Batman 89 will go down as the bigger classic than TDK

[Master Teacher]

Because you're acting like YOU'RE the only one breh. So have I. screenwriting classes, writing classes, freaking professional writer, like I get paid for a living TO write, etc. So the fact that you're acting like you're the writer here which makes you the authority, it sours your argument. I can't hear whatever facts and good points you may be making because you're coming off like a jackass lol. No one likes condescension breh, especially in this forum. Do I agree with you on every point you've made? No not at all. Do you have good points? Yes. But you acting like your head is up your ass isn't going to get the job done with me.

What type of writer are you then

you can't be a screenwriter if you don't know what plot and a story is

plus classes don't mean anything, there's not a class on this earth that will make a great writer or story teller, you can either do not or can't

I straight up asked what the plot was and you gave me a summary

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Not engaging on what level breh?

meaning for lack of a better term, the movie can be very boring. the plot becomes way too bloated and there are too many dull characters moving it forward. it could have used a much tighter edit.

believe it or not my favorite character in that movie after joker is alfred. he is the only other character in the film that has any life in him. dent, gordon, rachel, BRUCE... no charisma and no charm whatsoever. all dull drones and watching them carry on can be sleep inducing.

michael keaton did not have much to do as bruce wayne, but when he is on screen he has a certain presence to him and an energy that draws you to him. the scene where bruce, vicki and alfred have dinner just feels more fun and more human than anything going on in TDK, where everyone is mopey and brooding. in fact at times they feel less like actual people and more like walking thesis papers. just so fukking dull.

I often see dark knight compared to heat but heat had so much more ENERGY!

 

[MartyMcFly]

What type of writer are you then

you can't be a screenwriter if you don't know what plot and a story is

plus classes don't mean anything, there's not a class on this earth that will make a great writer or story teller, you can either do not or can't

I straight up asked what the plot was and you gave me a summary

Here's the plot jackass if plot is based on cause and effect: Since batman begins, batman has waged a war on crime, trying to rub out the mob block by block and because of his actions, the mob enlists the joker to do their dirty work. After a series of crimes all arranged by the joker in an effort to unmask batman and also show how corrupt and evil the city is, batman then decides to several times to step even further outside of the law to get the job done, but not without people or values being sacrificed in the process.

Story is narrative, plot is narrative with a cause and effect. Damn near everything that happens in this movie is cause and effect:

The mob decides to pool their money together which causes their accountant to flee to Hong Kong
Batman gets him out of Hong Kong which then causes the mob to hire the joker to take out batman.

Like I said, whether you like the plot enough or don't think it does anything for you is one thing but it's there. It's one thing for me to say "Batman's values and morals are tested in a battle vs the joker" that's the story; simple and plain. It's another thing when I say "Batman's values and morals are tested with great loss and sacrifice and through questionable tactics in a battle vs the joker" which is the plot.

I think you got on someone earlier for "telling you the movie" when they described the plot, which is exactly what the plot is; it's the details, the intricacies of how you get from point A to point B rather than the general outline of which a story is

 

[Master Teacher]

Here's the plot jackass if plot is based on cause and effect: Since batman begins, batman has waged a war on crime, trying to rub out the mob block by block and because of his actions, the mob enlists the joker to do their dirty work. After a series of crimes all arranged by the joker in an effort to unmask batman and also show how corrupt and evil the city is, batman then decides to several times to step even further outside of the law to get the job done, but not without people or values being sacrificed in the process.

Story is narrative, plot is narrative with a cause and effect. Damn near everything that happens in this movie is cause and effect:

The mob decides to pool their money together which causes their accountant to flee to Hong Kong
Batman gets him out of Hong Kong which then causes the mob to hire the joker to take out batman.

Like I said, whether you like the plot enough or don't think it does anything for you is one thing but it's there. It's one thing for me to say "Batman's values and morals are tested in a battle vs the joker" that's the story; simple and plain. It's another thing when I say "Batman's values and morals are tested with great loss and sacrifice and through questionable tactics in a battle vs the joker" which is the plot.

I think you got on someone earlier for "telling you the movie" when they described the plot, which is exactly what the plot is; it's the details, the intricacies of how you get from point A to point B rather than the general outline of which a story is

You keep doing the same thing over and over again

I know your trying to defend a movie you like, but not having the plot is the least of the concerns

Guardians of the Galaxy didn't have a plot either

let edit so you don't get on for grammar

What described is happening not what the movie is about

 

[MartyMcFly]

You keep doing the same thing over and over again

I know your trying to defend a movie you like, but not having the plot is the less of the concerns

Guardians of the Galaxy didn't have a plot either

Breh I'm done. Think what you want man but that is the plot of the movie. I was taught that plot is causality..the intricacies of how you get from point a to point b and I just showed you that. Everything that happens in this movie is the result of something that comes before it. Every action is the result of someone else's action whether it be the mob, or the joker, or lau, or dent, or batman. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Master Teacher]

Breh I'm done. Think what you want man but that is the plot of the movie. I was taught that plot is causality..the intricacies of how you get from point a to point b and I just showed you that. Everything that happens in this movie is the result of something that comes before it. Every action is the result of someone else's action whether it be the mob, or the joker, or lau, or dent, or batman. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

You should be able to tell me the plot without bringing up lau, he's barely in the movie, the mob is in background, and has nothing to do with the conclusion of the film

The dark knight is just a series of events, there's no plot, it's just a story, which would be fine if it was interesting, but it' all over the place and drags on far too long

If I asked somebody what friday was about, they would say some nikkaz hanging in the hood on friday

that's not a plot

the movie has no plot, it's just a series of events, yet it's still good

 

[Fury616]

How is 89 a more landmark film? Nobody talk about that shyt no more. Wasn't dark knight the highest grossing film ever at one point? Yaw tripping.

Batman 89 was the biggest movie in history at that time. The shyt was nuts.

These 90s kids forget there was no internet back then. Everything was merchandise, magazines, commercials, etc. shyt today pales in comparison because marketing is so easy wit viral internet shyt. Not to mention comic movies were shyt back then so it was make or break it for those guys. We'd probably be in a different reality if Batman 89 wasn't successful.

 

[StraxStrax]

What type of writer are you then

you can't be a screenwriter if you don't know what plot and a story is

plus classes don't mean anything, there's not a class on this earth that will make a great writer or story teller, you can either do not or can't

I straight up asked what the plot was and you gave me a summary

Is this a dikk measuring contest?

You act like you are the only writer here. You are not.

I've won screenplay competitions judged by producers and writers of award winning films. I've been taught by Oscar nominated and Cannes winning directors/writers. I beat 500 other people for a job as a copywriter for one of the biggest ad agency in the world that has worldwide staff of over 11000. This month I wrote a screenplay for an ad the will cost over 100 thousand dollars to produce.

But I don't act like I know everything. I know that I don't know everything.
I could bring this up everytime someone disagrees with me but I don't because I'm not a dikk.

 

[Seven1986]

Remember these shyts?

This is my childhood bro!

 

[MartyMcFly]

Is this a dikk measuring contest?

You act like you are the only writer here. You are not.

I've won screenplay competitions judged by producers and writers of award winning films. I've been taught by Oscar nominated and Cannes winning directors/writers. I beat 500 other people for a job as a copywriter for one of the biggest ad agency in the world that has worldwide staff of over 11000. This month I wrote a screenplay for an ad the will cost over 100 thousand dollars to produce.

But I don't act like I know everything. I know that I don't know everything.
I could bring this up everytime someone disagrees with me but I don't because I'm not a dikk.

 

[Master Teacher]

Is this a dikk measuring contest?

You act like you are the only writer here. You are not.

I've won screenplay competitions judged by producers and writers of award winning films. I've been taught by Oscar nominated and Cannes winning directors/writers. I beat 500 other people for a job as a copywriter for one of the biggest ad agency in the world that has worldwide staff of over 11000. This month I wrote a screenplay for an ad the will cost over 100 thousand dollars to produce.

But I don't act like I know everything. I know that I don't know everything.
I could bring this up everytime someone disagrees with me but I don't because I'm not a dikk.

Yet you don't understand the difference between plot and story

I didn't say I know everything, but I do know plot and story, and the differences

I don't got to list credentials, I ALREADY POINTED OUT THE DIFFERENCES, because it's something I already know

I don't give a fukk what you won

you don't even know the difference between plot and story

screenplay competitions are a waste of time anyway

There plenty of movies that have come out without plots, listed some it's not some new thing

Don't know what you are so upset about

this movie is only going to get worst and worst as time passes

 

[Dev2103]

generation wars and nostalgia just with a movie instead of music this time..what else is new. dark knight wins though

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

I watched Batman 89' last year after not seeing it since I was a kid. To me 89' batman solidified the characters outside of a cartoon setting. TDK gave you a more in depth look into the makings of Bruce Wayne and the birth of BatMan. I don't think one trumps the other because they're from different times with different styles of cinematography and a different style of storytelling.

People hate Batman Forever but I love that movie.

 

[Sccit]

batman returns is the best

/end thread

 

[Ain't That Something]

TDK is universally praised as a masterpiece by professional critics and fans alike world wide, but we should throw those reviews away for some clown on the coli because he is a writer with nothing to his credit

Alright breh we believe you @Master Teacher