SwizzLake said:
How? Islam's whole premise is to worship Allah alone with no partners aka no sons or holy spirits. That means it contradicts Christianity.
The different sects of Islam came to be for a variety of reasons, but not one sect wanted to change the Quran.
Allah raised Prophet Esa PBUH from the Earth before he got crucified because Allah wasn't going to allow another Prophet to be killed by the Children of Israel
Anhur said:
How? Islam's whole premise is to worship Allah alone with no partners aka no sons or holy spirits. That means it contradicts Christianity.
From Adam to John the Baptist, the message was the same. Worship the one true God.
There was only one aberration in that whole line which was Jesus (he's not an aberration for us since he continued that message of only one God) who allegedly said he was the son of God.
After that "aberration", Prophet Muhammed came and continued the same message.
The different sects of Islam came to be for a variety of reasons, but not one sect wanted to change the Quran.
For example, Shias and Sunnis diverged because the Shias wanted Ali (cousin of Prophet Muhammad) to be the first Caliph of Islam while the Sunnis chose Abu Bakr because that was the wish of the Prophet.
I'm sure some individuals wanted to alter the Quran but they would be considered heretics.
I guess you could consider that the sword, but we take keeping the Quran authentic very seriously.
Allah raised Prophet Esa PBUH from the Earth before he got crucified because Allah wasn't going to allow another Prophet to be killed by the Children of Israel
and that to be crucified, one must be naked, so Allah protected Prophet Esa, son of Mary, from being embarrassed and exposed.
We don't even believe Prophet Esa PBUH died. We believe he's still alive in the heavens and will return once more, kill the anti-Christ and eventually die on the Earth as Allah has said, "every soul shall taste death."[3:185]
Surah Nisa [4:157-159]
And for their saying, "Surely we killed the Masih, Isa son of Maryam, (The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary) the Messenger of Allah." And in no way did they kill him, and in no way did they crucify him, but a resemblance of him was presented to them (i.e. the matter was made obscure for them through mutual resemblance). And surely the ones who differed about him are indeed in doubt about him. (Or: it, "that") In no way do they have any knowledge about him except the close following of surmise, and in no way did they kill him of a certainty. No indeed, Allah raised him up to Him; and Allah has been Ever-Mighty, Ever-Wise. And decidedly there is not one of the population of the Book (Or: Family of the Book, i.e., the Jews and Christians) but will indeed definitely believe in him before his death, and on the Day of the Resurrection he will be a witness against them.
How? It is against both Judaism and Islam to worship Allah with partners (Jesus and the Holy Spirit).
I agree. Our understanding of Christ and sin differs. In Islam, sin forgiveness doesn't require blood or sacrifice but I think that's needed in Christianity hence, Jesus sacrificing himself for humanity.
Hey breh, I thought Abel gave his best lamb/livestock while Cain gave his worst vegetables?
Where did that lie start? Because I'm sure I've heard Christians say that sin can only be cleansed through blood or something to that effect.Psalm 50:7-15
the belief that God demands sacrifice is a generations old satanic lie perpetrated by you know who...
while I am not a muslim in doctrine I do believe in submission to God....I will not tell you to believe what I believe but I will tell you that blessed is he who meditates on the word with a clean heart and mind.Hey breh, I thought Abel gave his best lamb/livestock while Cain gave his worst vegetables?
That's how it's taught in Islam
Where did that lie start? Because I'm sure I've heard Christians say that sin can only be cleansed through blood or something to that effect.
Which was the reason that Christ had to sacrifice himself instead of just saving humanity outright.
Anhur said:
Jewish people would never accept God revealing himself to another nation. Jesus himself sprang forth from among them. Islam had no connection whatsoever to Judaism and Christianity.
If the argument by Rabbis is that Islam appears to be monotheistic because they don't understand Christianity. I'll accept that.
But what Rabbis and what most Muslims seem to not understand is that Islam, is in fact, not monotheistic, having incorporated many of the pagan beliefs that it sprang forth from, and I'll provide evidence of that if you like?
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If that be the case, explain Exodus 37:7 as it details the making of the Ark of the Covenant.
God had just given them the ten commandments and in the same breath they are fashioning the ark with gold cherubim.
You should go back and revisit the ten commandments because there is context there that you obviously seem to be missing.
Breh, you just answered your own question here.
It's like Muslims get into this very linear way of thinking and can't make connections.
You couldn't connect humans freedom of choice to the list of human events that you had just previously listed? And that God being all knowing having nothing to do with that?
What does omniscience have to do with this? There is an idea called progressive revelation. That throughout the history of the Jews, God reveals more things about the nature of himself to them.
That has nothing to do with his own omniscience.
Again, nothing to do with omniscience. You answer your own question here:
And he allowed Jesus to be killed so why are other prophets being killed that much more significant?
Unfortunately, the history of scripture shows something different. When the Jews were rebellious, God would send a prophet to return the Jews to him, because HE remembered the covenant that he made with their ancestors.
There is no illustration whatsoever, of when the Jews rebelled, or killed prophets, God leaving them and giving revelation and speaking to their neighbors.
Islam claiming that God abandoned the Jews for some other unrelated pagan group, who he did not prime to be a holy nation, is just so far out in left field.
Remember, the Jews had to go through a process to make themselves holy and distinct from the other nations so that God would come among them. To think he would just leave them for a pagan group without putting them through the same process of making themselves holy invalidates Islam in and of itself.
It proves further validity.
The difference between only one man saying he encountered aliens that had green eyes and red hair.
And multiple people across different time periods, different ages, different stations in life saying they encountered aliens with green eyes and red hair.
You're more willing to believe the multiple accounts over just the one.
This is common sense.
It also means that one author, one revelation, one interpretation puts too much power in one man's hands which increases the level manipulation and abuse of power. Which is why this is one of the characteristics of cults.
Look at Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Charles Applewhite, David Korsh. They all share similarities with Muhammad.
This sounds like what was happening to the Koran.
Stop the cap. Judaism doesn't believe in the Trinity. Jews believe in God alone. They don't even accept Jesus.Neither Jesus nor the 'Holy Spirit' are partners to YHWH.
Like I said, the author of the Quran doesn't even know what Christians OR Jews believed as the 'Trinity' comes from Orthodox Judaism and the Old Testament.....
This book explains the misunderstanding you, the Quran, and every Muslim/Unitarian using that argument, are having.
Breh, if he don’t get after reading all this. I don’t know what more it’ll take
maybe it’ll hit him later
you can keep arguing for the sake of arguing though. It’s entertaining
Anhur said:
Stop the cap. Judaism doesn't believe in the Trinity. Jews believe in God alone. They don't even accept Jesus.
Secondly, God having a son is not a monotheistic concept. That's what polytheists believe. Zeus, Ra, and Odin all have sons and they're all false gods.
Jesus also has a birthdate and a death date which further disqualifies him from being a God since some of God's attributes are, The First, The Last, and The Eternal.
Jesus also lacked omniscience which is further proof of his lack of divinity.
Jesus also didn't consider himself the greatest which is another attribute of God.
So tell me again how associating a mortal who eats, sleeps, poos, and pees with God isn't polytheistic in nature.
Matthew 24:36
Speaking of His second coming, Jesus said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”
John 14:28
“the Father is greater than I”
Breh compared Prophet Muhammad PBUH to Charles Manson and David Korsh. That should tell you how full of holes his reasoning is.
None of those guys have a 2 billion strong following and neither established an empire during their lifetime.
Prophet Muhammad is considered the most influential human being in history. The only people that come close are Jesus and Adam (who birthed us all).
