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Bill Maher attacks Hollywood for gun violence in movies..
- Thread starter The Devil's Advocate
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We still got people denying the large influence of media on the masses. What a world. I get it, we just want to be entertained. But to deny how constantly seeing death and violence desensitizes people to the real shyt is a damn shame.
Bugzbunny129
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Me and homie were having a Diff discussion about america vs other countries.. but to bills “point”…
Theres so many problems with that statement. I reject its premise altogether. It was made to have a segment where he points out hypocrisy with a few laughs. I take it as nothing more.
Hollywood hypocritical pandering? You dont say…
Ever since columbine theyve been trying to blame media on these kids killing others. Did the violent games music and movies help lead them down that road? Could be. None of us know. What i do know is 99.9% of everyone else seems to be able to separate reality from fiction.
What is over the top violence anyway? We already established that asian cinema is the most violent yet they dont got these “issues”. They complained joker was gonna make school shooters cause the it was about an incel loner due to fear of the batman 3 shooter. A once in a lifetime event doesnt = a problem.
If violence was downplayed theyd come out and say “FILMS DONT EXPOSE THE REALITIES OF VIOLENCE”, but instead we get “FILMS INFLUENCE VIOLENT BEHAVIOR”.
Crime been down. Gun violence been down. These news types take literally take 10 stories of kid shooters and stretched them out over 2 decades to make it seem like ite rampant.
Again, Bills bytching cause he has to bytch about something every week; cuz thats what the segment calls for. Thats the world in general. Complain complain complain. THAT should be against the law at this point.
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
That's not what anyone has said.
Other nations take in our movies, TV shows, music, etc, yet they aren't having mass shootings at the rate it happens in this country. Only talking about mass media as being the problem, like Maher and other lazy thinkers, obfuscates from the real issue being the ease of getting weapons.
Hong Kong has had a robust output of top tier ultra violent gun-fu movies for decades, yet you don't hear about many mass shootings from that part of the world.
Gritsngravy
Superstar
It’s a cultural thing changing movies ain’t going to do shyt, Americans like gun play, I’m sure most of us seriously thought about joining the military not necessarily for peace keeping but getting into gun fights, I even lowkey think about what it would’ve been like in a world war(even though blacks weren’t being treated right)
Nero Christ
Sniper out now on all digital platforms brev
I mean people can't deny the influence media has on people when you can look at characters in movies ceasing to smoke cigs in movies and the generally decline in it's use the past couple of decades compared to the 50s & 60s.
How many of us have watched friends & family fall to bullshyt they see on social media...how many idiots are roaming around this country because they mainly watch fox news? and you want to deny how media can influence world views.
I used to absolve movies, games, and music too but much like what's in a person's environment, media can absolutely play a role in how they think and act. Doesn't mean there isn't personal responsibility for their actions, however media is VERY influential in our daily lives.
How many of us have watched friends & family fall to bullshyt they see on social media...how many idiots are roaming around this country because they mainly watch fox news? and you want to deny how media can influence world views.
I used to absolve movies, games, and music too but much like what's in a person's environment, media can absolutely play a role in how they think and act. Doesn't mean there isn't personal responsibility for their actions, however media is VERY influential in our daily lives.
The Devil's Advocate
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So I can’t think multiple people need to do better at the same time? Why must I be so single minded?
I made the thread because I watched the show and when he said that, I said “Well he does have a point. I wonder what the coli thinks.”
Everyone is digging so deep into it. And yes I get it’s bill and he’s problematic and this is his job. But I know I wanted a mac 11 cause I saw it in new Jack city. I know I wanted the 50 cal after seeing dudes with it in movies. I know I wanted my .308 even though I never hunted. Cause movies. That’s why I want the .50 cal. That’s why I wanted the gun from Scarface. That’s why I carry the 9. And have so many guns.
It ain’t JUST cause the law allows. I don’t argue…Yes, banning all guns would drop shootings. And No, banning all gun movies wouldn’t stop them from happening.
But the LOVE of guns and everyone thinking they just need to be a badass with a gun, comes directly from entertainment like movies and music, and that is a PART of our gun culture
And why y’all talking bout the chart and “he made it seem”. It came from the FBI on data from mass shooters lol. He didnt make it up
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
No one says otherwise.
Lazy thinkers think that's why its happening in America when that is not close to reality. The ease of getting guns is why this shyt takes place.
Look at Maher's premise, he talks about vengeance. What vengeance was the monster who killed those babies in Uvalde exhibiting? What about the fukker in Buffalo? The guy who mowed down those people in Vegas?
Even in gun violence that doesn't get headline stories, it's not vengeance, it's stupid actions getting out of hand. What about our very high suicide rate from guns. Where is the vengeance in that?
It's lazy and doesn't address the real truth, which is the American way it seems. Look at everything else but the answer staring us in the face.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Because changing our laws addresses most of our gun violence. Saying, "do something with the movies," doesn't address the problem. Maher decided to say, "do something Hollywood!" Especially since he didn't talk about the gun industry's influence on Hollywood.
Its lazy and cowardly, which is not surprising since Maher been that way for a while and has decided to target the powerless.
Again, no other nation has these problems yet they have our media and often more violent media in their home country.
Bugzbunny129
All Star
I understand your point bro and i agree with you 100,
Its just when he says that, idk how serious hes being thats why i take it as just a joke instead of an actual idea. everything you said i think too, we ajnt shooting anyone. A love of guns is not the actual problem hes making it out to be.
As for these hypocrites calling for gun control while they star in these films.. just shows hollywood filled with frauds whos opinions snd points dont matter. Money talks. Gunplay talks money. Fantasy is money. Anyone actually killing people cuz they are obsessed with seeing it on the screen either already joined the military or is crazy and in jail
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I can't believe this thread went 100 posts deep. No disrespect to you @The Devil's Advocate but the lazy, unoriginal take Maher is trying to repackage as an intellectual idea is so transparently false it shouldn't even require discussion. They've been pushing this bullshyt for years now, blaming video games and movies for mass shootings.
It's 2022, we shouldn't even acknowledge takes that can be disproven with a 5 second google search. Some of these things are common sense, we all know that Japan, Korea and China all consume more video games than US but they don't have these problems. We all know that Western media has a global reach and action films from foreign countries are even more violent than Hollywood stuff that tries to get a softer movie rating so it can reach broader public (it's a cause for celebration when a blockbuster gets an R rating).
Somehow right-wingers will consider everything except the most obvious reason for disparity in mass shootings between US and rest of the world ... guns.
So the only thing we should be discussing about Bill Maher is if the hypocrisy of that take outweigh the stupidity. How can you in the same breath rail against cancel culture and also want to cancel violence in movies. How can you cry about 'woke culture' and 'feminization' but also cry about toxic masculinity of action heroes.
This is just so dumb on so many levels.
It's 2022, we shouldn't even acknowledge takes that can be disproven with a 5 second google search. Some of these things are common sense, we all know that Japan, Korea and China all consume more video games than US but they don't have these problems. We all know that Western media has a global reach and action films from foreign countries are even more violent than Hollywood stuff that tries to get a softer movie rating so it can reach broader public (it's a cause for celebration when a blockbuster gets an R rating).
Somehow right-wingers will consider everything except the most obvious reason for disparity in mass shootings between US and rest of the world ... guns.
So the only thing we should be discussing about Bill Maher is if the hypocrisy of that take outweigh the stupidity. How can you in the same breath rail against cancel culture and also want to cancel violence in movies. How can you cry about 'woke culture' and 'feminization' but also cry about toxic masculinity of action heroes.
This is just so dumb on so many levels.
The Devil's Advocate
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Nah I don't take discussion as any type of disrespect. Sometimes I don't see the full picture so it's good to get other angles.
That being said, I was never taking it as deep as Bill did. I know the real problem is the gun laws. There is not a single thing that we can do, that is going to change anything, if we don't start with the law. Period. I also don't think some innocent kid is going to watch adult movies and go out and shoot up somebody. I am that kid. I grew up on 80s/90s, over the top action and I'm still alive for "realistic" action, and I've never shot anybody. The majority of movie goers don't shoot anything up. The ratio is a billion to one...
I was focusing more on the point that, "yea hollywood does have something to say about EVERYTHING except guns and violence." and also "I wonder if we'd all want these high powered guns, if they weren't romanticized in hollywood."
Nah this isn't actually going to fix anything. Adults won't stop buying available guns, if only happy shyt was on tv 24/7... But I do think that we wouldn't love them AS MUCH. Only reason I want a samurai sword is from movies... If I never saw them look cool in movies, there is no way I'd ever buy one, making up excuses like I need it for protection. I might buy a gun for the house. But I don't think I'd have 15 guns because "someone might break in" if I didn't see 12 of them in a movie or an IG of a guy who saw it in a movie.
But that's just me. There were gun nuts and gun shows in the 1800s. So it's all up for debate. I'm kinda surprised it went this long too but we see how polarizing guns are.
The Devil's Advocate
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venge·ance - punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong.
Ehhhhhh most shootings are vengeance.. We as normal people, don't agree with the logic behind their "wrong".. But the shootings are definitely payback for what they felt they were wronged by... Lets take a look..
Uvalde.. Guy wanted payback for how he was teased for dressing like a woman.. The kids didn't tease him, but he wanted to hurt someone for the way he was "wrong" by being bullied.
Buffalo.. This man thought black people were actively eliminating his race from the planet with that white replacement bullshyt. So he was going to grab a gun, get armored up and get payback by killing us one by one. He wanted vengeance because his race was being "wronged" in his eyes
Vegas... We have no idea cause this guy didn't say shyt..
Columbine - bullied/wronged
Dylan Roof - said he wanted to kill blacks at that church "because black people rape white women every day"
Orlando Nightclub - Wrote he wanted vengeance (yes he used the word) for middle east bombings.. But others thought he was secretly gay and wanted to lash out after being rejected.. Both are vengeance
VA tech shooter - Wrote that the columbine shooters were martyrs. he wanted payback from the rich
2019 el paso shooter - another replacement theory shooter
I could go on but it's rare that a shooter is just batshyt crazy and shooting for no reason.. THEY usually have a reason made up and it's usually about revenge for wrong done
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Everything you wrote here is of batshyt crazy people.
Like I said earlier, you and Maher are lazy thinkers Who chase the low dangling carrot because you are scared of the bigger picture.