Big Face Culture: Miami Heat 2023-2024 season thread

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Tyler been trying with all the shots he been taking to take these games over thing is everything is jumper
He don't have the attack the basket get dudes is foul trouble go to the free throw line type of game it's a steady diet of jumpers/3s

This team has had the same problem for essentially a decade now where everyone is being asked to occupy at least 1 step higher in the scoring column than they should. Jimmy, Herro, and Bam are ideally 2-4 scorers who are being asked to be the 1-3 scorers while the team doesn’t have a point guard who can create good looks for his teammates inside the arc at will. None of them can really fly past the defense and consistently get into the paint as you mentioned to get to the line either. This is another issue I’ve noticed and it gets worse as the game goes on.

They settle for a lot of 3’s and a lot of them are open, but they keep shooting them even when they’re cold and need to go to the rim but settle for said jumpers because they don’t really have anyone who can wreak havoc in the paint. Bam settles for so many 6-10 foot jumpers in particular.


This is the drawback to basketball . If you put together a championship caliber supporting cast it’s damn near impossible to get the star who can take them to the top and this isn’t the early to mid 2000’s anymore where a team like the go to work era pistons were able to contend despite having a bad offense regularly (not that this team has anyone quite like Ben Wallace on defense all due respect to Bam). Once it became clear Portland’s GM wasn’t willing to trade him here under any circumstances Pat needed to move on and go after Harden. Yeah he’d have been a major risk but the team badly needed someone who can do the things he does.

 

[Green Ranger]

Jaquez looks so muc hbetter when he's not being force to just chill in the corner

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

So do these games count towards the record on the 82 game season? What exactly is at stake for this tournament? What’s the point of the whole thing?

 

[Green Ranger]

So do these games count towards the record on the 82 game season? What exactly is at stake for this tournament? What’s the point of the whole thing?

NBA In-Season Tournament: Key dates & schedule

The NBA In-Season Tournament will begin with group play on Tuesdays and Fridays in November.

www.nba.com

They are regular season games
500K for every player & head coaches team who win
MVP & All tourney honors

 

[Green Ranger]

this team was blowing out the Wizards & started getting cute & trying to get Tyler his triple double
same stupid turnovers we been seeing from this team

 

[WaddupDoe!]

We ain't doing shyt this year. Every offensive possession is Herro or bust. Until we find an offensive flow we will always let teams back into the game.

Better hope Pat can at least do something before the trade deadline. We let's a Washington team that is trash hang around.

 

[madness]

This team has had the same problem for essentially a decade now where everyone is being asked to occupy at least 1 step higher in the scoring column than they should. Jimmy, Herro, and Bam are ideally 2-4 scorers who are being asked to be the 1-3 scorers while the team doesn’t have a point guard who can create good looks for his teammates inside the arc at will. None of them can really fly past the defense and consistently get into the paint as you mentioned to get to the line either. This is another issue I’ve noticed and it gets worse as the game goes on.

They settle for a lot of 3’s and a lot of them are open, but they keep shooting them even when they’re cold and need to go to the rim but settle for said jumpers because they don’t really have anyone who can wreak havoc in the paint. Bam settles for so many 6-10 foot jumpers in particular.


This is the drawback to basketball . If you put together a championship caliber supporting cast it’s damn near impossible to get the star who can take them to the top and this isn’t the early to mid 2000’s anymore where a team like the go to work era pistons were able to contend despite having a bad offense regularly (not that this team has anyone quite like Ben Wallace on defense all due respect to Bam). Once it became clear Portland’s GM wasn’t willing to trade him here under any circumstances Pat needed to move on and go after Harden. Yeah he’d have been a major risk but the team badly needed someone who can do the things he does.

We ain't doing shyt this year. Every offensive possession is Herro or bust. Until we find an offensive flow we will always let teams back into the game.

Better hope Pat can at least do something before the trade deadline. We let's a Washington team that is trash hang around.

There’s an article on one of the Heat fan sites that addresses the issues on offense:


But there’s also an underlying issue, and that’s the lack of a go-to scoring weapon. Think of the most successful teams in the league and what they do when they need a bucket. The Warriors go to the Steph Curry-Draymond Green two-man game. The Lakers run a pick-and-roll between LeBron James and Anthony Davis. The Nuggets have Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray.

What’s the Heat’s go-to option? In the playoffs, they would give it to Jimmy Butler in the post. But Butler’s struggles and newly-cropped-up knee tendinitis have drained him of those postseason powers. Lately, they’ve asked Tyler Herro to bail them out. As well as Herro has played, that’s not a strategy that forces defenses to react and make mistakes. Herro and Butler have never figured out how to play off each other. This isn’t new. Last season, the Heat had the eighth-worst net rating in the second half.

There are a lot of reasons for Miami’s issues in the second half, but the main culprit is a roster lacking in top-end talent and whose best two scorers don’t complement each other at all.

This is the question Spoelstra and his staff will be asking themselves over the next several days. Miami’s offense ranks 24th in efficiency. It ranked 25th last regular season. Unlike last season, though, the reason isn’t primarily shooting. After struggling to make 3s most of last season, the Heat are making 37.6% of their 3s this season (the eighth-best mark in the league). Part of the problem is that they are only getting up 33 3-point attempts per game when they need to put up closer to 40. Who takes those shots? Herro and Robinson need to combine for at least 20 3-point attempts for the Heat to even sniff 40 as a team. Through five games, they average 15.6.

Beyond the 3-point shooting volume, the Heat aren’t getting to the rim. They are attempting the third-fewest shots at the basket in the league and converting them at the sixth-worst clip (60.4% in the restricted area).

Instead, the Heat are putting up most of their shots in the non-restricted area and midrange. No team takes more shots from these two areas combined than the Heat, who are attempting 36.8 shots from the area of the floor considered the least-efficient shot in basketball — a long 2-pointer.

Think about the sweet spots for Miami’s top three scorers: Adebayo’s free-throw line jumper, Herro’s off-the-dribble mid-range jumper, Butler’s leaner in the paint. All of them fall into this long 2-pointer category. No one gets to the basket like Giannis or sinks 3s like Steph Curry. That means putting together an efficient offense is nearly impossible.

To break this down in analytic terms, let’s say the Heat made 50% of their midrange shots on 100 possessions (So, basically, everyone draining midrange jumpers like prime Michael Jordan). That would be 50 made 2-pointers, or 100 points.

Here’s the formula to calculate offensive rating:

ORTG = 100 * [(Points)/(Poss)]

ORTG = 100* [100/100]

ORTG = 100.0

An offensive rating of 100.0 would rank dead last for every season since 2016, and that’s with the whole team shooting like Michael Jordan on long 2s for 100 straight possessions! That’s because shooting 50% from that range is considered elite, while shooting 50% at the basket is considered very bad. Guess what, both shots still count for two points.

The Heat’s best players are all trying to score like Michael Jordan and, even when they do, it doesn’t result in efficient offense. The Heat need to mix in more shots at the basket and from beyond the 3-point line. Right now, they are doing neither at a high enough level.

Burning Questions: Diagnosing the Miami Heat’s scoring issues

In this week's Burning Questions column, we explore the issues with the Miami Heat's offense and reasons for their late-game struggles.

allucanheat.com

 

[madness]

Better hope Pat can at least do something before the trade deadline. We let's a Washington team that is trash hang around.

As we’ve covered, there is a roster construction problem here. The only logical thing to do is to mix it up. The problem is that (a.) the Heat tried to make a big trade in the offseason but failed, (b.) there isn’t a free agent available to fix this issue, and, (c.) making a trade this early in the season is difficult.

The Heat need another team to conclude that changes need to be made, and for that team to also have what Miami needs. Rarely are teams ready to make a trade less than a month into the season (unless James Harden is involved, evidently). The trade deadline is in February. Perhaps something can be done closer to then.

For now, the Heat are stuck with the same problems they had last season.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

As we’ve covered, there is a roster construction problem here. The only logical thing to do is to mix it up. The problem is that (a.) the Heat tried to make a big trade in the offseason but failed, (b.) there isn’t a free agent available to fix this issue, and, (c.) making a trade this early in the season is difficult.

The Heat need another team to conclude that changes need to be made, and for that team to also have what Miami needs. Rarely are teams ready to make a trade less than a month into the season (unless James Harden is involved, evidently). The trade deadline is in February. Perhaps something can be done closer to then.

For now, the Heat are stuck with the same problems they had last season.

There’s an article on one of the Heat fan sites that addresses the issues on offense:


But there’s also an underlying issue, and that’s the lack of a go-to scoring weapon. Think of the most successful teams in the league and what they do when they need a bucket. The Warriors go to the Steph Curry-Draymond Green two-man game. The Lakers run a pick-and-roll between LeBron James and Anthony Davis. The Nuggets have Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray.

What’s the Heat’s go-to option? In the playoffs, they would give it to Jimmy Butler in the post. But Butler’s struggles and newly-cropped-up knee tendinitis have drained him of those postseason powers. Lately, they’ve asked Tyler Herro to bail them out. As well as Herro has played, that’s not a strategy that forces defenses to react and make mistakes. Herro and Butler have never figured out how to play off each other. This isn’t new. Last season, the Heat had the eighth-worst net rating in the second half.

There are a lot of reasons for Miami’s issues in the second half, but the main culprit is a roster lacking in top-end talent and whose best two scorers don’t complement each other at all.

This is the question Spoelstra and his staff will be asking themselves over the next several days. Miami’s offense ranks 24th in efficiency. It ranked 25th last regular season. Unlike last season, though, the reason isn’t primarily shooting. After struggling to make 3s most of last season, the Heat are making 37.6% of their 3s this season (the eighth-best mark in the league). Part of the problem is that they are only getting up 33 3-point attempts per game when they need to put up closer to 40. Who takes those shots? Herro and Robinson need to combine for at least 20 3-point attempts for the Heat to even sniff 40 as a team. Through five games, they average 15.6.

Beyond the 3-point shooting volume, the Heat aren’t getting to the rim. They are attempting the third-fewest shots at the basket in the league and converting them at the sixth-worst clip (60.4% in the restricted area).

Instead, the Heat are putting up most of their shots in the non-restricted area and midrange. No team takes more shots from these two areas combined than the Heat, who are attempting 36.8 shots from the area of the floor considered the least-efficient shot in basketball — a long 2-pointer.

Think about the sweet spots for Miami’s top three scorers: Adebayo’s free-throw line jumper, Herro’s off-the-dribble mid-range jumper, Butler’s leaner in the paint. All of them fall into this long 2-pointer category. No one gets to the basket like Giannis or sinks 3s like Steph Curry. That means putting together an efficient offense is nearly impossible.

To break this down in analytic terms, let’s say the Heat made 50% of their midrange shots on 100 possessions (So, basically, everyone draining midrange jumpers like prime Michael Jordan). That would be 50 made 2-pointers, or 100 points.

Here’s the formula to calculate offensive rating:

ORTG = 100 * [(Points)/(Poss)]

ORTG = 100* [100/100]

ORTG = 100.0

An offensive rating of 100.0 would rank dead last for every season since 2016, and that’s with the whole team shooting like Michael Jordan on long 2s for 100 straight possessions! That’s because shooting 50% from that range is considered elite, while shooting 50% at the basket is considered very bad. Guess what, both shots still count for two points.

The Heat’s best players are all trying to score like Michael Jordan and, even when they do, it doesn’t result in efficient offense. The Heat need to mix in more shots at the basket and from beyond the 3-point line. Right now, they are doing neither at a high enough level.

Burning Questions: Diagnosing the Miami Heat’s scoring issues

In this week's Burning Questions column, we explore the issues with the Miami Heat's offense and reasons for their late-game struggles.

allucanheat.com

Another reason they desperately need a point guard. Their top 2 players (Jimmy and Bam) are either bad 3 point shooters or just don’t take them. This shyt kills their interior spacing and Jimmy is asked to create off the dribble from a dead stop when he doesn’t have the first step to collapse the entire defense like a true #1 scorer needs to be able to. A great point guard would be able to get them the ball on the move maybe cutting or rolling to the rim off screens. I just hope Pat can find that guy before Jimmy is cooked. Bam developing a 3 point shot would go a long way too. I know it mentions Jimmy and Herro as not being great fits together, but the 2 of them and Bam as a trio aren’t a great fit either. I missed a lot of 2021-22 but I wonder if all of them missing 15+ games played a role in the offense being good on top of Lowry not being as washed up as he is now.



They badly need a guy who can get a highly efficient 25+ a night. Going back to 2008-09 there’s only been 1 champion (the 2013-14 spurs) whose leading scorer got less than 23 per game. Herro hasn’t scored higher than I think 20.7 per game and Jimmy has crossed 23 per game once in his career.

 

[WaddupDoe!]

As we’ve covered, there is a roster construction problem here. The only logical thing to do is to mix it up. The problem is that (a.) the Heat tried to make a big trade in the offseason but failed, (b.) there isn’t a free agent available to fix this issue, and, (c.) making a trade this early in the season is difficult.

The Heat need another team to conclude that changes need to be made, and for that team to also have what Miami needs. Rarely are teams ready to make a trade less than a month into the season (unless James Harden is involved, evidently). The trade deadline is in February. Perhaps something can be done closer to then.

For now, the Heat are stuck with the same problems they had last season.

I agree. & that is why I have a love hate problem towards Pat. You love that he always wants to go get a whale. But you hate how he waits to long to finally be like fukk it other moves have to be made.

If there is one team that might be sellers soon is the bulls. I think Pat has to find a way to get a Lavine. Hell maybe even a Carruso if he can. I know everyone thinks Jimmy is happy but honestly I think he is a little mad that improvements weren't made.

 

[intruder]

I dont know how high of a ceiling he has but I like the Jaquez kid a lot so far. And you can tell he's won Spo over as Spo is playing him heavy minutes in 4th quarter of a close game.

And dude don’t look scared of the moment. Bullying folks on hood way to the basket and all

 

[Green Ranger]

This fourth quarter offense is horrible Spo got to get this shyt together they shouldn't look this lost on offense

 

[TheGregReaper]

That wasn’t a satisfying win.

 

[iamduval]

Spo’s love affair with Josh Richardson has to end soon

 

[Primetime21]

the team will be fine, early overreactions as usual