Big Daddy Kane = Most Overrated Rapper Ever

[smokeurobinson]

I disagree.....Taste Of Chocolate had 2 weak songs and OP uses one of the 2 to disregard the greatness of Taste Of Chocolate.....also...Looks Like A Job For......was sickness....it was Kanes last great album and it was so slept on.......I cant agree with OP just based off of his poor examples.

 

[Rakim Allah]

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I disagree.....Taste Of Chocolate had 2 weak songs and OP uses one of the 2 to disregard the greatness of Taste Of Chocolate.....also...Looks Like A Job For......was sickness....it was Kanes last great album and it was so slept on.......I cant agree with OP just based off of his poor examples.

I remember being disappointed in TOC when it came out because it wasn't as good as the first 2 albums, but it was still a damn good album. It had one of Kane's best songs ever..

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Still waiting on that BDK & ALC album

 

[Piff Perkins]

Rap wise he never fell off. The problem is that he he didn't have decent production after his first two albums. Rakim had similar issues in the 90s, but at least he had already dropped 3-4 classic albums with Eric B (well, Marly Marl). He ruined his career with stupid shyt like the Barry White track.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Rap wise he never fell off. The problem is that he he didn't have decent production after his first two albums. Rakim had similar issues in the 90s, but at least he had already dropped 3-4 classic albums with Eric B (well, Marly Marl). He ruined his career with stupid shyt like the Barry White track.

Rakim didn't start having production problems until 99 with The Master.

 

[THE K-MAN]

@ Kane being overrated

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I respect the OP for supporting his claim

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I've actually given this a lot of thought over the years...we don't actually judge rappers from different eras by the same standards...as much is made about how hip hop fans don't appreciate it's early legends, i think they're without question disproportionately revered all things considered compared to more contemporary acts...prior to the mid-late 90's the hallowed names from "back in the day" , if you will, pretty much are only judged by their peak-prime years...just as a thought exercise, consider how bdk or rakim are looked at from an all time perspective compared to a dmx ...i picked X because he's modern enough to show the difference of perception, but far enough removed from his run of relevance to be looked back with nostalgic respect...relatively speaking, X held a similar spot as a top guy in rap as Kane did during his couple year run...but X's lack of longevity and his decline in more recent years far as interest in his projects are held against him and his legacy way more so than is the case for cats like BDK...the only way modern rappers can get that same type of reverence, where they're judged pretty much entirely by their best prime years in perpetuity, is to die during their peak...now this is because the late 80's were transformative years in hip hop, acts like Kane and Rakim are heralded as they are for pretty much being the bridge transitioning from "old school" to modern rap styles...so that always has be taken into account...but it basically comes down to Kane's only really overrated if you try to judge him in the same way and by the same standards we judge rappers today...and nobody really typically does that

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

the most overrated rapper of all times is none other than naSir Jones

I thought you were only shytting on nas' illmatic but was willing to admit he's a good rapper, your trolling game is a little bit confused ain't it ?

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I thought you were only shytting on nas' illmatic but was willing to admit he's a good rapper, your trolling game is a little bit confused ain't it ?

No, illmatic is a terrible album, possibly naS worst. IWW was a great album, truly stands out from naS other albums. He IS a great story teller, if he ONLY made story telling tracks (and not the gimmicky ones like Rewind) and the occasional song like 2nd Childhood, Book of Rhymes, etc then I couldnt even front on him. But illmatic asside, nearly every track on I Am was trash, naStrodamus was trash, so on and so forth.

So I am clear, naS is not a good rapper. He is a great storyteller and not much else.

 

[FreshAIG]

I've actually given this a lot of thought over the years...we don't actually judge rappers from different eras by the same standards...as much is made about how hip hop fans don't appreciate it's early legends, i think they're without question disproportionately revered all things considered compared to more contemporary acts...prior to the mid-late 90's the hallowed names from "back in the day" , if you will, pretty much are only judged by their peak-prime years...just as a thought exercise, consider how bdk or rakim are looked at from an all time perspective compared to a dmx ...i picked X because he's modern enough to show the difference of perception, but far enough removed from his run of relevance to be looked back with nostalgic respect...relatively speaking, X held a similar spot as a top guy in rap as Kane did during his couple year run...but X's lack of longevity and his decline in more recent years far as interest in his projects are held against him and his legacy way more so than is the case for cats like BDK...the only way modern rappers can get that same type of reverence, where they're judged pretty much entirely by their best prime years in perpetuity, is to die during their peak...now this is because the late 80's were transformative years in hip hop, acts like Kane and Rakim are heralded as they are for pretty much being the bridge transitioning from "old school" to modern rap styles...so that always has be taken into account...but it basically comes down to Kane's only really overrated if you try to judge him in the same way and by the same standards we judge rappers today...and nobody really typically does that

There's a lot of factors to this, and you touched on one. It was the formative years of rap, so reigning supreme for 3-5 years doing that era holds a lot more weight than it would in this era. Whenever you're one of the forefather of something and helped lay the foundation of a majority of respected artists, and some these artists are ones that have actually been able to advance the culture even further, came up listening to you as their idol, over the years, and were their influence growing up, that means so much more than say a Lil Wayne who had a hell of a run, but didn't have as big an impact on respected and revered artists. Now, that can also be considered unfair because Wayne's reign maybe hasn't been removed long enough to see the fruits of it be displayed in another artist that turns out to be a legend, so we'll wait and see.

Another reason is because of bias. We all tend to lean towards artists that we grew up listening to in our early years as being superior and also tend to ignore a lot of their faults and missteps. Just as there's kids who are 20 now will tell you Drake is the best rapper ever and think Ice Cube is an actor and laugh at the notion of anyone thinking he's on Drake level, just because of how they were exposed to him originally. They grew up seeing Ice Cube as the comedy movie dad, friend, cop etc...who used to rap back in the day, but isn't really known as a legend in that field to younger kids. They don't respect him in that light, because they're not familiar with his history.

Perspective is such a funny thing.

 

[Droopy]

 

[W.I.Z.E.]

There's a lot of factors to this, and you touched on one. It was the formative years of rap, so reigning supreme for 3-5 years doing that era holds a lot more weight than it would in this era. Whenever you're one of the forefather of something and helped lay the foundation of a majority of respected artists, and some these artists are ones that have actually been able to advance the culture even further, came up listening to you as their idol, over the years, and were their influence growing up, that means so much more than say a Lil Wayne who had a hell of a run, but didn't have as big an impact on respected and revered artists. Now, that can also be considered unfair because Wayne's reign maybe hasn't been removed long enough to see the fruits of it be displayed in another artist that turns out to be a legend, so we'll wait and see.

Another reason is because of bias. We all tend to lean towards artists that we grew up listening to in our early years as being superior and also tend to ignore a lot of their faults and missteps. Just as there's kids who are 20 now will tell you Drake is the best rapper ever and think Ice Cube is an actor and laugh at the notion of anyone thinking he's on Drake level, just because of how they were exposed to him originally. They grew up seeing Ice Cube as the comedy movie dad, friend, cop etc...who used to rap back in the day, but isn't really known as a legend in that field to younger kids. They don't respect him in that light, because they're not familiar with his history.

Perspective is such a funny thing.

This is a big part of my point. I grew up during the Kane era but really had to challenge the notion of him being a top 5 emcee. Has he had a helluva impact? No question. But when we measure who is the greatest, in most walks of life, we look at quality x period of time.

It wud be like Jordan averaging 30+ his first few yrs in the league, and winning the championship and then the other 10 years he averaged 20+. Sure that's really good, but it wud pale in comparison to Bill Russsel, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant.

 

[steadyrighteous]

HIlarious.

I just finished a weekend of listening to every Eric B & Rakim album back to back followed by every BDK.

He's right when he says there's a solid 3 albums or so where there are only 4 or 5 truly good songs combined as opposed to EB & R where there's greatness on each album.

There's no doubting Kane's lyrical ability, but there's MAJOR lulls in quality in some of his albums.

 

[The Ruler 09]

You can't compare DMX to Big Daddy Kane, as good as DMX is he's not on Kane's level.

 

[mobbinfms]

OP has a great point but ruined it with the controversial thread title.[DOUBLEPOST=1397395950][/DOUBLEPOST]Also - Kane has at least 5 undeniable classic songs. He's a legend and can be ranked as high as anyone would want to rank him. And it's unfair to compare him to DMX. X became an embarrassing crackhead, Kane just fell off.