'Batman v. Superman' Fallout: Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles (Exclusive)

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

You keep trying to cling to that point but it's not compelling.

1. The difference between IM3 and DKR was $130 million, not the "nearly 300" you keep saying.

2. Iron Man 3 was in 3D, Dark Knight Rises was not. The average regular movie ticket is around $8. 3D and 3DImax tickets can be $4-7 more than that. Yes it makes a big difference.

3. Dark Knight Rises grossed more than Iron Man 3 Domestically. If "kids" are the reason MCU movies make more, THIS is where we should have seen it. But we didn't. DKR dominated here.

4. Iron Man 3 added in additional Chinese-only content to pander to the Chinese Box Office and was coming off the buzz of making $240 million in China with the Avengers. The Dark Knight NEVER released in China, with WB citing "cultural sensitivity", and then the Dark Knight Rises ended up releasing in China a month later than every other territory. Iron Man 3 made more than double what The Dark Knight Rises made in China because of this.

Kids aren't the reason, international appeal/pandering and 3D is. China certainly is a big difference maker, and The Dark Knight movies either didn't release there, or they released there with barely any priority given toward exciting that audience.

I'll respond more to this later when I get off. But you just admitted that IM has more appeal than Batman world wide. WB basically didn't release in China because it was too dark.

$130M is still a hell of a lot more. So if TDK only wins by 50M domestic that's "killing" it but IM winning by over $130M overall is not killing it?

3D isn't making up that difference

Bottom line is DC is never hitting 1.2B unless they change the tone significantly.


The Avengers and IM are less popular than Batman yet they both shyt on batman at the box office even when batman is in a good movies. Numbers don't lie. More people around the world fukk with What the MCU is doing. Justice league will not hit a a billion even with a fresh RT score

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I wouldn't really call $200 million destroying it. Plus TDKR had no 3D, IM 3 did and 3D is actually more popular overseas than it is in the states, which was likely a factor in the differnces between the grosses of the film domestically and internationally.

Edit: @Tasha And explained it much better.

3D is a weak excuse imo

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Batman is definitely more popular but this is a new batman. That's a big difference than someone people already have a vested interest in and the buzz wasn't good. Need good buzz too breh

Yes but even when batman had great buzz the Avengers still dominated him and Nolan

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

You're talking about critic reviews when audience reception is what matters as that affects how much the film makes and how it holds up after the opening and in the long run.

Batman vs Superman just needed an average audience response and it would have easily cleared $1billion plus. Instead it was received on par with a movie like Wolverine: Origins and crashed almost everywhere after it's first week.

"Age threshold" when The Dark Knight Rises made more money than Iron Man 3 domestically, in The U.K, Germany and Australia whilst being marginally behind Iron Man 3 in places such as France, Japan, Italy

The only major difference between Iron Man 3 and The Dark Knight Rises was China, Korea and Russia.

Even with a great response BvS would have struggled for a billion.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

After Infinity war 1 DC won't have one flick in the top 10 book it

 

[Tasha And]

I'll respond more to this later when I get off. But you just admitted that IM has more appeal than Batman world wide. WB basically didn't release in China because it was too dark.

$130M is still a hell of a lot more. So if TDK only wins by 50M domestic that's "killing" it but IM winning by over $130M overall is not killing it?

3D isn't making up that difference

Bottom line is DC is never hitting 1.2B unless they change the tone significantly.


The Avengers and IM are less popular than Batman yet they both shyt on batman at the box office even when batman is in a good movies. Numbers don't lie. More people around the world fukk with What the MCU is doing. Justice league will not hit a a billion even with a fresh RT score

You just don't understand what you are talking about. There is no way you can say 3d isn't making a huge difference and still say you have a handle on the conversation about box office numbers. And then you want to say "numbers don't lie" while overlooking the simple math of $8 tickets vs $14 tickets. Do you think studios are making movies for 3d just for fun? You think theaters are adding in screens for 3d just for fun? 3-D format is the preferred choice for the Chinese box office.

And no, it's not that TDK didn't release in China because "it was too dark", they didn't release because it featured a scene in Hong Kong that would offend the censor-happy Chinese box office. Why do you think The Dark Knight Rises was released in China? It's not because it suddenly wasn't "dark", it's because it didn't have a scene to offend any political sensibilities of the Chinese Government like The Dark Knight had with this scene.



Doctor Strange would have been banned had they acknowledged Tibet, and that has nothing to do with the films "darkness". The last Hunger Games movie is just as dark, if not darker than the Batman movies, and it didn't have any problem releasing in China.

 

[Clark Wayne]

I'll respond more to this later when I get off. But you just admitted that IM has more appeal than Batman world wide. WB basically didn't release in China because it was too dark.

$130M is still a hell of a lot more. So if TDK only wins by 50M domestic that's "killing" it but IM winning by over $130M overall is not killing it?

3D isn't making up that difference

Bottom line is DC is never hitting 1.2B unless they change the tone significantly.


The Avengers and IM are less popular than Batman yet they both shyt on batman at the box office even when batman is in a good movies. Numbers don't lie. More people around the world fukk with What the MCU is doing. Justice league will not hit a a billion even with a fresh RT score

At this bullshyt. Dark Knight didn't get released in China not because it was too dark, y'all kill me with that shyt.

It didn't get released in China because it had Bruce Wayne going into China and kidnapping a Chinese national.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yes but even when batman had great buzz the Avengers still dominated him and Nolan

Eh did dark knight rises have great buzz? It had good buzz not great and I think once people got wind of it it just wasn't that great. Clearly that's my opinion tho

 

[Deafheaven]

hunger games are dark movies

gtfoh

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Eh did dark knight rises have great buzz? It had good buzz not great and I think once people got wind of it it just wasn't that great. Clearly that's my opinion tho

Basically the same as IM3

 

[richaveli83]

That's my Caped Crusader

 

[Jazzy B.]

Even with a great response BvS would have struggled for a billion.

No it would not have "struggled" and you clearly don't have a clue on how the box office works


Trying to make it about the "tone" and supposed "age threshold" when The Dark Knight made half a billion just domestically heck Rises was on course to do similar until the shooting "bu-bu-bu tone" nah Snyder just makes boring that sinks after week 1 .

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

You just don't understand what you are talking about. There is no way you can say 3d isn't making a huge difference and still say you have a handle on the conversation about box office numbers. And then you want to say "numbers don't lie" while overlooking the simple math of $8 tickets vs $14 tickets. Do you think studios are making movies for 3d just for fun? You think theaters are adding in screens for 3d just for fun? 3-D format is the preferred choice for the Chinese box office.

And no, it's not that TDK didn't release in China because "it was too dark", they didn't release because it featured a scene in Hong Kong that would offend the censor-happy Chinese box office. Why do you think The Dark Knight Rises was released in China? It's not because of not being "dark", it's because it didn't have a scene to offend any political sensibilities of the Chinese Government like The Dark Knight had with this scene.



Doctor Strange would have been banned had they acknowledged Tibet, and that has nothing to do with the films "darkness". The last Hunger Games movie is just as dark, if not darker than the Batman movies, and it didn't have any problem releasing in China.

Some in here posted that the average ticket price for IM3 and TDKR was a dollar

Y'all just won't admit people fukk with the MCU more than DC and that ain't gonna change.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No it would not have "struggled" and you clearly don't have a clue on how the box office works


Trying to make it about the "tone" and supposed "age threshold" when The Dark Knight made half a billion just domestically heck Rises was on course to do similar until the shooting "bu-bu-bu tone" nah Snyder just makes boring that sinks after week 1 .

Thor and Hulk and GotG2 will make more the JL

 

[Clark Wayne]

Even with a great response BvS would have struggled for a billion.

You serious? You mean to tell me a movie that got shytted on by critics with a RT score of 27% managed to make $870 million, but if that same movie had been well received it would have struggled to make $130 million more?

Do you see how that sounds? A comic book movie with horrible reviews still manages to become a top 50 of all time highest grossing films. That same movie with great reviews doesn't hit top 25?