Bill Maher attacks Hollywood for gun violence in movies..

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Not agreeing with him really but for awhile now I've always thought *part* of the problem is the gun culture we foster here. Shooting a gun is cool, it can be fun but we push it too hard and at too young an age imo. We need to stress the responsibility and danger of firearms more than we do the "cool." But this is america, and that might hurt sales/profit so it'll never happen.
 

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Even the people here who like to pretend "it doesn't affect anything" switch their stances up when that content contains homosexuality, we got endless threads right here on the coli about LGBT agendas being promoted in media and why its problematic.

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The Coli: There’s nothing wrong with gratuitous violence in movies. I’ve been watching violent movies since I was 5, and I never had the urge to shoot someone or commit heinous acts of violence.

Also The Coli: I’m so sick of Hollywood’s gay agenda. They’re putting gays characters in everything, because they’re trying to turn our little black boys gay :damn:
 

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Not agreeing with him really but for awhile now I've always thought *part* of the problem is the gun culture we foster here. Shooting a gun is cool, it can be fun but we push it too hard and at too young an age imo. We need to stress the responsibility and danger of firearms more than we do the "cool." But this is america, and that might hurt sales/profit so it'll never happen.
This is it basically.

Japan can make a thousand martial arts films and kill 200 people but at the end of the day it’s a discipline. Either as a performer or the time it takes to actually learn those moves.

Gun culture today compared to past, at least 90% of the people owning firearms in 2022 couldn’t hunt their own dinner( a practical skill) if they needed to but think they are ready to kill an intruder or stop a mass shooting instead of running away.
 

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Why I signed into twitter and this article is a trending topic. A fat woman saw a skinny actress in a fat suit and called out the industry.. This was the exact point lol. Can't even have a movie like shallow hall anymore but there's 100 movies where the HERO would quickly be doing 100000 years based off his actions.



 

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So he's looking for smoke with people who make moving pictures that happen to feature guns, rather than actual gun manufacturers, because he knows that will have a gang of 2nd Amendment worshipping nutcases on his ass, if he did. :ehh:
 

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So he's looking for smoke with people who make moving pictures that happen to feature guns, rather than actual gun manufacturers, because he knows that will have a gang of 2nd Amendment worshipping nutcases on his ass, if he did. :ehh:
He was pointing out hypocrisy. Gun manufacturers aren't acting holier than though and acting like they have missions other than making tons of money like a lot of Hollywood creatives do.
 

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The whole gun/LGBTQ parallel doesn't really work beyond being an internet hot take.

Sexuality is an inherent part of human nature for everyone, and can be affected by external forces.

Unless you're a complete fukking sociopath, "let me go shoot a bunch of people" is not an inherent part of human nature, no matter how many movies you watch.

Fred.
 

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The whole gun/LGBTQ parallel doesn't really work beyond being an internet hot take.

Sexuality is an inherent part of human nature for everyone, and can be affected by external forces.

Unless you're a complete fukking sociopath, "let me go shoot a bunch of people" is not an inherent part of human nature, no matter how many movies you watch.

Fred.


The argument that external forces can shape sexuality should logically extend to cover shaping attitudes about other beliefs we hold. Shooting a bunch of people is an extreme outcome but I'd argue that consuming a steady diet of wonton violence will ultimately warp your value of human life in some ways.

I complain about drill music on here all the time and people are quick to assure me that it's "just entertainment" and when it's pointed out that the subjects of many of these songs are real life people that were actually murdered, people deflect to the fact that the "artists" are also gang members. The quiet point is that we've become ok with jamming to music about real life Black people that were murdered and I hold the belief that it speaks to the value of life being cheapened by an external force.
 

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I'll say again.. He has a point.

Do we not think guns are cool as fukk? Why is that? It sure ain't from watching footage of actual war and shootings right? It's from movies. We covet what we see.. From white boys in the 50s watching westerns to us in the 90s watching New Jack City... We wanted those guns dammit. 357 magnum like Eastwood. Mac 10 like Nino Had.. Rockabye Baby!!!

We out here quoting movies, acting them shyts out.. Every time there's a shooting it's "If I was there with my gun I'd have......." "If they shot my daughter I wouldn't even tell, I'd have to find them fools myself." Same corny talk from the movies that we know dudes ain't doing. But they idolize that. Dude just mowing through 10-20-50 guys with no problems. When's the last time a hero killed 5 people, acting alone to save someone? Never right... But you'd think it'd happened 28 times a year according to movies..


You don't think it affects children? Or grown adults? How many gun nuts you know? Where you think they got the idea from?
Considering these movies are watched worldwide with huge success (as much or even more than the US in some cases) and no country comes close to the US issues with gun violence... No, he doesn't have a point.

There's clearly other stuff that's at play here — y'all have centuries of gun glorification that goes way beyond art and movies—that makes movies, videogames and other shyt have an impact in your country that doesn't happen anywhere else.

So the work that should be done isn't in movies. There's other shyt that has to be adressed first.
 

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it does play a part, just because it doesn't effect you doesn't mean it doesn't someone else

just like music etc
 

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The argument that external forces can shape sexuality should logically extend to cover shaping attitudes about other beliefs we hold. Shooting a bunch of people is an extreme outcome but I'd argue that consuming a steady diet of wonton violence will ultimately warp your value of human life in some ways.

I complain about drill music on here all the time and people are quick to assure me that it's "just entertainment" and when it's pointed out that the subjects of many of these songs are real life people that were actually murdered, people deflect to the fact that the "artists" are also gang members. The quiet point is that we've become ok with jamming to music about real life Black people that were murdered and I hold the belief that it speaks to the value of life being cheapened by an external force.

It doesn't logically extend to it.

Everyone experiences sexuality....not everyone experiences the urge to shoot people.

Sexual preferences, kinks, etc. can be linked to events in a child's life....this is psychology 101.

"This guy shot up a school" is never linked to "well, he watched 'Rambo'"....unless:

1. The person was already clearly nuts.

2. That angle is being used by a politician, making the argument disingenuously. If it's not movies it's video games. If it's not video games it's rap music.

Which brings me to my next point....

Drill music is an anomaly because it's not just violent or negative music. There is real life beefs tied into it, 99.99% of the time. Half these guys aren't actually rappers. They're just goons that rap.

The bar to rap is so low now, literally anyone can do it. And I don't mean quality. I mean, if you have a cell phone you can record a song, a video, and upload it in like 20 minutes. You could do that right now.

So these guys, that are already heavy in the streets, do this....get shot or go to jail....then people say "oh, rap is bad." When they were never really "on" as a rapper.

Again, De La Soul don't have these issues.

Fred.
 

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I remember when I was young I would be upset if a movie wasn't violent enough or if the kills didn't seem real. The more violent the better. But never have I ever had the urge to kill someone.
 
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