Basketball Vs. Soccer, Which Sport requires more Athleticism/Skill???

[Sterling Archer]

Bunch of people that aint played no competitive sports posting in here.
Thread had potential. But it was posted in TLR.

 

[Blade]

Scoring off screens is like 90% of all offense in the NBA now lol. And just because someone is not scoring, doesn't mean there isn't off ball movement. Plus you just state that there are switches throughout the game, which means a screen was set somewhere.

Scoring while coming off a screen (ie.. running routes off ball) is not the same thing as scoring using an on-ball screen, the latter is how the majority of the plays start. The former isn't.

EDIT, as for the switches, no. Your star player almost always has the weakest option from the opposing team cuz he dont have the endurance to play on both ends so he has to save it on offense. And this shyt is only prevalent in today's NBA.

 

[poppastoppa]

Scoring while coming off a screen is not the same thing as scoring using an on-ball screen, which is how the majority of the plays start. You are mixing the two.

You brought up the scoring aspect, my initial post was

Chase Steph Curry, Reggie Miller, or Ray Allen around screens all night and see if you can go a full 48 lol.

Then you said

Scoring off screens accounts for what, 10 to 12 percent of GS actual offense? For majority of the teams, that number is in the single digits. So that ain't full 48 min bruh. Basketball games got plenty of rest time. FFS, you got your main stars being switched onto the options 4/5 on the floor so they can preserve their energy to score.

Not once did you say on-ball or off-ball

But back to my point watch this video to get an understanding of what i mean.

 

[filial_piety]

What's so funny is you see these gifs of some soccer player making these dribbling moves and the result is 80% nothing.
That's like a player crossing up people but only scoring or assisting on 2 out of 10 drives. Hot Sauce has a better percentage than that.

Yeah when I see these soccer players crossing the ball behind one leg, and just running down the field kicking the ball and passing it, and then kicking it around in circles only for nothing to happen, it just doesn't come off as impressive.

People can say what they want, I just feel that if you gave almost anyone with an ounce of athletic skill a chance, they could basically do the same thing or just as much ...die hard soccer fans will SWEAR on 100 Qurans that there's just so much more to it....but I just don't see it.

The eye,hand, and foot coordination of an NBA PG crossover and ability to hit a J from 22 feet into the hoop while being defended by someone and to do it consistently is on another level of athleticism imo

 

[Blade]

You brought up the scoring aspect, my initial post was



Then you said



Not once did you say on-ball or off-ball

But back to my point watch this video to get an understanding of what i mean.

Ite, i should have clarified before off ball/on ball action, but to act like the majority of the teams are running the same offball actions as GS is absolutely false.

Second though, you are using Klay, the guy who scored the most baskets last season coming off offball screens, and acting like he's the norm.

I mean, look at the first play, how much energy was actually expended defending the first shot? JR Smith too lazy to actually chase Klay, and TT has to switch off his man to contest Klay.

 

[Goon for hire]

This is so far from the truth its laughable. You only really see this with big men. Most guards have been playing for almost all their lives. Because you never played high school doesn't mean you didn't play organized basketball. Its literally tapes of Steve Francis playing since a kid, and he was also heavy on the AAU circuit.

And this skill argument that is being said that basketball players are not as skillful is ridiculous. I've been around NBA players while practicing, the things that they can do with a basketball is mind blowing. Take any player from either sport and make them play the other sport, they both wouldn't be able to dribbling or shoot/score at nowhere near the level of professionals. With that being said, athleticism favors basketball hands down, skill is pretty even.

And really how much skill does it really take to be a goalie?

My bad breh, I never knew about the Steve Francis bit.

But my point still stands, it is extremely rare but it does happen at the guard spot, it’s just those nikkas use athletic ability to make up for their lack of skill.

Now am I saying they have absolutely no basketball skill whatsoever? Not at all, they are obviously still extremely skilled players who would wipe the court with anybody, they have multiple go to dribble moves and most likely be automatic from anywhere on the court.

But it’s true that there are a lot of people who make up for their lack of basketball skill and development with athleticism

 

[poppastoppa]

Ite, i should have clarified before off ball/on ball action, but to act like the majority of the teams are running the same offball actions as GS is absolutely false.

Second though, you are using Klay, the guy who scored the most baskets last season coming off offball screens, and acting like he's the norm.

I mean, look at the first play, how much energy was actually expended defending the first shot? JR Smith too lazy to actually chase Klay, and TT has to switch off his man to contest Klay.

Most play's include some type of off-ball screening action bruh. Just because that possession that player didn't score or the ball didn't come to them doesn't negate that fact. And no Klay didn't have to expend much energy, but the people guarding him do. Its much harder to play defense then it is to play offense. I really believe you have never played organized basketball at a high level to understand these concepts.

 

[010101]

only non skilled players are the bigs

& that is fading away in today's game

it's like expecting backline defenders & goalkeepers to have the touch of frontline forwards

that never happens

but in basketball you get crazy combinations of extreme physical gifts & extreme skill

football is a wave but hoops is the gawd of ballgames

*

 

[Blade]

Most play's include some type of off-ball screening action bruh. Just because that possession that player didn't score or the ball didn't come to them doesn't negate that fact. And no Klay didn't have to expend much energy, but the people guarding him do. Its much harder to play defense then it is to play offense. I really believe you have never played organized basketball at a high level to understand these concepts.

How much energy did JR Smith and TT expend in the first play on the off screen curl?

ACtually, ill hit you with this, why do you think switching is so rampant in today's league.

 

[Nemesis]

Nah y'all got your definition of athleticism mixed up. Marathon runners cover 26.2 miles, I guess that makes them the most athletic.
How many miles does a Boxer cover in a bout? Yet they are widely regarded as the best athletes.

how many overweight soccer players have you seen??

how many soccer players in their mid 30s do you see playing top flight soccer .....

dudes that only play 48 minutes with multiple breaks and time outs on a court less than a quarter of a size of soccer field ... lol keep kidding yourself

soccer players play double that amount of time, a full 90 mins plus extra time

 

[Nemesis]

Here's a better example of why the shyt is hard as fukk to do...

The ignorant aint trying to hear the truth

 

[poppastoppa]

My bad breh, I never knew about the Steve Francis bit.

But my point still stands, it is extremely rare but it does happen at the guard spot, it’s just those nikkas use athletic ability to make up for their lack of skill.

Now am I saying they have absolutely no basketball skill whatsoever? Not at all, they are obviously still extremely skilled players who would wipe the court with anybody, they have multiple go to dribble moves and most likely be automatic from anywhere on the court.

But it’s true that there are a lot of people who make up for their lack of basketball skill and development with athleticism

Not on the professional level. You get easily exposed for being one dimensional. I've been in professional locker rooms, practices, games, work outs etc. The level of skill that these players have is crazy and if all you can do is run and jump then nah you not gonna make it in the league. If that was the case these And-1 dunking players would have been in the league too. The only exception to this comes with big men over 7 feet.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Mods move this to the Coliseum.

 

[TNOT]

My bad breh, I never knew about the Steve Francis bit.

But my point still stands, it is extremely rare but it does happen at the guard spot, it’s just those nikkas use athletic ability to make up for their lack of skill.

Now am I saying they have absolutely no basketball skill whatsoever? Not at all, they are obviously still extremely skilled players who would wipe the court with anybody, they have multiple go to dribble moves and most likely be automatic from anywhere on the court.

But it’s true that there are a lot of people who make up for their lack of basketball skill and development with athleticism

Not in the NBA.

 

[poppastoppa]

How much energy did JR Smith and TT expend in the first play on the off screen curl?

ACtually, ill hit you with this, why do you think switching is so rampant in today's league.

People are switching has always been part of the game. You see it more today, because teams are playing much more on the perimeter while using flare and on-ball screens to create mismatches. You don't really have post players like that anymore where the game was played from inside out.