Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[NoMayo15]

If the moral principles that govern our behavior are rooted in habit, custom, feeling and fashion, then the rapist that goes against the herd morality is doing nothing more serious than acting unfashionably.

Now my post isnt towards those that agree with my post rather the atheists that believe in an objective morality.

To me it seems your question is "If atheists reject the notion of absolute morality, how can they say anything moral/immoral?". Is that correct?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

thou shall not lust after another mans wife go

If there is 3 people left on earth, you and a husband and wife. The survival of the human race depends on you all alone but the husband is infertile. You have to fukk his wife and cum inside her to save the human race.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Animals have no moral obligations to one another.

DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES AND YOUR DEFINITION OF MORAL OBLIGATION, BROTHER! YOU GAVE LIONS AS AN EXAMPLE, DUDE! MEMBERS OF A LION PRIDE COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER TO ENSURE GROUP SURVIVAL, MEAN GENE! THEY DON'T SLASH EACH OTHER'S THROATS OUT WHEN IT'S TIME FOR LUNCH!

BUT AS FOR OTHER COMPETING LION PRIDES, OR PACKS OF HYENAS, OR SNAKES, OR PREY ANIMALS, BROTHER? THEY GET CLAWED UP AND BIT QUICK, DUDE!

YOU COULD COMPARE THIS TO MEMBERS OF A HUMAN TRIBE PROTECTING ONE ANOTHER AND CARING FOR EACH OTHER, BUT QUICKLY GOING TO WAR WITH A COMPETING TRIBE, BROTHER!


AS FOR OBJECTIVE MORALITY, YOU CAN'T GET THAT FROM GOD, BROTHER! THE ONLY THING YOU CAN GET THERE IS AUTHORITARIAN ETHICS, DUDE! WHY IS RIGHT RIGHT AND WRONG WRONG? BECAUSE GOD SAID SO! HOW DO WE KNOW GOD IS CORRECT? YOU CAN'T QUESTION IT, GENE! THAT'S NOT OBJECTIVITY, THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE MODEL, BROTHER!

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Why didn't other cultures know what should happen?

For example, all over the Americas, infant sacrifices were considered morally acceptable and honorable to appease religious obligations. Why didn't they know what should happen?

I'll wait.

Now, you're not differentiating between absolute morality (ought), relative morality (culture), and fact (is).
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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Dafuncdoc stay wit da "I'm not religious..but " ' n.

Religion has nothing to do with absolute morality. If it did, then you wouldn't possess it.....yet, you do.

Shut your trollin' azz up.​

 

[blackslash]

DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES AND YOUR DEFINITION OF MORAL OBLIGATION, BROTHER! YOU GAVE LIONS AS AN EXAMPLE, DUDE! MEMBERS OF A LION PRIDE COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER TO ENSURE GROUP SURVIVAL, MEAN GENE! THEY DON'T SLASH EACH OTHER'S THROATS OUT WHEN IT'S TIME FOR LUNCH!

BUT AS FOR OTHER COMPETING LION PRIDES, OR PACKS OF HYENAS, OR SNAKES, OR PREY ANIMALS, BROTHER? THEY GET CLAWED UP AND BIT QUICK, DUDE!

YOU COULD COMPARE THIS TO MEMBERS OF A HUMAN TRIBE PROTECTING ONE ANOTHER AND CARING FOR EACH OTHER, BUT QUICKLY GOING TO WAR WITH A COMPETING TRIBE, BROTHER!


AS FOR OBJECTIVE MORALITY, YOU CAN'T GET THAT FROM GOD, BROTHER! THE ONLY THING YOU CAN GET THERE IS AUTHORITARIAN ETHICS, DUDE! WHY IS RIGHT RIGHT AND WRONG WRONG? BECAUSE GOD SAID SO! HOW DO WE KNOW GOD IS CORRECT? YOU CAN'T QUESTION IT, GENE! THAT'S NOT OBJECTIVITY, THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE MODEL, BROTHER!

Hogan u were a horrible wrestler but I thank you for saving WCW in the late 90's

Its not merely a question of God telling us whats right or whats wrong.

And I see that you're referencing the euthyphro dilemma in your post.. which is a false dilemma

Assuming the God Im speaking of is the one of the Christian faith(the personal, uncaused, immaterial etc.) this God creates creation for him and all things made have been made by him and for him.

Meaning..he is the foundation for all morality..which gives an objective morality for us being that we are made in his image
And you make the question "what if what God tells us to do is wrong"?
WHen you ask that question you assume that there is a law that is above the first cause known as God..which would mean he isnt reall God(the first cause)

Now to what you say about the tribes..realize im not saying thats not how things work in the atheistic view, but rather Im saying there is no moral obligation to live that way. In fact the whole moral dimension of actions such as that does not exist in the naturalistic worldview

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

His whole argument has to fall into the realm of divine morality. Its the only way his argument can be valid. He just doesn't want to admit it because he doesn't want to seem biased and easily dismissed.

Wrong. My argument is that absolute morality exists. Period. My argument is valid by virtue of everyone on this planet having to use it in order to make moral judgments whether they want to admit it or not.

He ignored relevant questions I asked and skimmed by my points. The reason? His agenda is to exalt religious nonsense disguised as something else.

You thought your questions were relevant, but they had NOTHING to do with the question I asked. You keep bringing up killing, but killing may or may not be a moral issue.

Here, let me ask it again: When is it appropriate to rape a baby?

Sometimes? Never? Maybe in the future?

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[Berniewood Hogan]

Meaning..he is the foundation for all morality..which gives an objective morality

THIS IS STILL SUBJECTIVE BASED ON GOD'S PREFERENCES, BROTHER! AND AN ADHERENCE TO THAT SUBJECT IS AN AUTHORITARIAN SYSTEM, DUDE! CORRECT THE CHAMP IF HE'S WRONG, BUT YOU SEEM TO BE SAYING THAT GOD IS RIGHT BECAUSE OF GOD'S POWER, MEAN GENE! MIGHT MAKES RIGHT! AUTHORITARIANISM, NOT OBJECTIVITY, DUDE!

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

My argument is valid by virtue of everyone on this planet having to use it in order to make moral judgments whether they want to admit it or not.

THE HINDUS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT BEEF! THE MUSLIMS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT PORK! THE CHRISTIANS ENJOY EATING BOTH!

WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVELY MORAL STANCE ON CONSUMING THESE FARMYARD ANIMALS, BROTHER?

 

[blackslash]

THIS IS STILL SUBJECTIVE BASED ON GOD'S PREFERENCES, BROTHER! AND AN ADHERENCE TO THAT SUBJECT IS AN AUTHORITARIAN SYSTEM, DUDE! CORRECT THE CHAMP IF HE'S WRONG, BUT YOU SEEM TO BE SAYING THAT GOD IS RIGHT BECAUSE OF GOD'S POWER, MEAN GENE! MIGHT MAKES RIGHT! AUTHORITARIANISM, NOT OBJECTIVITY, DUDE!

Thats not might makes right

Because the very foundation of creation is God so it is based on his character we get our objective morality because we are made in his image.

Again you're making God out to not be the first cause..

God's not right because of his power but rather God cant be wrong because the very basis of right and wrong is Him.

He's the very foundation of it.

And I want you to think back to the DOI when it comes to the whole "worth" issue

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

 

[thevarangian]

I'm not gonna try to pretend I'm a complete moral person. Most definitely that's not the case. However what's the alternative? Believe in god just so I can have a moral compass? That's now really believing then, that's just admitting I'm not a strong enough person to decide my own morals and instead will let others think for me. You shouldn't be fukking with religion unless you true and proper believe, not just because you think the morality code is cool. If that's the only reason than why do you need religion in the first place?

 

[krackdagawd]

THE HINDUS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT BEEF! THE MUSLIMS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT PORK! THE CHRISTIANS ENJOY EATING BOTH!

WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVELY MORAL STANCE ON CONSUMING THESE FARMYARD ANIMALS, BROTHER?

GOAT alias

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

so it is based on his character

HIS CHARACTER, BROTHER! MEANING HE IS THE SUBJECT, DUDE! MEANING THIS CANNOT BE AN OBJECTIVE ETHICAL SYSTEM, CHAMP!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

I'M NOT SURE WHAT SLAVE-OWNING MISOGYNIST RACISTS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS, BROTHER!

 

[thevarangian]

GOAT alias

better than the actual Hogan

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

better than the actual Hogan

I FEEL STRONG ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG, BROTHER!