'Batman v. Superman' Fallout: Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles (Exclusive)

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First, quote or @ me breh. Secondly, to your point, there was nothing ambitious or risky about Guardians. Marvel already had films out that made billions. If it tanked, so what. You disagree with my opinion of BvS being ambitious, cool:yeshrug:A superhero film that questions being a superhero or if people deserve to be saved is ambitious. A comic book film in this era that doesn't acquiesce to the childish need for bright colors and constant humor, especially when it's only the second film in their attempt to build a cinematic universe, is ambitious. Deadpool was ambitious. Fox was coming off a critical failure in Fantastic 4 and put a lesser known property out that was a direct parody of the whole genre. Doctor Strange was the Marvel movie I was hoping would be ambitious but it'll probably just be another good movie because the studio has their formula and has no reason to go against it and felt the need to whitewash a character for no reason

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I dapped you for the legit response, doe. That's rare in comic book threads:salute:

I want to make a comment about that point specifically. I would agree that a film that tackles the power and responsibility dilemma could be ambitious, but my stance is that BvS did not do that. And they had a perfect opportunity to do so.

The most disappointing scene in the film for me wasn't Martha, or Batman murking criminals, or CG Doomsday, or any of Luthors scenes, it was the court scene. When I first saw the trailer, I thought to myself, despite all of the stupid shyt being thrown at the screen, THIS looks like it could be interesting. :jbhmm:



Superman having to address a court, speak to the American people, hell speak to the entire world, and take an actual stance on who he is and what his place is in this world.:ehh:

I was looking forward to that more than anything else in the film. What would be his response? How would he answer to "This is how democracy works. We talk to each other." I thought this could have been a great 5-7 minute scene of truth and character building and thought provoking debate. But no, the court room exploded before Superman could even say a word. So apparently democracy is talking to each other, but this movie is about avoiding that talk, and instead having shyt blow up. :martin:

So we don't get to hear him defend himself, we don't get to hear him apologize, or not apologize, or express a counterpoint to the popular narrative, or talk about growing up on a farm, or talk about his ethos, or talk about being a man vs being a God, or talk about how the love of his family or the love of his life factors into who he is, or literally.....anything. He doesn't share a single piece of himself. All we get is him brooding after the explosion. What a wasted opportunity for the film to deliver an interesting and poignant character moment for Superman and one that would explicitly tackle the theme of being a superhero and if people deserve to be saved. That moment should have been used to give Superman, a character so many say is boring and emotionless, a voice that would connect to the audience, in world and out, but instead they used that moment for a piss joke and an explosion.

This is why I say it was an on the surface look at it's themes. The potentially compelling aspects of the film was just undermined at damn near every point, and all that truly was left to like was Batman's action scenes. :yeshrug:At least for me.
 
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You can laugh at the tone of Guardians of the Galaxy.

I like this film a lot but would I have preferred a more serious climax with Ronan? Yes because villains are every bit as important to comics as their hero adversaries. One note villains are what you'd expect from an 80s action flick with Arnold. An ambitious film explores both sides. No Country for Old Men is an incredible film. Marvel hasn't come close to capturing high end cinema.
 

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so the stakes were high in green lantern then...

every movie has a supervillain who wants to destroy earth. the stakes stem more from the danger they present to our main character(s).
You know you are being ridiculous with this don't you? If Superman dying was the end of any shots of telling his story due to not other story ever having stakes as high then all Superman comic books should have been cancelled after the Doomsday storyline. There are other stories to tell with stakes in the "planet/universe" level as well as stakes on a more personal and emotional level.
 

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I want to make a comment about that point specifically. I would agree that a film that tackles the power and responsibility dilemma could be ambitious, but my stance is that BvS did not do that. And they had a perfect opportunity to do so.

The most disappointing scene in the film for me wasn't Martha, or Batman murking criminals, or CG Doomsday, or any of Luthors scenes, it was the court scene. When I first saw the trailer, I thought to myself, despite all of the stupid shyt being thrown at the screen, THIS looks like it could be interesting. :jbhmm:



Superman having to address a court, speak to the American people, hell speak to the entire world, and take an actual stance on who he is and what his place is in this world.:ehh:

I was looking forward to that more than anything else in the film. What would be his response? How would he answer to "This is how democracy works. We talk to each other." I thought this could have been a great 5-7 minute scene of truth and character building and thought provoking debate. But no, the court room exploded before Superman could even say a word. So apparently democracy is talking to each other, but this movie is about avoiding that talk, and instead having shyt blow up. :martin:

So we don't get to hear him defend himself, we don't get to hear him apologize, or not apologize, or express a counterpoint to the popular narrative, or talk about growing up on a farm, or talk about his ethos, or talk about being a man vs being a God, or talk about how the love of his family or the love of his life factors into who he is, or literally.....anything. He doesn't share a single piece of himself. All we get is him brooding after the explosion. What a wasted opportunity for the film to deliver an interesting and poignant character moment for Superman and one that would explicitly tackle the theme of being a superhero and if people deserve to be saved. That moment should have been used to give Superman, a character so many say is boring and emotionless, a voice that would connect to the audience, in world and out, but instead they used that moment for a piss joke and an explosion.

This is why I say it was an on the surface look at it's themes. The potentially compelling aspects of the film was just undermined at damn near every point, and all that truly was left to like was Batman's action scenes. :yeshrug:At least for me.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I feel the things you wanted to be addressed though the courtroom scene were touch on through the film directly and indirectly. I'm personally a fan of movies conveying points without overt exposition. I'm on my phone right now so I can't go more in depth but if you want to continue the conversation I can once I get back to my computer.

@Won Won Nobody said anything about risky. It was about being ambitious. Marvel had nothing to lose by releasing Guardians regardless so it wasn't even actually risky, but there's nothing ambitious about that movie. It's prototypical Disney.
 

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A political thriller is a thriller that is set against the backdrop of a political power struggle. They usually involve various extra-legal plots, designed to give political power to someone, while his opponents try to stop him. They can involve national or international political scenarios. Political corruption, terrorism, and warfare are common themes.




Yeah, that doesn't sound like The Winter Soldier whatsoever :martin:
The Winter Soldier was an action/adventure...y'all need to stop with this political thriller nonsense.
 

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If at any point in BvS you went :jbhmm: you need your head checked. That goes for all these comicbook movies. Seriously doesnt take a lot of brain power to understand these shyts :heh:
 

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I want to make a comment about that point specifically. I would agree that a film that tackles the power and responsibility dilemma could be ambitious, but my stance is that BvS did not do that. And they had a perfect opportunity to do so.

The most disappointing scene in the film for me wasn't Martha, or Batman murking criminals, or CG Doomsday, or any of Luthors scenes, it was the court scene. When I first saw the trailer, I thought to myself, despite all of the stupid shyt being thrown at the screen, THIS looks like it could be interesting. :jbhmm:



Superman having to address a court, speak to the American people, hell speak to the entire world, and take an actual stance on who he is and what his place is in this world.:ehh:

I was looking forward to that more than anything else in the film. What would be his response? How would he answer to "This is how democracy works. We talk to each other." I thought this could have been a great 5-7 minute scene of truth and character building and thought provoking debate. But no, the court room exploded before Superman could even say a word. So apparently democracy is talking to each other, but this movie is about avoiding that talk, and instead having shyt blow up. :martin:

So we don't get to hear him defend himself, we don't get to hear him apologize, or not apologize, or express a counterpoint to the popular narrative, or talk about growing up on a farm, or talk about his ethos, or talk about being a man vs being a God, or talk about how the love of his family or the love of his life factors into who he is, or literally.....anything. He doesn't share a single piece of himself. All we get is him brooding after the explosion. What a wasted opportunity for the film to deliver an interesting and poignant character moment for Superman and one that would explicitly tackle the theme of being a superhero and if people deserve to be saved. That moment should have been used to give Superman, a character so many say is boring and emotionless, a voice that would connect to the audience, in world and out, but instead they used that moment for a piss joke and an explosion.

This is why I say it was an on the surface look at it's themes. The potentially compelling aspects of the film was just undermined at damn near every point, and all that truly was left to like was Batman's action scenes. :yeshrug:At least for me.

Got damn stop it! :damn:

And I totally agree. They dropped the ball big time. They were so obsessed with trying to catch up they threw together a slop movie when MOS2 featuring superman and the whole political thing they were trying to set up would have been great. The Wayne employee and the senator lady were good characters to me and they killed them both halfway through the movie :mjlol:
 

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Now a $175M movie starring D-list characters that include a talking tree and racc00n, directed by the guy best known for directing Slither and writing the Scooby Doo movies, isn't "risky" :heh:

guardians was a risk. ant-man was a big risk. they were calculated risks by marvel. their success makes doctor strange less risky. but risks, all the same. neither of those comics really move units (GoG does, but some of that is actually do to the movie; they didnt cross over until they hit the screen).

anyone who would argue that putting those two brands in the rotation wasnt risky is full of shyt.
 

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I want to make a comment about that point specifically. I would agree that a film that tackles the power and responsibility dilemma could be ambitious, but my stance is that BvS did not do that. And they had a perfect opportunity to do so.

The most disappointing scene in the film for me wasn't Martha, or Batman murking criminals, or CG Doomsday, or any of Luthors scenes, it was the court scene. When I first saw the trailer, I thought to myself, despite all of the stupid shyt being thrown at the screen, THIS looks like it could be interesting. :jbhmm:



Superman having to address a court, speak to the American people, hell speak to the entire world, and take an actual stance on who he is and what his place is in this world.:ehh:

I was looking forward to that more than anything else in the film. What would be his response? How would he answer to "This is how democracy works. We talk to each other." I thought this could have been a great 5-7 minute scene of truth and character building and thought provoking debate. But no, the court room exploded before Superman could even say a word. So apparently democracy is talking to each other, but this movie is about avoiding that talk, and instead having shyt blow up. :martin:

So we don't get to hear him defend himself, we don't get to hear him apologize, or not apologize, or express a counterpoint to the popular narrative, or talk about growing up on a farm, or talk about his ethos, or talk about being a man vs being a God, or talk about how the love of his family or the love of his life factors into who he is, or literally.....anything. He doesn't share a single piece of himself. All we get is him brooding after the explosion. What a wasted opportunity for the film to deliver an interesting and poignant character moment for Superman and one that would explicitly tackle the theme of being a superhero and if people deserve to be saved. That moment should have been used to give Superman, a character so many say is boring and emotionless, a voice that would connect to the audience, in world and out, but instead they used that moment for a piss joke and an explosion.

This is why I say it was an on the surface look at it's themes. The potentially compelling aspects of the film was just undermined at damn near every point, and all that truly was left to like was Batman's action scenes. :yeshrug:At least for me.


I would respectfully disagree on the court scene which is my favorite part of the entire scene. The PREDICTABLE thing to expect is to hold a Senate court hearing and have Superman come through and give this all-American speech about so-called "truth, justice, and the American way". You come in prepared and expecting it, and Lex Luthor had OTHER plans which, for me, caught people off-guard. It was something that even Superman admits caught him off-guard, saying he wasn't looking and it humbled him something serious. Terrorism, no matter where it is coming from isn't going to wait for anyone... it comes at the least expected moment and that was a proper moment to do it right BEFORE Superman gets heard, because the whole agenda was tarnish the image and worship of Superman to the public eye and allowing the government to give Lex exclusive right and authorization to take him down by any means necessary.

In the end, through the Christian allegory of God sacrificing his life to save mankind, you see how people embraced Superman with an universal statement that he's within all of us. Even changed the mindset of Batman in regards of humanity by stating that people are good. You didn't NEED some cliche Superman speech that we seen or heard time and time. You need a tale where you see how terrorism and political gain from terrorism works, you need to see how people FAITH is tested or even shattered and blaming GOD for everything bad that happens, and you need to SEE how GOD is willing to sacrifice his life for WE can live.

I said this plenty of times, the entire story of BvS is a Christian allegory of the Passion of Christ.
 

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Better send a tweet to Feige and the Russo's then

Nobody is claiming it's All the President's Men
But some are...we did a thread here about best political thrillers a while ago and dudes were mentioning Winter Soldier in there.
 
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