Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

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HIS CHARACTER, BROTHER! MEANING HE IS THE SUBJECT, DUDE! MEANING THIS CANNOT BE AN OBJECTIVE ETHICAL SYSTEM, CHAMP!


I'M NOT SURE WHAT SLAVE-OWNING MISOGYNIST RACISTS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS, BROTHER!

Yes morality is based on the first cause but the morality is objective because it pertains to all men and it is a concrete morality..one that transcends us and because of that is one that is objective. You seem to be misunderstanding me.

When I say "Objective morality" Im talkin bout in the sense of creation

Yes the creator is the foundation of this objective morality but the morality is objective in terms of creation

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Yes morality is based on the first cause but the morality is objective because it pertains to all men and it is a concrete morality.

NONE OF THESE THREE CONCLUSIONS FOLLOW FROM YOUR PREMISE, BROTHER!

1. A COSMIC FIRST CAUSE ISN'T AUTOMATICALLY THE SOURCE OF MORALITY, BROTHER! IF ZEUS WERE THE CREATOR, HE WOULD PERMIT HUMANS THEIR OWN MORAL SYSTEMS AT TIMES, AND AT OTHER TIMES WOULD ACT AS AN AUTHORITARIAN!

2. EVEN IF A CREATOR ESPOUSED AN ETHOS, IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY PERTAIN TO ANYONE UNLESS YOU'RE PROMOTING AUTHORITARIANISM AGAIN, DUDE!

3. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN GOD, IT'S HARD TO CALL HIS MORALITY CONCRETE, MEAN GENE! "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. NOW GO WIPE OUT THESE CANAANITES, BROTHERS! AND SPRAY PAINT NWO ON THEM!" TO CALL THAT CONCRETE IS TO ONCE AGAIN APPEAL TO AUTHORITARIANISM, BROTHER!

 

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NONE OF THESE THREE CONCLUSIONS FOLLOW FROM YOUR PREMISE, BROTHER!

1. A COSMIC FIRST CAUSE ISN'T AUTOMATICALLY THE SOURCE OF MORALITY, BROTHER! IF ZEUS WERE THE CREATOR, HE WOULD PERMIT HUMANS THEIR OWN MORAL SYSTEMS AT TIMES, AND AT OTHER TIMES WOULD ACT AS AN AUTHORITARIAN!

2. EVEN IF A CREATOR ESPOUSED AN ETHOS, IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY PERTAIN TO ANYONE UNLESS YOU'RE PROMOTING AUTHORITARIANISM AGAIN, DUDE!

3. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN GOD, IT'S HARD TO CALL HIS MORALITY CONCRETE, MEAN GENE! "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. NOW GO WIPE OUT THESE CANAANITES, BROTHERS! AND SPRAY PAINT NWO ON THEM!" TO CALL THAT CONCRETE IS TO ONCE AGAIN APPEAL TO AUTHORITARIANISM, BROTHER!

1.That would be a valid point if I didnt give you the fact about men being created in the image of God..so objective morality which is transcedent of us, becomes truth. You keep bringing relativity into the equation as if Im trying to argue about how God is like.

No rather, Im trying to argue that objective morality comes from a creator who bestows upon us our worth and with that our morality based on the character of the creator.

And to your last point..Im not arguing bout that..murder is to unlawfully kill someone
kill doesnt equal murder

But like I said Im not arguing that..get back to the discussion I want you to address my actual question and point lemme re quote
"On the atheistic view, certain actions such as incest and rape may not be biologically and socially advantageous...so in the course of human development they've become taboo. But that does absolutely nothing to prove that rape or incest is wrong..cuz after all, that kind of behavior goes on all the time in the animal kingdom.

If the moral principles that govern our behavior are rooted in habit, custom, feeling and fashion, then the rapist that goes against the herd morality is doing nothing more serious than acting unfashionably. "

Am I wrong in saying this?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

the fact about men being created in the image of God

THIS IS A CLAIM, NOT A FACT, BROTHER!

You keep bringing relativity into the equation as if Im trying to argue about how God is like.

YOU'VE SELECTED A SPECIFIC GOD, SO YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT HOW GOD IS LIKE, DUDE!

No rather, Im trying to argue that objective morality comes from a creator who bestows upon us our worth and with that our morality based on the character of the creator.

THIS IS WHY IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND NOT OBJECTIVE, BROTHER! AN OBJECTIVE MORALITY WOULD BE INDEPENDENT OF THE CHARACTER OF ANY INDIVIDUAL, INCLUDING THE CREATOR DEITY, DUDE!

And to your last point..Im not arguing bout that..murder is to unlawfully kill someone
kill doesnt equal murder

"IT'S WRONG UNLESS GOD COMMANDS IT!"

THIS IS AUTHORITARIANISM AT ITS MOST OBVIOUS, MEAN GENE!

"On the atheistic view, certain actions such as incest and rape may not be biologically and socially advantageous...so in the course of human development they've become taboo.

AN ATHEISTIC VIEW COULD ALSO FIND THESE THINGS TABOO BASED ON DEONTOLOGY, UTILITARIANISM, EGOISM, SITUATIONALISM, INTELLECTUALISM, WELFARISM, PRAGMATISM, OR VIRTUISM, BROTHER! YOU HAVE INCORRECTLY ASSUMED ATHEISM NECESSITATES AN ETHOS BASED PURELY ON SOCIAL DARWINISM, DUDE! IT DEMONSTRABLY DOES NOT!

But that does absolutely nothing to prove that rape or incest is wrong..cuz after all, that kind of behavior goes on all the time in the animal kingdom.

YOU ARE MAKING AN IS INTO AN OUGHT, BROTHER! A DESCRIPTION OF THE NATURAL WORLD DOES NOT PROVIDE A PRESCRIPTION FOR MORALS, NECESSARILY!

If the moral principles that govern our behavior are rooted in habit, custom, feeling and fashion, then the rapist that goes against the herd morality is doing nothing more serious than acting unfashionably. "

YOU'RE CONFLATING NATURE WITH FASHION NOW, CHAMP! A SOCIAL ANIMAL LIKE HOMO SAPIENS SURVIVES THROUGH ACCORD! FORCIBLE RAPE PRODUCES DISCORD, NOT MERE DISDAIN, BROTHER!

Am I wrong in saying this?

YES I BELIEVE I'VE SHOWN YOU THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER NOW, DUDE!

 

[Type Username Here]

Now, you're not differentiating between absolute morality (ought), relative morality (culture), and fact (is).
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Wow. I just showed you how absolute morality does not exist. For absolute morality to exist, there has to be a Divine Presence to issue it. Morality from divinity has MANY issues, and this school of thought has already been absolutely destroyed by Plato/Socrates. Over 2000+ years ago by the way.

Wrong. My argument is that absolute morality exists. Period. My argument is valid by virtue of everyone on this planet having to use it in order to make moral judgments whether they want to admit it or not.

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Who do you get your absolute morality from? If it exists outside of your existence, who provided it to you?

Here, let me ask it again: When is it appropriate to rape a baby?

Sometimes? Never? Maybe in the future?

To me? Never.

To others? I don't know, it's a subjective thing.

How do I know they don't find it morally right to rape a child in some alien planet?

I'll ask you this question:

Will the Earth stop orbiting the sun if a baby is raped? Will 1+1 cease being equal to 2? Will general relativity suddenly been wrong? Will a galaxy become sad? Will electron orbit clouds disappear?

Can you stop dodging and answer the questions above.

Will a child being raped have ANY significance to the universe outside of human consciousness and society?​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

THE HINDUS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT BEEF! THE MUSLIMS SAY IT IS IMMORAL TO EAT PORK! THE CHRISTIANS ENJOY EATING BOTH!

WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVELY MORAL STANCE ON CONSUMING THESE FARMYARD ANIMALS, BROTHER?

Eating animals is 'good' because it is necessary for good health in humans.

What animals are consumed (or not) is a cultural distinction, not a moral one, unless you're a vegan.​

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

What animals are consumed (or not) is a cultural distinction, not a moral one, unless you're a vegan.​

TELL THAT TO THE HINDUS AND MUSLIMS, BROTHER! THEY SAY IT IS MORALLY WRONG TO EAT THOSE ANIMALS! SO WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE VIEW, DUDE? YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD AT DODGING QUESTIONS, MEAN GENE!

AND WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE MORAL STANCE ON VEGANISM, BROTHER?

 

[Type Username Here]

Someone make a :dodge: smiley for use in this thread.

 

[marcuz]

atheist aren't the ones killing people in the name of religion


if you need a book to tell you right from wrong, you're waste of flesh.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Wow. I just showed you how absolute morality does not exist. For absolute morality to exist, there has to be a Divine Presence to issue it. Morality from divinity has MANY issues, and this school of thought has already been absolutely destroyed by Plato/Socrates. Over 2000+ years ago by the way.

There doesn't have to be any 'Divine Presence' for absolute morality to exist. It exists out of necessity since everything is relative to an absolute.

Who do you get your absolute morality from? If it exists outside of your existence, who provided it to you?

I have no idea, but trying to figure it out is intriguing.

To me? Never.

This is a moral absolute that brooks no argument from me and renders your first sentence invalid since you can't use something that doesn't exist.

To others? I don't know, it's a subjective thing.

All morals are subject to absolutes, though.

How do I know they don't find it morally right to rape a child in some alien planet?

Would that make it 'right' for YOU to do it or anyone else on THIS planet?

I'll ask you this question:

Will the Earth stop orbiting the sun if a baby is raped? Will 1+1 cease being equal to 2? Will general relativity suddenly been wrong? Will a galaxy become sad? Will electron orbit clouds disappear?

Can you stop dodging and answer the questions above.

None of those questions have anything to do with morality.

Will a child being raped have ANY significance to the universe outside of human consciousness and society?

The Universe? No. Us? Yes.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

TELL THAT TO THE HINDUS AND MUSLIMS, BROTHER! THEY SAY IT IS MORALLY WRONG TO EAT THOSE ANIMALS! SO WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE VIEW, DUDE? YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD AT DODGING QUESTIONS, MEAN GENE!

Yet they DO eat other animals, which is what I stated in answer to your question. I haven't dodged anything. You musta got slammed a bit too many times on your head.

AND WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE MORAL STANCE ON VEGANISM, BROTHER?

Ask a vegan. I'm enjoying a steak.....AND STOP FUKKING YELLING!!!!!​

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Religion has nothing to do with absolute morality. If it did, then you wouldn't possess it.....yet, you do.

Shut your trollin' azz up.​

Breh you're da only one up in hea making it flagrantly obvious dat you dwell underneath a bridge. You aint foolin nobody wit dis bullshyt. You're just merely being humored at dis point. FOH bytch nikka.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

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[OG_StankBrefs]

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lol nikka dese sorry ass attempts at trynna mirror your own image perception onto me is not gonna work breh.

Ya gotta come at me wit somethin a lil less transparent jabroni. nikkas know what time it is witchu cuh.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

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