Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18

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Allah is a title or translation of the word God in Arabic

The Arabic word "ilah" - also written/used in the Quran - means "God",

as God in all languages.

The word "Allah" is a name.

There were 360 idols among the polytheistic pre-Islamic Arabs.

One of these idols was named "Allah".

That was the main idol of Muhammad's Quraish tribe.

Muhammad's father - before the Quran was sent down - was called

"Abd Allah / Abdullah", that means: the "slave of Allah",

and his uncle was called "Obred Allah".

When God - through Gabriel - began to send the Quran down to Mohammed, Mohammed decided to declare this idol called Allah to be this only God.

And his companions and followers have taken it over.

Muslims use both words: ilah (God) and allah (name of an idol). But they are not aware that Allah is the name of an idol, they think that it is the name of God.

So, they use the word Allah much-much more often than the word ilah/God.

And they falsify the Quran. Where it is written God / ilah, they write Allah.

They did and do the same with many other verses - according to the interpretations of Muhammad and his companions/followers - and in this way they falsified the whole Quran.

For example: In the Quran God said in Arabic:

"la ilahe - ilallah".

Literally translated this means:

"There is no God - there is Allah"

And it means: "There is no God – there where Allah is".

Mohammed and his companions/followers interpret/falsify it and write:

"There is no other God - but Allah".

There are very few good/usable translations of the Quran in the world,

that stick to the original text.

There is only one such translation, that sticks to the original text, in German, made by a Lebanese Christian priest: Adel Theodor Khoury.

So Muslims worship an idol named Allah and think / believe that they worship God.

That is one of the biggest delusions/fallacies/mistakes in history.

 

[MMS]

Egyptians got their whole theology from Mesopotamia, so they put their own spin on it.​

thats not true and in fact is known to be false from both archaelogic records as well as the coffin/pyramid texts etc

Mesopotamia was influenced by the Khmer who in turn influenced babylon and the Indus civilizations

Egypt got its theology from Kush (Sudan/Ethiopia)

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

thats not true and in fact is known to be false from both archaelogic records as well as the coffin/pyramid texts etc

That is incorrect. Both archaeology and documentation shows Mesopotamia to have influenced Egyptian/Greek theology.......​

The Mesopotamian civilizations pre-date Egyptian by about 7,000 years.​

 

[MMS]

That is incorrect. Both archaeology and documentation shows Mesopotamia to have influenced Egyptian/Greek theology.......​

The Mesopotamian civilizations pre-date Egyptian by about 7,000 years.​

agree to disagree on those dates as well as putting Egypt and Greek in the same boat

Two Ladies - Wikipedia

^^^this is a tradition explicitly of the Pharaohs. You will not find this elsewhere.

Lower Egypt is not Upper Egypt and much of the beliefs varied amongst the nomarches going back to 3000 BC

Even Greek mythology/Zeusian science is heavily coopted by Phoenicians.

 

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You might need to clear that up first before we talk about Unitarians

It's neither here nor there and is being cast as a diversion.

It's like asking Muslims to explain why Sufis believe Allah to be "knowable" and that one can attain a personal relationship with Allah, while Sunnis don't.

We know what core Muslim doctrine proclaims, we should stick with that and not delve into particulars of smaller sects or offshoots.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

agree to disagree on those dates as well as putting Egypt and Greek in the same boat

Egyptian theology influenced Greek theology. Not the same boat, but different points along a stream as your link shows as it refers to about the 3rd Millennium BCE, when the pyramids were being constructed. Meanwhile, Sumerian texts precede those by almost 1,000 years.​

Two Ladies - Wikipedia

^^^this is a tradition explicitly of the Pharaohs. You will not find this elsewhere.

Lower Egypt is not Upper Egypt and much of the beliefs varied amongst the nomarches going back to 3000 BC

Even Greek mythology/Zeusian science is heavily coopted by Phoenicians.

Phoenicia is not Ugarit, or Sumer, or Akkad, etc.

ETCSLhomepage

Take a look through here.​

 

[DoubleClutch]

The Arabic word "ilah" - also written/used in the Quran - means "God",

as God in all languages.

The word "Allah" is a name.

There were 360 idols among the polytheistic pre-Islamic Arabs.

One of these idols was named "Allah".

That was the main idol of Muhammad's Quraish tribe.

Muhammad's father - before the Quran was sent down - was called

"Abd Allah / Abdullah", that means: the "slave of Allah",

and his uncle was called "Obred Allah".

When God - through Gabriel - began to send the Quran down to Mohammed, Mohammed decided to declare this idol called Allah to be this only God.

And his companions and followers have taken it over.

Muslims use both words: ilah (God) and allah (name of an idol). But they are not aware that Allah is the name of an idol, they think that it is the name of God.

So, they use the word Allah much-much more often than the word ilah/God.

And they falsify the Quran. Where it is written God / ilah, they write Allah.

They did and do the same with many other verses - according to the interpretations of Muhammad and his companions/followers - and in this way they falsified the whole Quran.

For example: In the Quran God said in Arabic:

"la ilahe - ilallah".

Literally translated this means:

"There is no God - there is Allah"

And it means: "There is no God – there where Allah is".

Mohammed and his companions/followers interpret/falsify it and write:

"There is no other God - but Allah".

There are very few good/usable translations of the Quran in the world,

that stick to the original text.

There is only one such translation, that sticks to the original text, in German, made by a Lebanese Christian priest: Adel Theodor Khoury.

So Muslims worship an idol named Allah and think / believe that they worship God.

That is one of the biggest delusions/fallacies/mistakes in history.

yea I know, but today I think modern Arabs use Allah as the translation

I think older Arabic was different and had more elements that tied it to the pagan origins, regardless this is the true roots of Islam

But isn’t it true arab Christians today say “Allah” when translating it to mean God (when not using it as a name of God)

Do you speak Arabic?

 

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yea I know, but today I think modern Arabs use Allah as the translation

I think older Arabic was different and had more elements that tied it to the pagan origins, regardless this is the true roots of Islam

But isn’t it true arab Christians today say “Allah” when translating it to mean God (when not using it as a name of God)

Do you speak Arabic?

I don't speak Arabic.

I think the point is, this flies in the face of them claiming that the Koran is historically preserved.

Not only is it isn't, for a multitude of reasons, it isn't because Muslims have started exchanging 'ilah' for 'Allah' and that language is now being reflected in their Korans.

And clearly multitudes of Muslims don't even know it or have a handle on their own language because lots of resources online made by Muslims will tell you Allah is a title. And it ain't.

Christian Muslims are just following societal trends so they are not relevant. Christian Muslims call Christ 'Christ'. That's what's most important.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Do you speak Arabic?

Something like 95% of Muslims, worldwide, neither speak nor read Classical Arabic. What that means is NONE of them have actually read the REAL Quran. That's not that big a deal. What IS, however, is that Muslims have a similar belief as Christians and Ancient Jews in regards to the Quran and Allah, which makes the constant accusations they have regarding Jesus' theological place disingenuous.
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[MMS]

Egyptian theology influenced Greek theology. Not the same boat, but different points along a stream as your link shows as it refers to about the 3rd Millennium BCE, when the pyramids were being constructed. Meanwhile, Sumerian texts precede those by almost 1,000 years.​

Phoenicia is not Ugarit, or Sumer, or Akkad, etc.

ETCSLhomepage

Take a look through here.​

TBH I wouldn't even agree with Egypt influencing Greek mythology because of how different they are.

As Egypt was split up via nomarchs, so was Greece in city-states and belief systems across the Aegean. Many of stories/myths that are assimilated into Greek mythology also include Phrygian/Thracian/Indo-European myths which come from Hurrians who came from Mitanni/Assyria.

What is not said is how before Rome there was Etruscan (west Mediterranean), Greek, Thracian, Phoenician (includes Canaan/Lebanon/Syria) forebears in their beliefs and not limited to their own religious beliefs before sacking Etruscan culture (Rome the Kingdom)

They get lumped together as Greek but in reality, they are separate and have backstories that predate them going back to Sumeria/Mesopotamia YET this whole development of belief was separate from Egypt

remember not every civilization had the same access to trade and writing. Phoenicians are one of the originators of language AND the spread of religious belief that dates back to Minoan culture at Knossos(Crete).

Egyptian beliefs and their pantheons are very distinct. The only thing that in any way links them is really Alexander claiming to be Osiris and changing the state religion during the Ptolemaic era to explicitly Osiris/Isis story and linking Apis with Osiris thus the created name "Serapis or Ausar-Hapi" (Wsjr Hp)

even that is not the same as the beliefs in say Zeus, Amun, or Hadad.

 

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https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-little-known-biblical-curse-of-egypt-by-isaiah.776717/

The Prophet Isaiah Isaiah 19:19-24

This is pretty interesting.

I have more than a passing familiarity with Egyptian antiquity as it was a hobby of mine when I was younger. I got to the point where I could read hieroglyphics almost fluently. That period phased out and I pretty much lost the ability now.

I typically don't bother with things that give off the appearance of conspiracy. But I looked at your first post and it seems legit from what I already know and also since you backed it up with references. I'm going to look through the whole thread when I get some time.

What is interesting to me is the fact that you posted references about Ptah being self-created. The thing about Egyptians is that they had a number of creation myths. Growing up, most of the resources that I came across said that Ra was self-created and was not beget by Ptah. So it's interesting to see some contention there.

Even more, I remember seeing that the god Atum (who would later be synergized with Ra) was actually the first god to arise out of the primordial mound. He is in fact identified with the primordial mound. But even with that, the primordial mound arisen out of the god Nun which was the eternal primordial waters. So it's really interesting how the Egyptian visualized creation. And even more, how it almost mirrors Judeo-Christian creation. Along with the cult of Aton that came about, and some of it's hymns that basically mirror some of the Psalms and it's close spelling with "Adonai", I've always wondered if the Egyptians had revelations of the Judeo-Christian God. They were certainly a "religious" centered people in a way that outdid most of the other classical nations of antiquity.

It's definitely fascinating.

It echos what some have observed about ancient mythology, that they are all telling the same story, they are all pointing to Truth, just within their own cultural context.

 

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What IS, however, is that Muslims have a similar belief as Christians and Ancient Jews in regards to the Quran and Allah, which makes the constant accusations they have regarding Jesus' theological place disingenuous.

What do you mean by this?

 

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The Prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 19:19-24

24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”

"And Assyria the work of My hands."

Also, another enlightening nugget.....

Most people tend to overlook the Book of Jonah. It's a fascinating book and has lots of surprises (outside of the whale story).

One of the most surprising things about Jonah, who is considered to be a minor prophet is this..

Jonah 1:1
The word of the Lord came to Jonah son of Amittai: 2 “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

The thing that comes out of left field is that Jonah was sent to be a prophet to the Assyrians. This is the first time that a Hebrew prophet is sent to a gentile nation who not only were gentiles but were their enemies. The most incredible thing about this is that God, who the Hebrews thought was their own and on their side, would not only CARE about the salvation of their Assyrian enemies but that the Assyrians were on the mind of God. It was the fact that God was even contemplating them. This was radical for the Hebrews.

You are on to something. Not sure what it is yet.

I take it you have some type of theory? What is it?

 

[DoubleClutch]

"And Assyria the work of My hands."

Also, another enlightening nugget.....

Most people tend to overlook the Book of Jonah. It's a fascinating book and has lots of surprises (outside of the whale story).

One of the most surprising things about Jonah, who is considered to be a minor prophet is this..



The thing that comes out of left field is that Jonah was sent to be a prophet to the Assyrians. This is the first time that a Hebrew prophet is sent to a gentile nation who not only were gentiles but were their enemies. The most incredible thing about this is that God, who the Hebrews thought was their own and on their side, would not only CARE about the salvation of their Assyrian enemies but that the Assyrians were on the mind of God. It was the fact that God was even contemplating them. This was radical for the Hebrews.

You are on to something. Not sure what it is yet.

I take it you have some type of theory? What is it?

I figure God didn’t destroy Assyrians because it fit a larger purpose/prophecy in the Bible narrative. And a lesson to Jonah. Also God can do what he wants

And Id like to know @MMS theory as well and what he believes but he’ll never tell it but only post more scriptures

 

[MMS]

"And Assyria the work of My hands."

Also, another enlightening nugget.....

Most people tend to overlook the Book of Jonah. It's a fascinating book and has lots of surprises (outside of the whale story).

One of the most surprising things about Jonah, who is considered to be a minor prophet is this..



The thing that comes out of left field is that Jonah was sent to be a prophet to the Assyrians. This is the first time that a Hebrew prophet is sent to a gentile nation who not only were gentiles but were their enemies. The most incredible thing about this is that God, who the Hebrews thought was their own and on their side, would not only CARE about the salvation of their Assyrian enemies but that the Assyrians were on the mind of God. It was the fact that God was even contemplating them. This was radical for the Hebrews.

You are on to something. Not sure what it is yet.

I take it you have some type of theory? What is it?

as Ive said in many other threads another way to interpret the "names" in the bible is that they are pen names

and further the names can be read as a "Kind of person"

like as in Abraham being a kind of person with a kind of lifestyle...etc same as Lot, Isaac, Esau, Jacob and so forth.

When you read the passages with this perspective a very interesting thing starts emerging

the clue to this thought process is the line of Cain early on in Genesis 3-4.

Abel is widely regarded as the man who offered "animal sacrifice" but the passage can be reread as I posted in this thread

Psalm 50:7-15



God gave us every seed bearing plant and tree for meat and we clearly broke that rule. The "offering" of Abel was not flesh but the fat of his herd (metaphorical excess)...whereas Cains was the work of the ground (his own works)

over a lifetime God always favors the herdsman/husbandman over the man who believes he is justified in only his own works.

the belief that God demands sacrifice is a generations old satanic lie perpetrated by you know who...

The Jonah book despite how small is actually one of the deepest period

Consider Jonah 4 and the Gourd...what is this Gourd you may ask

remember that the Assyrians were notorious idol worshippers (Golden bull furnace etc)