick and tired of watching their kids hurt"
I'd rather see young niqqas working for $3/hr learning a business/trade, or at least work ethic... instead of not working at all and turning on their own communities. <---- which is the reality of it, regardless if how great your liberal ideas sound.

And I hope you realize your argument is supportive of indentured servitude and a stones throw away from slavery, no hyperbole here but you're all for corporations paying sweatshop wages so long as people are learning skills? Can you really not see the flaw in that argument, particularly when the people writing the payroll checks are eating like fat cats? Quite literally you want the US to turn into a 3rd world country...?

Raising the min wage hurts those who are not employed(of which blacks are disproportionately represented).
Your Democac masters(who never wanted slavery abolished in the first place) couldnt be happier with how things have played out,
simply promising you a bite to eat insures them your vote.

First off i'm "Pragmatic" not liberal. Second I can't stand most democratic politicians. Raising the minimum wage is not really even the issue, it's a symptom or rather a treatment for a symptom, as is welfare. And as with welfare just because somethings broken doesn't mean it's not needed.

and just so we can be clear on my stance and views i'll tell you the same thing I told my son when he asked me the difference between democrats and republicans, and it's a truth I find more and more to be accurate.

You're walking home after working a long day, suddenly you're attacked from behind, raped and robbed. After attacking you your attack gets up, blames you and goes on his way. That's a republican.

You're walking home after working a long day, suddenly you're attacked from behind, raped and robbed. After attacking you your attack gets up, hands you back $5 from your own money and gives you a hug. That's a Democrat.

I don't like either one of them, but if forced...and we are... i'll take my $5 bucks and a hug...

 

[DEAD7]

You know, only in America embraces that trickle down theory. No other first world country embraces that free market shyt.

and somehow we lead the world... imagine that.