Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18

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But Allah is not the God of Jewish and Christian scriptures.

Muslims proclaim that God's unique name is Allah.
Jews and Christians proclaims God's unique name is Yahweh which God revealed to Moses himself.

It doesn't make sense that the name of God changes when Muslims come around.

We know God's name to be Yahweh because in Judeo-Christian culture people incorporated the name of Yahweh in their names. Names are theophoric.

For instance:

"John" in Hebrew is Yahonan or Yehia. The Koran translated the name to Yahya. Yahonan means "Yahweh is gracious". Yehia means "Yahweh Lives."

"Zachariah" is Hebrew for "Yahweh remembers". The Koran translated the name to Zakariyya.

If the Koran says "there is no God but Allah" and the Bible says "there is no God but Yahweh" and the Koran is the direct word of Allah, why is Allah using names that are theophoric for Yahweh?

It seems to me that the author of the Koran had no idea what Yahweh was and had no idea that these names incorporated the name of Yahweh in them. This is especially glaring when there are theophoric names for Allah, like Abdullah, which means "slave of god".

Ironically, it was Allah himself who supposedly gave John the Baptist his name..

"Oh Zakariyya, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be John." Quran 19:7

Why would Allah give John a name that praises Yahweh and not Allah?

There is an even bigger name that kills the idea that Allah is God.

• The Koran speaks of a man name "Isa" which is weirdly supposed to come from the Hebrew "Yeshua" which means "to save".

"Yeshua" etymologically comes from "Yehoshua" which means "Yahweh is Salvation".

Why does Isa, such a big character, mentioned so prominently throughout the Koran, contain the name of Yahweh and not Allah?

There is also Elijah which in Hebrew is Eliyahu. In the Koran, it is Ilyas.

Eliyahu literally means "My God is Yahweh".

It couldn't be any clearer that God's name is Yahweh by this name and the Koran explicitly mentions this name.

How could your holy scripture, that supposedly comes from Allah himself, use the name of Ilyas - "My God is Yahweh" and not "My God is Allah".

This looks very terrible for Islam.

That's not all.

The Hadiths mentions "Yusha" which in Hebrew is Joshua also etymologically from Hoshea or "Yahweh is Lordly".

Other biblical names include:

Micaiah - Who is like Yahweh
Obadiah - Servant of Yahweh
Isaiah - Yahweh is salvation
Jeremiah - Yahweh will raise
Zaphaniah - Protected by Yahweh
Joel - Yahweh is God

Muslims mention that God's name is Allah and that the old Israelites and people like Moses called God by that name. By Allah.

If that is so, why do all these Abrahamic names, these very holy names, why do they all praise Yahweh?

Why does the Koran, the word of Allah, bestow names that praise Yahweh?

The author of the Koran had no idea what he was doing. Allah invalidates himself as the God of the Hebrews and Christians by naming his holy people in the Koran with names that glorify Yahweh.

Apparently, Allah is confused about his own name. Or simply Allah was made up by a man in his own imagination who had no idea that the names that he would plagiarize in his book contains the name of Yahweh.

now that’s how you get Muslims with their own scriptures

I haven’t read the Quran in depth like you so I never thought of the language aspect and how they use the Jewish God name Yaweh unknowingly despite at the same time maintaining Allah as their God.

Truth is I always wonder why Muslims don’t just say Yaweh or Jesus/yeshoua

these are actual NAMES that mean something not titles

but Muslims always use the “Quran can’t be translated” angle.

But you just destroyed that concept.

I see where your coming from

Why does the Koran, the word of Allah, bestow names that praise Yahweh?

it’s just another contradiction that lies in the Quran/Islam whether you see it as a error in the author/s or intentional straight from the Angel/demon source.

Maybe they knew better than to even try lying on Gods name.

we know Allah, the god of Islam, is referred to as the deceiver so I figure actually using the true god name Yaweh and Jesus wouldnt be much of a deception.

Maybe it would be too bold to get away with. And push back would be too great from Jews and Christians

Gods name isn’t something they play with.

If a retailer try to sell fake look alike sneakers with the actual jumpman logo and Jordan name on it it’ll never be accepted as authentic and Nike will come shut the store down

instead of using Yaweh Islam had to create a bootleg/discount version of God, name it Allah which people assume to be the same but really when you look close (as you have pointed out) is not the same proven by the Quran own scriptures

Allah is a title or translation of the word God in Arabic

It could be any unknown God or Gods, not to mention Allah was a pagan God worshiped by Arabs before Islam existed

but the point is

Muslims always say “we believe in the same God as you” to Jews

or “we believe in Jesus” to Christians

but this is the biggest Lie or slap in the face to judeo-Christian scriptures

this is nothing other than a way for Muslims to legitimize Islam as a new religion or the faith to themselves and others

it’s a form of religious syncretism that allowed Islam to blend in to the culture/beliefs of the time easily and spread and grow as it did

it’s a deception because Muslims aren’t worshiping the God of Israel as they think they are

and they don’t believe in Jesus of Christianity as they think either

they are neither Jew or Followers of Jesus

if they were, Yaweh would be the name all in the Quran instead of Allah in line with other names derived from Yaweh

Two different Gods. Two different religions. 1 big deception

Allah being the same God of Moses, Abraham, Issac, etc... might be false to us who know the Bible,

but to potential Muslim converts it would be appealing, enticing or even believable especially to people who already lived amongst Jews/Christians at the time and gullible

most cults start this way

The purpose of Islam isn’t to lie out right but deceive with half truths

notice it’s always a spin like “Jesus didn’t die Allah made it look that way and saved him in the last minute ”

or “The old prophets didn’t commit those sins..... the Bible was corrupted and changed the stories” we believe in Torah

the Quran is full of half truths like these which makes it so dangerous because many are drawn in and deceived by it without understanding it’s inherent contradictions

that’s why i can appreciate posts like this by Dorian because he just further clarified what I been knowing/thinking about Islam

 

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Are you guys familiar with Christian group called Biblical Unitarians that say God of the Bible is not the trinity but the father alone, set Islam aside for second because you guys are seem go all over the place, lets focus on the Bible. Who is your God in the Bible? @DoubleClutch @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited @Dorian Gray

 

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now that’s how you get Muslims with their own scriptures

I haven’t read the Quran in depth like you so I never thought of the language aspect and how they use the Jewish God name Yaweh unknowingly despite at the same time maintaining Allah as their God.

Truth is I always wonder why Muslims don’t just say Yaweh or Jesus/yeshoua

these are actual NAMES that mean something not titles

but Muslims always use the “Quran can’t be translated” angle.

But you just destroyed that concept.

I see where your coming from

Why does the Koran, the word of Allah, bestow names that praise Yahweh?

it’s just another contradiction that lies in the Quran/Islam whether you see it as a error in the author/s or intentional straight from the Angel/demon source.

Maybe they knew better than to even try lying on Gods name.

we know Allah, the god of Islam, is referred to as the deceiver so I figure actually using the true god name Yaweh and Jesus wouldnt be much of a deception.

Maybe it would be too bold to get away with. And push back would be too great from Jews and Christians

Gods name isn’t something they play with.

If a retailer try to sell fake look alike sneakers with the actual jumpman logo and Jordan name on it it’ll never be accepted as authentic and Nike will come shut the store down

instead of using Yaweh Islam had to create a bootleg/discount version of God, name it Allah which people assume to be the same but really when you look close (as you have pointed out) is not the same proven by the Quran own scriptures

Allah is a title or translation of the word God in Arabic

It could be any unknown God or Gods, not to mention Allah was a pagan God worshiped by Arabs before Islam existed

but the point is

Muslims always say “we believe in the same God as you” to Jews

or “we believe in Jesus” to Christians

but this is the biggest Lie or slap in the face to judeo-Christian scriptures

this is nothing other than a way for Muslims to legitimize Islam as a new religion or the faith to themselves and others

it’s a form of religious syncretism that allowed Islam to blend in to the culture/beliefs of the time easily and spread and grow as it did

it’s a deception because Muslims aren’t worshiping the God of Israel as they think they are

and they don’t believe in Jesus of Christianity as they think either

they are neither Jew or Followers of Jesus

if they were, Yaweh would be the name all in the Quran instead of Allah in line with other names derived from Yaweh

Two different Gods. Two different religions. 1 big deception

Allah being the same God of Moses, Abraham, Issac, etc... might be false to us who know the Bible,

but to potential Muslim converts it would be appealing, enticing or even believable especially to people who already lived amongst Jews/Christians at the time and gullible

most cults start this way

The purpose of Islam isn’t to lie out right but deceive with half truths

notice it’s always a spin like “Jesus didn’t die Allah made it look that way and saved him in the last minute ”

or “The old prophets didn’t commit those sins..... the Bible was corrupted and changed the stories” we believe in Torah

the Quran is full of half truths like these which makes it so dangerous because many are drawn in and deceived by it without understanding it’s inherent contradictions

that’s why i can appreciate posts like this by Dorian because he just further clarified what I been knowing/thinking about Islam

they not seen the egyptian take on the name

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

they not seen the egyptian take on the name

Egyptians got their whole theology from Mesopotamia, so they put their own spin on it.​

 

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Are you guys familiar with Christian group called Biblical Unitarians that say God of the Bible is not the trinity but the father alone, set Islam aside for second because you guys are seem go all over the place, lets focus on the Bible. Who is your God in the Bible? @DoubleClutch @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited @Dorian Gray

You know who the God of the Bible is because your prophet gave you the correct revelation. Why are you asking us?

A better question for those of us that follow a religion that precedes Islam is who is Allah? And why does he have three daughters, Al Lat, Al Uzza, and Al Manat? And what is his relationship to Hubal whose Kaaba in Mecca Muhammad overtook and gave to Allah? And why does it appear that Allah is confused about his name, giving his prophets and holy peoole the name he revealed to Jews and Christians and not the name he revealed to Muhammad and Muslims?

 

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You know who the God of the Bible is because your prophet gave you the correct revelation. Why are you asking us?

A better question for those of us that follow a religion that precedes Islam is who is Allah? And why does he have three daughters, Al Lat, Al Uzza, and Al Manat? And what is his relationship to Hubal whose Kaaba in Mecca Muhammad overtook and gave to Allah? And why does it appear that Allah is confused about his name, giving his prophets and holy peoole the name he revealed to Jews and Christians and not the name he revealed to Muhammad and Muslims?

 

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Indeed.

Al-Lat (Arabic: اللات‎, romanized: Al-Lāt, pronounced [alːaːt]), also spelled Allat, Allatu and Alilat, is a pre-Islamic Arabian goddess worshipped under various associations throughout the entire peninsula, including Mecca where she was worshipped alongside Manat and al-'Uzza as one of the daughters of Allah. The word Allat or Elat has been used to refer to various goddesses in the ancient Near East, including the goddess Asherah-Athirat.

Al-Lat

Now explain.

 

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Indeed.



Al-Lat

Now explain.

Unable to explain the holes so resort to tabloid stuff lol. You may want to get familiar how academic sources is used and presented.

 

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Are you guys familiar with Christian group called Biblical Unitarians that say God of the Bible is not the trinity but the father alone, set Islam aside for second because you guys are seem go all over the place, lets focus on the Bible. Who is your God in the Bible? @DoubleClutch @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited @Dorian Gray

Ok so why aren’t you a Unitarian? Since it aligns more with your beliefs?

if Unitarian is true then why would there be a need for Muhammad or Islam to come?

Islam attacks the idea of Jesus being the son of God, dying/resurrection and being divine.

Pretty much same as Unitarians believe

better yet, you should ask Unitarians why they aren’t Muslim or Jewish.

Notice how all major religions are defined by what it’s followers believe about Jesus and then get a deeper understanding of who Jesus said he is

 

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Unable to explain the holes so resort to tabloid stuff lol. You may want to get familiar how academic sources is used and presented.

"Tabloid stuff".

That's the muslim m.o. - try to invalidate sources. Can't say I expected anything more.

Unfortunately for you, when people go to study ancient arabian peninsula religion, because wiki is typically a first stop for most trying to find out general information, folks will see Al-Lat and that the pre-Muhummadean Allah had daughters. And it's nothing y'all could do about that otherwise y'all could simply sue wiki for putting out false information. But you can't.


That damn tabloid stuff.....

 

[SwizzLake]

Ok so why aren’t you a Unitarian? Since it aligns more with your beliefs?

if Unitarian is true then why would there be a need for Muhammad or Islam to come?

Islam attacks the idea of Jesus being the son of God, dying/resurrection and being divine.

Pretty much same as Unitarians believe

better yet, you should ask Unitarians why they aren’t Muslim or Jewish.

Notice how all major religions are defined by what it’s followers believe about Jesus and then get a deeper understanding of who Jesus said he is

So your main issue with the Unitarians are that they see the father as the Bible God and don't see Jesus as God?

 

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"Tabloid stuff".

That's the muslim m.o. - try to invalidate sources. Can't say I expected anything more.

Unfortunately for you, when people go to study ancient arabian peninsula religion, because wiki is typically a first stop for most trying to find out general information, folks will see Al-Lat and that the pre-Muhummadean Allah had daughters. And it's nothing y'all could do about that otherwise y'all could simply sue wiki for putting out false information. But you can't.


That damn tabloid stuff.....

My nikka, this thread isn't for you. Allow us to continue the discussion please,

 

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My nikka, this thread isn't for you. Allow us to continue the discussion please,

I'm mean, what qualifies as a source to you? I can pull verses from the torah and bible and all you're going to say is that they are corrupted.

Damn the fact that I can pull all of the academic sources individually about the three goddesses, all you are going to do is cry that it's fake.

Damn the fact that the three goddesses were chanted by worshippers who circumnavigated the Kabah. Damn the fact that Al Lat's object of worship was a stone, just like the black stone you all circumnavigate around today.

al-Ilāt
Al-Lāt, North Arabian goddess of pre-Islāmic times to whom a stone cube at aṭ-Ṭāʾif (near Mecca) was held sacred as part of her cult. Two other North Arabian goddesses, Manāt (Fate) and al-ʿUzzā (Strong), were associated with al-Lāt in the Qurʾān (Islāmic sacred scriptures). The Prophet Muḥammad once recognized these three as goddesses, but a new revelation led him to abrogate the approving verses he had earlier recited and to abandon his attempt to placate Meccan pagans. Members of the tribe of Quraysh circumambulated the Kaʿbah in Mecca (now a central shrine of Islām in Mecca’s al-Ḥaram mosque) chanting the praises of al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā, and Manāt. Each of the three had main sanctuaries near Mecca that were sites of pious visits and offerings until Muḥammad ordered them destroyed. The goddesses were also worshipped by various Arab tribes located as far away as Palmyra, Syria.

^^^ Taken from the Encyclopedia Brittanica^^^^

Al-Lāt | Arabian deity

I guess that's tabloid too.

You all are still revering stones and still circumnavigating the Kabah just like the pagans before you.

You all are like MAGA's, believe in half-truths and credible sources are fake news.

If you what to snivvle out of addressing this. Fine.

Address why Allah dictated to Muhammad through Gabriel (because Muhammad never seen Allah)(And nobody could bear witness to ever seeing Gabriel with Muhammad) names that were theophoric for the Hebrew God? Especially since Muslims claim that OT Jews addressed God by the name of Allah?

 

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So your main issue with the Unitarians are that they see the father as the Bible God and don't see Jesus as God?

you didn’t answer any of my questions.

Anyways, my main issue is with anyone telling lies about or attempting to discredit Judaism/Christianity

When it comes to Jesus, people are free to believe in him or not. That includes Jews, Unitarians, Hebrew Israelites, Buddhist, etc....

that’s not my concern since it’s a matter of faith/understanding

But regarding the topic of this thread,

Muslims can’t tell me what I believe is based off a corrupted source without proof.

Islam can’t sell me an alternate twisted version of what I already know to be facts/truth based on a history especially when this history predates its own existence by hundreds of years.

also one new thing I just learned from Dorian is that the Quran doesn’t even say “the Bible scriptures were corrupted” verbatim anyways

You might need to clear that up first before we talk about Unitarians

 

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quran:

• Allah is the greatest of all deceivers (Quran 3:54, 8:30)

Bible:

• And the devil that deceived them (Revelation 20:10)

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quran:

• Allah is the Lord of the worlds (Quran 10:37)

Bible:

• Satan is the god (lord) of this world (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

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quran:

• 99 Names of Allah: #10 Al-Mutakabbir: “The Most Proud” (Quran 59:23)

Bible:

• Satan was cast out of heaven because of his pride (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-19)

quran:

• 99 Names of Allah: #61 Al-Mumit: “The Destroyer” (Quran 3:156; 7:158; 15:23, 57:2

Bible:

• Satan is the Destroyer (1 Corinthians 10:10)

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quran:

• 99 Names of Allah: #78 Al-Muta Ali: “The Most High” (Quran 13:9)

Bible:

• Satan will be “like” the Most High (Isaiah 14:14)

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quran:

• allah = Terror
  • allah’s apostle said: I have been made victorious with terror. (hadith 4:52:220)

Bible:

• Satan = Terror
  • “All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.” (Ezekiel 28:19)

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quran:

• And kill them wherever you find them. (Quran 2:191)

Bible:

• “Thou Shalt not kill.” (Exodus 20:13)

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quran:

• Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them. (Quran 9:14)

Bible:

• “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44a)

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islamic law:

• Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

Bible:

• “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)

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quran:

• allah’s apostle said: The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: “o Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so come and kill him!” (Hadith 4:52:177)

Bible:

• “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.” (John 16:1-3)

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quran:

• Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger, and those who acknowledge not the “religion of truth” among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Quran 9:29)

Bible:

• “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

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Did Muhammad receive the quran from the Archangel Gabriel or someone else?

quran:

• Say (O Muhammad): Whoever is an enemy to Jibrael (Gabriel), let him die in his fury for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah’s permission… (Quran 2:97)

Bible:

• 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [a]accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)
• And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).

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Is allah really the all-powerful God?

quran: Volume 8, Book 73, Number 224-225: Narrated Abu Huraira:

• The Prophet said, "The most awful (meanest) name in Allah's sight." Sufyan said more than once, "The most awful (meanest) name in Allah's sight is (that of) a man calling himself king of kings."

Bible: Revelation 19:11-16 - Christ on a White Horse

• 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

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