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SwizzLake said:
Which version of the 30+ Arabic Qurans do YOU read?
Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18
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You're now reaching
. I challenge you to find two different versions of the Quran.Let's set aside the emotions though, we're challenging what you profess to be true and your Idea about Jesus in the Bible.
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MMS said:
No problem there. Authors, editors, and redactors often updated information for new readers/listeners or when locations' names changed over time.......and the texts encompass a very large amount of time.
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SwizzLake said:
No problem. Here's 26......
Don't be so pathetic and provide us with academic sources, instead of using hate mongers YouTube channels. It is easy to defeat these these idiots.
We're claiming that you're worshipping a man God created instead of his creator alone, and that you are in error, we are quoting directly from your Bible.
ThisIf yall grew up in east Asia you’d all be Buddhists or something and be ready to die over that just the same.
I can’t take any “religious” person seriously until they’ve openly studied something beyond what they’ve been indoctrinated with since birth.
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SwizzLake said:
No problem.....
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You're actually claiming that the 'Creator' could NOT become human...... which makes no sense given that you believe the 'Creator' is capable of 'all things'.
Quoting without proper context leads to eisegesis which is invalid for the purposes of interpretation.
The text is not 'mine'. it has been freely available for study, criticism, and rejection for thousands of years.
The text is not 'mine'. it has been freely available for study, criticism, and rejection for thousands of years.
You are missing very important details,the truth is right there for you
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
It shall come to pass means EVENTUALLY,he is saying eventually the time will come where he will require you to live righteously. Not that ONE prophet will be raised up who will teach,who will raise the conscience of people and then its all over. There will be many prophets who return to remind us of the truth and the laws we should be following. If this was not the case there would be no need to warn you of prophets who would speak out of turn,because the one he sent would be the ONLY who would do no wrong. If there was only going to be ONE prophet why would god say "even that prophet shall die",would he kill off the one and only prophet he's sending
? Many prophets will come to remind you of who you are and the laws. Many will be heard and ignored,many were heard and killed. Many will be prophets but will sell out. Prophets are sent to remind the people,so that people can spread the word to the next generation who will have their own influential prophets.
You all have the idea that prophets are meant to be successful at what they are doing lol. Was "Jesus" even succesful in reminding people of who they were and the laws?in his time he absolutely was not. Prophets are simply sent in preperation for the EVENTUAL.
Also I don't believe or disbelieve Jesus was an actual person,because that is not the important part of the story to begin with. He could have been a real person who was a prophet of his time. Frankly to me is purposely depicted as a ghost on a few occassion,as if the bible is trying to tell you this isn't a real person. But instead a fictional embodiment of the truth. But like I said,thats not really an important part of the bible,and Christians miss the message focusing on that.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
It shall come to pass means EVENTUALLY,he is saying eventually the time will come where he will require you to live righteously. Not that ONE prophet will be raised up who will teach,who will raise the conscience of people and then its all over. There will be many prophets who return to remind us of the truth and the laws we should be following. If this was not the case there would be no need to warn you of prophets who would speak out of turn,because the one he sent would be the ONLY who would do no wrong. If there was only going to be ONE prophet why would god say "even that prophet shall die",would he kill off the one and only prophet he's sending
? Many prophets will come to remind you of who you are and the laws. Many will be heard and ignored,many were heard and killed. Many will be prophets but will sell out. Prophets are sent to remind the people,so that people can spread the word to the next generation who will have their own influential prophets.You all have the idea that prophets are meant to be successful at what they are doing lol. Was "Jesus" even succesful in reminding people of who they were and the laws?in his time he absolutely was not. Prophets are simply sent in preperation for the EVENTUAL.
Also I don't believe or disbelieve Jesus was an actual person,because that is not the important part of the story to begin with. He could have been a real person who was a prophet of his time. Frankly to me is purposely depicted as a ghost on a few occassion,as if the bible is trying to tell you this isn't a real person. But instead a fictional embodiment of the truth. But like I said,thats not really an important part of the bible,and Christians miss the message focusing on that.
Again all your points are easily defeated, you run to YouTube to find any information that supports your bias without knowing the actual background of the information you're searching about. You can't explain the corruption of the Bible so you then run to discredit the Quran instead.
Here is a short video that refutes the silly video you posted:
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SwizzLake said:
That doesn't 'refute' what Dr. Brubaker said since he never makes the argument that the variants in early Quranic manuscripts show it wasn't preserved. Casting aspersions on his usage of Arabic is absurd.
Also, funny that you 'ran to YouTube' while criticizing someone of doing the same, but you went by the title rather than content.
Also, funny that you 'ran to YouTube' while criticizing someone of doing the same, but you went by the title rather than content.
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Use Brubaker that man you just learned about today after searching on YouTube after we exposed the truth to you, and provide us direct quotes from the Quran that you believe is "problematic" or is contradictory lol. We challenge you.
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SwizzLake said:
Known about him for a couple years through Michael Heiser, James, D. G. Dunn, Bart Ehrman, and a couple others.
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Surah 4:157-159
In the verse it mentions a Prophet like you (referring to Moses) from among their brethren. I don't think you disagree with that statement but there is a problem as many focus on the brethren part but not Moses.
Whoever it refers to must have the same qualities as Moses. Aaron was the younger brother of Moses which means they BOTH were from the tribe of Levi which were the PRIESTS.
Numbers 1:50-51 KJV
But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it: they shall bear the tabernacle, and all the vessels thereof; and they shall minister unto it, and shall encamp round about the tabernacle. [51] And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Mohammed was not a Priest. By default it was not referring to him. Whoever that verse refers to must be a Priest.
Hebrews 6:18-20 KJV
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: [19] Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; [20] Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Psalm 110:4-5 KJV
The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. [5] The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.