Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[OG_StankBrefs]

Xactly what i thought. Your L's right ova dere breh.

 

[the cac mamba]

fact about men being created in the image of God..

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

If we followed the morals of the bible we'd stone people to death for working on Sunday. Or tell slaves to obey their masters, or sell our daughters as sex slaves, or commit genocide because god told us too. Morals change overtime, in fact your morals as a religious person are not dictated by your religion, they are dictated by society. What was considered moral a few hundred years ago is completely different from what is considered moral today. And guess what, it's not the bible that has changed, its people.

It's simple, my morals come from society, and my experiences as a human.

 

[Bud Bundy]

If we followed the morals of the bible we'd stone people to death for working on Sunday. Or tell slaves to obey their masters, or sell our daughters as sex slaves, or commit genocide because god told us too. Morals change overtime, in fact your morals as a religious person are not dictated by your religion, they are dictated by society. What was considered moral a few hundred years ago is completely different from what is considered moral today. And guess what, it's not the bible that has changed, its people.

It's simple, my morals come from society, and my experiences as a human.

the people who claim there morals come from god always forget this type of stuff.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Xactly what i thought. Your L's right ova dere breh.

You DON'T think, bytch. Move along.​

 

[blackslash]

AN ATHEISTIC VIEW COULD ALSO FIND THESE THINGS TABOO BASED ON DEONTOLOGY, UTILITARIANISM, EGOISM, SITUATIONALISM, INTELLECTUALISM, WELFARISM, PRAGMATISM, OR VIRTUISM, BROTHER! YOU HAVE INCORRECTLY ASSUMED ATHEISM NECESSITATES AN ETHOS BASED PURELY ON SOCIAL DARWINISM, DUDE! IT DEMONSTRABLY DOES NOT!


YOU ARE MAKING AN IS INTO AN OUGHT, BROTHER! A DESCRIPTION OF THE NATURAL WORLD DOES NOT PROVIDE A PRESCRIPTION FOR MORALS, NECESSARILY!


YOU'RE CONFLATING NATURE WITH FASHION NOW, CHAMP! A SOCIAL ANIMAL LIKE HOMO SAPIENS SURVIVES THROUGH ACCORD! FORCIBLE RAPE PRODUCES DISCORD, NOT MERE DISDAIN, BROTHER!


YES I BELIEVE I'VE SHOWN YOU THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER NOW, DUDE!

Exactly...
I'll say this again

In order for there to be a moral law, there needs to be a moral lawgiver
And again my argument is not that you need to believe in God to live a moral life
Nor am I saying we must believe in God to recognize objective moral values

What I am arguing is.. if you believe God doesnt exist how can you believe that objective moral values and duties exist

If God does not exist it has profound implications
It becomes impossible to condemn war, oppression and crime as evil
Nor can we praise things such as love, equality,or self sacrifice as good

It doesnt matter what values you choose for there is no right or wrong.
Good and evil do not exist.

That means an atrocity like the holocaust was really just morally indifferent
You may think that it was wrong, but the Nazi perpetrators that carried it out thought that it was good

There is no objective reason man should do anything except for the pleasure it rewards him.

Acts of self sacrifice become particularly imprudent on a naturalistic worldview.
Why should you sacrifice your self interest and especially, your life for the sake of someone else.
There can be no good reason for adopting such a self negating course of action in the naturalistic worldview.

Consider it from the socio-biological point of view, such altruistic behavior is merely the result of evolutionary conditioning which helps to perpetuate the species.

A soldier throwing his body over a hand grenade to save his comrades is like a fighter ant which sacrifices itself for the sake of the ant hill.

Common sense dictates that we should resist the socio-biological pressures to such self destructive activity and choose instead to act in our best self interest.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Exactly...
I'll say this again

In order for there to be a moral law, there needs to be a moral lawgiver


This statement is completely false. You just assert something's true and offer no evidence. So people had no morals before the bible?

Moral's are a product of living togethor with one another in a society.

Science of morality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[blackslash]

Exactly...
I'll say this again

In order for there to be a moral law, there needs to be a moral lawgiver


This statement is completely false. You just assert something's true and offer no evidence. So people had no morals before the bible?

Moral's are a product of living togethor with one another in a society.

Science of morality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats not what that means

Im not saying people dnt have morals without the belief of God but Im saying without God there are no moral obligations or objective moral values

Did you read the rest of my post? I address that very thing you linked in the rest of my post

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Thats not what that means

Im not saying people dnt have morals without the belief of God but Im saying without God there are no moral obligations or objective moral values

Did you read the rest of my post? I address that very thing you linked in the rest of my post

I dont agree with your post, Im an atheist and I have moral obligations and objective moral values. The idea that religion is the source of morality, or moral values is absurd to me. It's something most religious people claim, that their religion gives them the moral high ground in all ways.

I dont believe in any gods, but that doesnt stop my responsibility to my parents, my wife, my kids, my friends, my community. Even the human race as a whole, I would love to be able to contribute something to the world that would change it in a positive way. I have moral values, I work hard and am kind to the people around me. I try not to lie or take advantage of people. I could go on and on, the reason I do these things is because I enjoy living in a society. I enjoy the company of people, and I dont put myself above others.

I know a lot of religious people, and truthfully religious people do more fukked up things than anyone else. Asserting that youre better than me because of your beliefs is offensive.

 

[Ohene]

Your original post is fukking stupid. I have morality because I'm a human, not a sociopath.

this. i dont adhere to the principles of Catholicism and the church/bible. Instead I adhere to those of my parents; to the values they instilled within me growing up. That being said, my parents are catholic

 

[blackslash]

I dont agree with your post, Im an atheist and I have moral obligations and objective moral values. The idea that religion is the source of morality, or moral values is absurd to me. It's something most religious people claim, that their religion gives them the moral high ground in all ways.

I dont believe in any gods, but that doesnt stop my responsibility to my parents, my wife, my kids, my friends, my community. Even the human race as a whole, I would love to be able to contribute something to the world that would change it in a positive way. I have moral values, I work hard and am kind to the people around me. I try not to lie or take advantage of people. I could go on and on, the reason I do these things is because I enjoy living in a society. I enjoy the company of people, and I dont put myself above others.

I know a lot of religious people, and truthfully religious people do more fukked up things than anyone else. Asserting that youre better than me because of your beliefs is offensive.

You keep straying away from my argument breh..Im not even talm bout religion we're talkin bout objective morality.

There is no such thing as "positive" when it comes to the actions you make.
There's no moral difference between lying and telling the truth
It doesnt matter what values you choose for there is no right or wrong.
Good and evil do not exist.

There is no values transcendent of us that decides whether the values we choose to live by are wrong or right.

I will re quote this again

"Consider it from the socio-biological point of view, such altruistic behavior is merely the result of evolutionary conditioning which helps to perpetuate the species.

A soldier throwing his body over a hand grenade to save his comrades is like a fighter ant which sacrifices itself for the sake of the ant hill.

Common sense dictates that we should resist the socio-biological pressures to such self destructive activity and choose instead to act in our best self interest"

The whole moral dimension you're trying to impute in these actions cant exist if you dnt believe in God.

They are just mere illusory products that come from societal and evolutionary conditioning that are there for the survival of the species

But thats all it is...an illusion and it like I said, common sense dictates we should resist these pressures and live for our own best self interest.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

You DON'T think, bytch. Move along.​

Say breh, how's mah ass taste?

Spoiler

 

[Box Cutta]

Thats not what that means

Im not saying people dnt have morals without the belief of God but Im saying without God there are no moral obligations or objective moral values

Did you read the rest of my post? I address that very thing you linked in the rest of my post

Maybe so, but to the atheist, this isn't exactly a big deal....things have always been this way.

 

[blackslash]

Maybe so, but to the atheist, this isn't exactly a big deal....things have always been this way.

See thats all im saying...This thread isnt towards Atheists who accept this

Rather the ones that go around acting as if the values they live by are better than anyone else's on a moral plane

breh


Man fck this thread..sht is taking too much time away from my Hov stannery


Tc brethren Ima stay my ass in the booth

 

[TheDream]

If you need religion to have morals then you're not actually a good person. You're simply a coward who is afraid of an imaginary being in the sky. I don't need religion to base my morals and values.