Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18

[MMS]

I figure God didn’t destroy Assyrians because it fit a larger purpose/prophecy in the Bible narrative. And a lesson to Jonah. Also God can do what he wants

And Id like to know @MMS theory as well and what he believes but he’ll never tell it but only post more scriptures

John 15:1-12

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

why ask me what I believe in?

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1 - Wikipedia

1 (one, also called unit, and unity) is a number and a numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. It represents a single entity, the unit of counting or measurement. For example, a line segment of unit length is a line segment of length 1. In conventions of sign where zero is considered neither positive nor negative, 1 is the first and smallest positive integer.[1] It is also sometimes considered the first of the infinite sequence of natural numbers, followed by 2, although by other definitions 1 is the second natural number, following 0.

The fundamental mathematical property of 1 is to be a multiplicative identity,[2] meaning that any number multiplied by 1 returns that number. Most if not all properties of 1 can be deduced from this. In advanced mathematics, a multiplicative identity is often denoted 1, even if it is not a number. 1 is by convention not considered a prime number; although universal today, this was a matter of some controversy until the mid-20th century.

Iunit - Wikipedia

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/40539374/

100 x 1 = 100 hits




Q - Wikipedia

The Semitic sound value of Qôp was /q/ (voiceless uvular stop), and the form of the letter could have been based on the eye of a needle, a knot, or even a monkey with its tail hanging down.[2][3][4] /q/ is a sound common to Semitic languages, but not found in many European languages.[a] Some have even suggested that the form of the letter Q is even more ancient: it could have originated from Egyptian hieroglyphics.[5][6]

In Greek, qoppa (Ϙ) probably came to represent several labialized velar stops, among them /kʷ/ and /kʷʰ/.[7] As a result of later sound shifts, these sounds in Greek changed to /p/ and /pʰ/ respectively.[8] Therefore, qoppa was transformed into two letters: qoppa, which stood for the number 90,[9] and phi (Φ), which stood for the aspirated sound /pʰ/ that came to be pronounced /f/ in Modern Greek.[10][11]

The Etruscans used Q in conjunction with V to represent /kʷ/, and this usage was copied by the Romans with the rest of their alphabet.[4] In the earliest Latin inscriptions, the letters C, K and Q were all used to represent the two sounds /k/ and /ɡ/, which were not differentiated in writing. Of these, Q was used before a rounded vowel (e.g. ⟨EQO⟩ 'ego'), K before /a/ (e.g. ⟨KALENDIS⟩ 'calendis'), and C elsewhere.[12] Later, the use of C (and its variant G) replaced most usages of K and Q: Q survived only to represent /k/ when immediately followed by a /w/ sound.[13]

Iah - Wikipedia

 

[MMS]

This is pretty interesting.

I have more than a passing familiarity with Egyptian antiquity as it was a hobby of mine when I was younger. I got to the point where I could read hieroglyphics almost fluently. That period phased out and I pretty much lost the ability now.

I typically don't bother with things that give off the appearance of conspiracy. But I looked at your first post and it seems legit from what I already know and also since you backed it up with references. I'm going to look through the whole thread when I get some time.

What is interesting to me is the fact that you posted references about Ptah being self-created. The thing about Egyptians is that they had a number of creation myths. Growing up, most of the resources that I came across said that Ra was self-created and was not beget by Ptah. So it's interesting to see some contention there.

Even more, I remember seeing that the god Atum (who would later be synergized with Ra) was actually the first god to arise out of the primordial mound. He is in fact identified with the primordial mound. But even with that, the primordial mound arisen out of the god Nun which was the eternal primordial waters. So it's really interesting how the Egyptian visualized creation. And even more, how it almost mirrors Judeo-Christian creation. Along with the cult of Aton that came about, and some of it's hymns that basically mirror some of the Psalms and it's close spelling with "Adonai", I've always wondered if the Egyptians had revelations of the Judeo-Christian God. They were certainly a "religious" centered people in a way that outdid most of the other classical nations of antiquity.

It's definitely fascinating.

It echos what some have observed about ancient mythology, that they are all telling the same story, they are all pointing to Truth, just within their own cultural context.

if god is indeed the most high and the source of all and the father of all that did not beget nor is begotten

then he must be eternal and cannot be influenced by the causalities of his creation

see my above post can you "think" without language?

Ptah is an Egyptian creator god who existed before all other things and, by his will, thought the world into existence. It was first conceived by Thought, and realized by the Word: Ptah conceives the world by the thought of his heart and gives life through the magic of his Word. That which Ptah commanded was created, with which the constituents of nature, fauna, and flora, are contained.

the name Ptah-tenen -> Tatenen (Father of the Risen Land) and Tanen -> Ptah-Nun (Father of Blackness). The Egyptians have quirk in the language that is obscuring the truth of the name Ptah

In the Third Intermediate Period hymn, The Great Hymn of Khnum, he is identified with the creator god Khnum, who created "all that is" on his potter's wheel.[5] This fortuity granted him the titles of both "creator and mother who gave birth to all gods" and "father of all the gods"

Egyptians believed in a trinity, Father Mother and Child that were in essence one in the same.

Most of the "names" are just deified explanations.

once you see it you cannot unsee it

that said...
you can make billions of names with just lines and curves
Fuxi - Wikipedia

In the beginning there was as yet no moral or social order. Men knew their mothers only, not their fathers. When hungry, they searched for food; when satisfied, they threw away the remnants. They devoured their food hide and hair, drank the blood, and clad themselves in skins and rushes. Then came Fu Xi and looked upward and contemplated the images in the heavens, and looked downward and contemplated the occurrences on earth. He united man and wife, regulated the five stages of change, and laid down the laws of humanity. He devised the eight trigrams, in order to gain mastery over the world.(古之時未有三綱、六紀，民人但知其母，不知其父，能覆前而不能覆後，臥之言去言去，起之吁吁，饑即求食，飽即棄余，茹毛飲血而衣皮葦。於是伏羲仰觀象於天，俯察法於地，因夫婦正五行，始定人道，畫八卦以治下。)

— Ban Gu, Bai Hu Tongyi[4]

The Figurists viewed Fuxi as Enoch, the Biblical patriarch.

 

[DoubleClutch]

if god is indeed the most high and the source of all and the father of all that did not beget nor is begotten

then he must be eternal and cannot be influenced by the causalities of his creation

see my above post can you "think" without language?



the name Ptah-Tatenen (Father of the Risen Land) and Ptah-Nun (Father of Blackness)



Egyptians believed in a trinity, Father Mother and Child that were in essence one in the same.

Most of the "names" are just deified explanations.

once you see it you cannot unsee it

that said...
you can make billions of names with just lines and curves
Fuxi - Wikipedia

Matthew 8:28-29

 

[MMS]

Matthew 8:28-29

that man is being worked on by God, he is realizing his logic means nothing compared to God who is the source of all logic, emotion, reality, etc

Matthew 8:30-34

30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.

34 And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts.

literal or allegorical swine

 

[MMS]

The Gospel According to Matthew 28

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.

12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,

13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.

14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.

15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Genesis 1:9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

is explaining the same thing @DoubleClutch

 

[DoubleClutch]

that man is being worked on by God, he is realizing his logic means nothing compared to God who is the source of all logic, emotion, reality, etc

Matthew 8:30-34



literal or allegorical swine

I dont think it’s so much him believing in God all of a sudden (since he’s a known atheist who is critical of religions) but him realizing Jesus as being that bridge which will lead him to believe in the God found in the Hebrew Bible narrative

Like Jesus says “the only way to the father is through me”

Jesus being a real human person who (as he claimed) God basically inserted into history starting a “New Testament/gospels” storyline which bridges that gap between the Objective and Narrative thinking and makes sense of it all.

Jesus basically breaks down the barriers of disbelief

and Jesus does it for Judaism in a way no other figure of any religion can claim.

Ancient Greek, Egyptian, Mayan, etc...religions are all based on mythical demi Gods/figures, whose Gods don’t exist (or aren’t relevant at least) to most people today in modern society and cannot be proven to exist not even by the people of the civilizations they originated

nobody really cares other than archeologists or historical scholars

Their religions writings and beliefs are merely stories and tales from the past foreign to us that although interesting to study and learn from, can’t be trusted or taken seriously as literal truth.

Noting different than maybe a comic book or comparable to a marvel movie.

nobody really believes in the the “marvel universe” or Batman and Gotham city even though the stories are known and loved and have some good messages and lessons learned.

same way nobody today really believes in Zeus, Thor or something crazy as a literal/historical Superman

but I bet if a flying Man wearing a cape crash landed on earth tomorrow saying he was from Krypton people would re evaluate all the Superman comics and everything in the DC comics

In the same way Jesus was a man who lived historically who said and did things that made (real) people believe the Bible stories and all the scriptures/prophets/kings as a reality not just some religious allegory, that was more spiritual or illusion than reality

If you believe in Jesus he validates the ancient Jewish religion beliefs, the children of Israel and proves the existence of God Yahweh

this would be especially true for those who actually saw Jesus.... since he actually existed.

At the very least Jesus makes it a lot harder to believe in any other religion logically other than Christianity/Judaism for us today

and it makes it very hard to not believe in the God of Jesus

and I think that’s what the guy is struggling with in the video. he’s not struggling with the concept of “is there a God” but “if Jesus is real then what does this mean about God”.

That’s why so many other religions to come after Christianity attack the historical Jesus or his teachings..... not mythological people like Isis, Osirus, Zeus, etc.... even Buddha and their religions.

 

[MMS]

I dont think it’s so much him believing in God all of a sudden (since he’s a known atheist who is critical of religions) but him realizing Jesus as being that bridge which will lead him to believe in the God found in the Hebrew Bible narrative

Like Jesus says “the only way to the father is through me”

Jesus being a real human person who (as he claimed) God basically inserted into history starting a “New Testament/gospels” storyline which bridges that gap between the Objective and Narrative thinking and makes sense of it all.

Jesus basically breaks down the barriers of disbelief

and Jesus does it for Judaism in a way no other figure of any religion can claim.

Ancient Greek, Egyptian, Mayan, etc...religions are all based on mythical demi Gods/figures, whose Gods don’t exist (or aren’t relevant at least) to most people today in modern society and cannot be proven to exist not even by the people of the civilizations they originated

nobody really cares other than archeologists or historical scholars

Their religions writings and beliefs are merely stories and tales from the past foreign to us that although interesting to study and learn from, can’t be trusted or taken seriously as literal truth.

Noting different than maybe a comic book or comparable to a marvel movie.

nobody really believes in the the “marvel universe” or Batman and Gotham city even though the stories are known and loved and have some good messages and lessons learned.

same way nobody today really believes in Zeus, Thor or something crazy as a literal/historical Superman

but I bet if a flying Man wearing a cape crash landed on earth tomorrow saying he was from Krypton people would re evaluate all the Superman comics and everything in the DC comics

In the same way Jesus was a man who lived historically who said and did things that made (real) people believe the Bible stories and all the scriptures/prophets/kings as a reality not just some religious allegory, that was more spiritual or illusion than reality

If you believe in Jesus he validates the ancient Jewish religion beliefs, the children of Israel and proves the existence of God Yahweh

this would be especially true for those who actually saw Jesus.... since he actually existed.

At the very least Jesus makes it a lot harder to believe in any other religion logically other than Christianity/Judaism for us today

and it makes it very hard to not believe in the God of Jesus

and I think that’s what the guy is struggling with in the video. he’s not struggling with the concept of “is there a God” but “if Jesus is real then what does this mean about God”.

That’s why so many other religions to come after Christianity attack the historical Jesus or his teachings..... not mythological people like Isis, Osirus, Zeus, etc.... even Buddha and their religions.

Yahweh is the false deity of the OId Testament known as Moloch who required child sacrifice

If you follow along in the Isaiah thread I have alluded to that subtly via the b*stardization of Egyptian crude text that apparently happened during the time of Moses.

that said, the stories of the old "polytheistic" religions are NOT like Marvel at all...they take a giant and I mean giant leap of faith to understand what is happening (remember Genesis 1 that all things are declared and the world is without end...). The reason you equate these two is because of Phoenicians (Canaanites/"Jews") version of storytelling and what they believe the "voice" of God is. Even now the very elect are deceived because of this (remember why Jesus says "I am the true vine"....there are many vines in the Bible my friend)

IE

Lets dissect Perseus freeing Andromeda

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In Greek mythology Andromeda is the daughter of Cepheus and Cassiopeia, king and queen of ancient Ethiopia. Her mother Cassiopeia foolishly boasts that she is more beautiful than the Nereids,[3][4] a display of hubris by a human that is unacceptable to the gods. To punish the queen for her arrogance, Poseidon floods the Ethiopian coast and sends a sea monster named Cetus to ravage the kingdom's inhabitants. In desperation, King Cepheus consults the oracle of Ammon, who announces that no respite can be found until the king sacrifices his daughter, Andromeda, to the monster. She is thus chained to a rock by the sea to await her death.

Perseus is just then flying near the coast of Ethiopia on his winged sandals, having slain the Gorgon Medusa and carrying her severed head, which instantly turns to stone any who look at it. Upon seeing Andromeda bound to the rock, Perseus falls in love with her, and he secures Cepheus' promise of her hand in marriage if he can save her. Perseus kills the monster with the magical sword he had used against Medusa, saving Andromeda. Preparations are then made for their marriage, in spite of her having been previously promised to her uncle, Phineus. At the wedding, a quarrel between the rivals ends when Perseus shows Medusa's head to Phineus and his allies, turning them to stone.[5][6][7]

Andromeda follows her husband to his native island of Serifos, where he rescues his mother Danaë. They next go to Argos, where Perseus is the rightful heir to the throne. After accidentally killing Argos' king, his grandfather Acrisius, however, Perseus chooses to become king of neighboring Tiryns instead. Perseus and Andromeda have seven sons: Perses (who, according to folk etymology, is the ancestor of the Persians), Alcaeus, Heleus, Mestor, Sthenelus, Electryon, and Cynurus as well as two daughters, Autochthe and Gorgophone. Their descendants rule Mycenae from Electryon down to Eurystheus, after whom Atreus attains the kingdom. The great hero Heracles (Hercules in Roman mythology) is also a descendant, his mother Alcmene being Electryon's daughter, while (like his grandfather Perseus) his father is the god Zeus.[8][9] The goddess Athena (or her Roman version Minerva) places Andromeda in the northern sky at her death as the constellation Andromeda, along with Perseus and her parents Cepheus and Cassiopeia, in commemoration of Perseus' bravery in fighting the sea monster Cetus.[10][11]

now mind you...Cetus is regarded as the same sea monster that swallowed Jonah

NOTE - Nereids are white women.

The PAWGin vs no PAWGin battle deeper than you realize

Cepheus and Cassiopeia represent the"King and Queen" of the celestial sphere respectively....

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Revelations 12

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Andromeda (constellation)

remember the Septuagint is Greek...the churches mentioned in Revelations are also Greek etc etc

Deuteronomy 4:1-4

1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

3 Your eyes have seen what the Lord did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the Lord thy God hath destroyed them from among you.

4 But ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day.

"For there is a war in heaven"...

 

[MMS]

Now take that in and consider Jonah (the archetype of Jonah who is preaching to unbelievers)

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The Book of the Prophet Jonah 4

1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

3 Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

4 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?

5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.

10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

Spoiler: shes holding a gourd

Note her representations

Kubaba - Wikipedia
Cybele - Wikipedia
Venus (mythology) - Wikipedia

Any one object is really countless parts that could be considered their own object. Or. Any single object is really a part of larger and larger "wholes". A countless number.

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The Line In The Sand

 

[MMS]

An interesting video that I feel will shed some light on who the Gorgon is (Medusas Head) as alluded to in the story of Perseus and Andromeda i posted above



most entertainment, in general, has strayed extremely far from the original intent of greek theatre which were to impart divine lessons...that's why "pagan" stories don't make sense anymore

remember it is NIMROD who imposed ritual worship upon man (We must worship the statues/images, fire, wind, earth etc)....however, when you read Genesis you will see the nature of God is plain and simple to understand.

this is painful for my brehs like @Koichos to consider but Moses is in fact a Nimrod whether he realized it or not (why he could not possess the land imo)

Its not to say either Judaism or Christianity are outright correct but rather that people keep eating the false idea that more knowledge = good. Adding to scripture and adding to perception and scribing in the name of God all it does is confuse and beguile people (and back in ancient times to be a scribe was a holy thing now anyone can write anything without regard to how it can affect others and themselves)
Might actually watch this movie now

 

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When you read the passages with this perspective a very interesting thing starts emerging

the clue to this thought process is the line of Cain early on in Genesis 3-4.

When you are presenting a viewpoint, explicitly state your position. You talk as if we're in on the secret and we're not. Otherwise you become hard to follow.

The Jonah book despite how small is actually one of the deepest period

Consider Jonah 4 and the Gourd...what is this Gourd you may ask

remember that the Assyrians were notorious idol worshippers (Golden bull furnace etc)

You are doing it again here. You're speaking in code and most of us can't follow.

What are you trying to say?

This is what I agree with. Biblical characters can be archetypes. I think you pointed to the descendants of Cain as an example. In the Genesis story, there is a descendant of Cain called Tubal-Cain who was suppose to be the father of those that play the harp and flute. That's not something you can take literally as a person so you have to understand that as an archtype.

So I agree. I understand characters to be archetypes.

But beyond that...I don't follow you.

I need you to be explicit about what you're stating because you're speaking in code and most of us don't know that language which could make people lose interest.

 

[MMS]

When you are presenting a viewpoint, explicitly state your position. You talk as if we're in on the secret and we're not. Otherwise you become hard to follow.




You are doing it again here. You're speaking in code and most of us can't follow.

What are you trying to say?

This is what I agree with. Biblical characters can be archetypes. I think you pointed to the descendants of Cain as an example. In the Genesis story, there is a descendant of Cain called Tubal-Cain who was suppose to be the father of those that play the harp and flute. That's not something you can take literally as a person so you have to understand that as an archtype.

So I agree. I understand characters to be archetypes.

But beyond that...I don't follow you.

I need you to be explicit about what you're stating because you're speaking in code and most of us don't know that language which could make people lose interest.

I am not here to be a stage performer

the best and only way I can guide you is to lean on the understanding within scripture. You must feel the words to understand it.

See this post by brother @Marks

And some people find pure symbolism boring


Matthew 13:17-23

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

it is not code, but rather a perspective.

I have explained the Gourd in the last 3 posts it is astrology and mythology.

Spoiler: Bonus

the ball or the sword

 

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I am not here to be a stage performer

the best and only way I can guide you is to lean on the understanding within scripture. You must feel the words to understand it.

it is not code, but rather a perspective.

You're perspective is not clear and explicit. You are taking a position against traditional doctrine. Of which is fine. And I can entertain because you've made some good points. And it's interesting.

But when you forgo traditional doctrine you have to be explicit on the direction that you're trying to lead people. Because there are so many directions one could go when you leave traditional thought.

Just posting scriptures is not leading or guiding in a direction because scripture could be interpreted in many ways. I could assume we're interpreting the scripture the same way but then find out you're have an understanding that's totally different.

For instance, you posted a scripture with respect to Cain and Abel's offering. And you insinuated that Abel's offering was considered better because of him putting up an animal offering as opposed to Cain's harvest offering. You alluded to that by saying man was given every seed bearing tree/fruit and we disregarded what was given to us so God found the man that was a herder or who gave up animals as an offering more acceptable. The point is, that's not how we understand that scripture.

This is a forum where we exchange ideas. Asking you to be more explicit in the direction that you're going and not talk as if we're privy to what you know is not asking you to be a stage performer. It's asking you to be more transparent.

 

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@MMS Here is a start. What do you believe? I just saw that you stated that Yahweh is a pagan diety modeled after Molech. You have also cited Greek, Egyptian, and old Canaanite mythologies, among others.

How do you conceptualize God, if at all, and how does all of these mythologies that you have incorporated fit into your conceptualization?

If you answer this, that could give me some direction on your perspective and can lead me closer to that perspective when you post scriptures or when you cite mythologies.

 

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You're perspective is not clear and explicit. You are taking a position against traditional doctrine. Of which is fine. And I can entertain because you've made some good points. And it's interesting.

But when you forgo traditional doctrine you have to be explicit on the direction that you're trying to lead people. Because there are so many directions one could go when you leave traditional thought.

Just posting scriptures is not leading or guiding in a direction because scripture could be interpreted in many ways. I could assume we're interpreting the scripture the same way but then find out you're have an understanding that's totally different.

For instance, you posted a scripture with respect to Cain and Abel's offering. And you insinuated that Abel's offering was considered better because of him putting up an animal offering as opposed to Cain's harvest offering. You alluded to that by saying man was given every seed bearing tree/fruit and we disregarded what was given to us so God found the man that was a herder or who gave up animals as an offering more acceptable. The point is, that's not how we understand that scripture.

This is a forum where we exchange ideas. Asking you to be more explicit in the direction that you're going and not talk as if we're privy to what you know is not asking you to be a stage performer. It's asking you to be more transparent.

This in itself you have to be ok with. I posted a certain egyptian parable that explains the drawbacks to written language but its not an obvious parable:
https://www.thecoli.com/posts/41076621/

that said you have to truly believe Jesus' perspective of the Bible to read what I am showing you. The reason I say this is because if you take "traditional" approaches you will already have lost

remember, Heaven and Earth were declared...meaning it is finished. Everything that follows is a reinterpretation...or should I say retelling of something already uttered.

Once you recognize this, the pattern of God will emerge to you. You will also understand the fundamental fallacy of additions to scripture whether they be Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Gnostic etc...

All organized religions for the most part are wrong to some degree because of their nature (control).

 

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@MMS Here is a start. What do you believe? I just saw that you stated that Yahweh is a pagan diety modeled after Molech. You have also cited Greek, Egyptian, and old Canaanite mythologies, among others.

How do you conceptualize God, if at all, and how does all of these mythologies that you have incorporated fit into your conceptualization?

If you answer this, that could give me some direction on your perspective and can lead me closer to that perspective when you post scriptures or when you cite mythologies.

seems this post was missed:

John 15:1-12


why ask me what I believe in?
https://www.thecoli.com/posts/40539374/

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Yodh - Wikipedia

this is a big leap, but every idea you have ever had or has ever been made by man initially started with a Line.

Spoiler

The Line In The Sand